Our Captain Stays…So Lets Get Behind Him!!

Lets face it, no matter what our thoughts were about Cesc throughout this whole saga-whether they were good or bad, there’s not one Arsenal fan I don’t know who isn’t relieved to hear Cesc is staying..

He’s one of the worlds best players, he’s only just entering his prime years and he’s our captain.. Arsenal need to keep their best players not sell them and we’ve managed to do it. Cesc is a valuable part of our future and even with the pull of Barca hes remained an Arsenal player. It’s a victory in its own right..

His statement wasnt exactly music to my ears but at least it was very honest and he just told us what we all know already. A lot of us may be still mad with Cesc for whats happened over the summer, but he wears the Arsenal shirt once again this season and if we want to challenge for the title we need our captain to perform, an unhappy Cesc is no good to our chances so we have to support him..

Wenger proved this summer he had Barca by the balls and it looks like that wont change until either;

A… Barca offer a ridiculous amount (which they wont because they are skint)  


B… if the Arsenal fans turn against him making him request a transfer and force Wenger’s hand..

If we are all honest none of us want Cesc to leave, so lets show him..He says he respects the Arsenal fans. He respects us because we adore him, lets not change that. Don’t let the media get into your minds, they will now use this to try destabilise us and turn us against him, but we can’t let that happen..

Cesc may even want to stay if we start to win some trophies and lets face facts, if we want to win something we need Cesc..


144 Responses to Our Captain Stays…So Lets Get Behind Him!!

  1. forza forza says:

    it would of been best if wenger let him go this summer,he will only stay for one more year,even with him in the team we won’t win nothing.

  2. oliver says:

    good post jj. he is here for now, so let us just see how this shakes out. i think just about all of us are disappointed with some aspects of that statement, but it is what it is – a response to arsene’s call for cesc “clarify”. he has committed for this season only, so let’s now focus on the actual season and worry about the off-season when it happens.

  3. Kim says:

    I think he should go fuck himself and get the fuck out of here! he does not want to be here, so he should not, bad omen for the rest of the team …. let the jerk go!

  4. JonJon says:

    thats exactely the attitude that will force him out kim

    hey oliver..cheers

  5. oliver says:

    hiya jj. what do you think? a rather underwhelming end to a frustrating summer? at least he did not try and pretend he wants to be here long term. this allows us to at least move on for new and concentrate on the season – i am with arsene on this one – i do not think cesc will be a problem, i think he will be able to put everything to the side and worry about barca after this season.

  6. JonJon says:

    to be honest oliver i was a little worried….i thought he wanted to go..but im pleased hes stayed..i think arsenes made it clear that until barca can afford him they cant have him

    i think he would like a move next summer but if barca are still 450mil in debt i dont think it will hapen then either..

    it all depends on barcas financial situation whether a deal will happen and that looks like never

  7. forza forza says:

    JonJon says:
    August 7, 2010 at 1:25 am
    thats exactely the attitude that will force him out kim.

    he already wants out tho,next season he will be gone for sure.

  8. oliver says:

    i agree, jj. i am sure that barcelona will come in for him again, and cesc may well want to transfer. whatever happens, i want it to be on terms acceptable to arsenal fc. i think we stood up for ourselves well this summer so hopefully fc barcelona – and any other “big” club for that matter – got the message that we won’t sell our most prized assets just because someone is batting eyelids at them. i’ll worry about that in may. for now, it is on to august 15th at anfield.

  9. Dave says:

    Hey Kim…why don’t you fuck off outta here fabregas is a lot more important than your fickle support

  10. jack says:

    I don’t feel as though we owe him anything,Arsene wont be around for another season after this one so it doesn’t matter to him weather Fabregas leaves or not next season anyway, perhaps they will both end up in Barcelona together.

  11. jp says:

    Adebayor was run out of town for much less. Seems so hypocritical to have him as captain and welcome him back

  12. RvP says:

    He has 5 years left on his contract and if he puts in another good season again, his valuation will skyrocket (which is all the more reason why we need trophies this year). If he wins silverware, his value will skyrocket beyond the means of Farcelona, who are near bankrupt anyway.
    Cheer him on this year, it won’t necessarily be his last 😀

  13. ArsenalFC says:

    good vid about the arsenal

  14. Law says:

    I used to love the guy but now….? I want TV5 as our Captain for this season and the next, cause he’s more, much more passionate than the other guy.

  15. 7masters says:

    I think we should try to understand why he want to leave? Just look at what going on With Arsenal football wise, Time and time again we are getting weaker with players sold and never replaced.

    Right we need one more striker, CB, Goalie, DM and the list go on and on. Yet with all these going on at end of every season Wenger come out and promises to sort out defensive problem. Yet we are now almost few three weeks away for transfer window to shut guess what nothing.

    It almost impossible for Arsenal to sign any player in short notice, So guys it over we are goner drop more points and for first time drop out of top four. The good news is Wenger would be fired at the end of it.

    I hate these man so much that I am seriously thinking of jumping ship to support another team. At least all these waiting for them to do something would disappear. But I am hoping we blow very early and he sent packing back screaming to France. Au Revoir senile old man.

    I fully understand why Cesc saw no future or hope with Arsenal. It simple and it their for all to see. Cheers

  16. blaze gooner says:

    I dont like Fabregas, but i will get behind him as long as he’s wearing an Arsenal jersey. And I know he is important to the team. Just hope that he can really do what he’s promised: concentrate + give 100% to Arsenal

  17. goonerbegood says:

    for me personally,i think CESC,is playing a game that only him will live to regret.
    there is only so much a man can take when pushed against the wall.a lot of people are happy likewise myself but am not sure anymore how i feel about the whole cesc issue.
    cesc statement wasn’t the best of statements ,it is like he was forced to stay but i have one message for cesc…
    True we have not won a trophy,cos wenger instead of buying ready made palyers ,he stuck with you and your fellows ..personally i wish wenger will stop signing spanish players ,they will never be loyal or trust worhty.i have lost my respect for cesc and his camp,even though my thoughts don’t matter but it is what it is.
    saying who wouldn’t want to join barca,..that is the most pathetic statement i have ever read,..
    adebayor,flamini,hleb,etc,,,,now cesc …
    wenger when will all these stop,we have been ridiculed,ys we have now some rubbish statment of his half pint commitment.
    forgive me gooners ,but i will never respect cesc or feel the same like before…and I HOPE HE GOES.
    You can fool everyone cesc but not me.i used to have a cesc jersey but it is already burnt.IT IS EITHER YOU ARE A GOONER OR YOU ARE NOT.NO MAYBE’S.

  18. Pat7 says:

    Hi JJ,

    Good post. Where have you & Rico been for the last few days? Missed you 🙂

    Yes, we’ve got to get behind Cesc now he’s been let down by his ‘compatriots’. He just loves football so will do his best for us as he said.

    Yes, he would rather be back in Spain & who could really blame him. Here, AW has let him down by not bringing in the quality/passion/commitment that we need to push on & WIN major honours. IMHO he has been extremely patient awaiting these recruits but has been so dejected by the game when he broke his leg yet others were just ‘collecting their paycheck’.

    In the circumstances all we can do is back him in his dilemma & continue barracking AW to give him the support & defense (GK especially included) that he deserves & we all know has been needed for a few seasons now!

  19. Ruelando says:

    Cesc is a great player, no question about that, he is staying for another year or probably more, good for arsenal, but what is not good for arsenal is if we retain him as captain he does not deserve such a honour and we will be sending the wrong message to Cesc and the other players, we will make better players than him and Arsenal will still be here after he is long gone
    I had already formed a new team without Cesc and i am sure many others have done so to.
    Right now the emphasis should be on finding a defender or two and that is getting much harder with everyone starting to get cup tied

  20. 7masters says:

    Pat7@ cool

    Well done for pointing the obvious? What has Wenger done to convince him to stay? nothing

    In fact it become so boring now and all agents know Wenger would never sign any player full stop. Questions what player apart from Fabregas has come through? None

    Wenger is clutching on thin ground as time goes to new season. I am afraid I have nothing to defend him or greedy club who are busy flinching supporters.

  21. naail says:

    good article.
    1.the team is built around cesc, so obviously, him leaving wud have been terrible, in the sense that we wud have lost the focal point of our team.
    2.we now know how bad he wants to leave. now wenger will prepare the team for the a future without cesc.
    3.fabregas is worth a minimum of 50 mil. so y shud we sell for any less? we’ll sell when the price is met.
    4.cesc is not to be blamed. he has solid reasons for wanting to leave. he has been reasonable in the sense that he did not force a transfer request. he’s still very respectful of arsenal, wenger and the fans.
    so, let’s just hope cesc brings his best, hope that we buy that fucking goalkeeper and CB that we need so desperately.

  22. Erick says:

    I was emotional about the situation but as JJ says am getting behind Cesc support him guys even though it might be hard for some Come on Arsenal

  23. daz says:

    7 Masters what other team would you support.

    Once upon a time Arsenal Fans loved Arsenal…..

    I still do.

  24. agirlagunner says:

    Hola! Good one, JJ. I read Cesc’s (Yay, I can refer to him by name again! No more “YKW”!) full statement, and almost took offense at his reference to “their decision”, almost as if to say, “If left up to me, I would be in Camp Nou.”, but realized that we shouldn’t cavil over trifles, because he is, after all, staying.

    All’s well that ends well, methinks. At least until the next transfer window… Meantime, I’ll enjoy seeing OUR captain in our fab new kits. Barcelona who? 😉

    Hey, oliver, Erick! Been a while. Hope you’re both well. 🙂

  25. AFC says:

    “I’m seriously considering jumping ship to support another team.” What a truly legendary comment!
    A lot of you need to go back to school and learn to write English properly. You’re a disgrace to Arsenal and English people.

  26. Bala says:

    Your comments about the media are right mate.Daily star is already reporting “CESC-I was forced to stay” and he is not happy.

  27. freddie8 says:

    Morning all!

    Its quite obvious from the statement that cesc doesn’t want to stay. There really is no point having a captain who doesn’t want to be at a club.

    Don’t say we need him. Nobody is bigger than the club. We won trophies before him, none with him, but we’ll win without him.

    A team is made of 11 players. Not 1.

    Just go cesc. You’ve done well for us. We stuck with you before you became a star, but if this is how you see fit to repay us…

  28. Mustang says:

    Morning all….

  29. Mustang says:

    Not happy….

  30. JonJon says:

    morning guys..

  31. Mustang says:

    Cesc is not bigger than the club, we are THE ARSENAL for f**k sake!!! Never used that sort of language on here before, that how p***d off i am with the whole saga. So now Cesc is doing us a favour? Give me a break!

  32. JonJon says:


    i understand your pointbut wheres he going to go…barca are skint and even admtted they offered no more then 30mil for him.barca are the only team we are going to lose him to but to lose him for 30mil would be criminal..

    id rather keep him, support him and see where it goes..

    he wants the transfer, the same as ronaldo wanted his transfer, but fergie made him stay and got full whack in the end..im afraid barca will have to do the same because 30mil is an insult for a player of cescs calibre

  33. JonJon says:

    hi mustang..

    i dont think anyone is happy..my opinion of him has changed a lot..

    but turning against him is not beneficial to arsenal..

  34. Mustang says:

    Long time JJ

    thing is this geezer was given a whopping pay rise, back dated for 2 years and on a long term contract no one forced him to sign. And now every player would like to play for Barcelona after he has pocketed to money. He is Socio, his grand father is a member, blah, blah, blah…
    He has shown us no respect and no loyalty.

    I will continue to support any player that puts on the shirt but man, Cesc irks me right now!

  35. Danny says:

    What a bunch of miserable muppets!!!

    Yes Cesc Fabregas our Catalan Captain wanted to leave our great club for Barcelona.

    Barcelona who are widely regarded as currently the best team on the planet in both footballing terms and the likelihood to win games. To play with the friends he grew up with. Who over the last few years have decorated their trophy cabinets with the medals all footballers dream of (forget medals actually, let’s go with occassions). To play for the club he supported as a boy. To play for the club his father supported as a boy. To live and perform on the highest stage in the surroundings of his beautiful home town. To live and work amongst the family he left behind to become the player he is.

    Hardly a f#ckin criminal now is he.

    He’s a Gooner and no matter what should always be loved here!

  36. Well least he’s got respect for the club and hasnt handed in a transfer request.

  37. have avenell turned in to a weekend blog then.

  38. what do you think of the renia bid?

  39. Bendtnersdad says:

    It’s a catch 22. I’ve never wanted players at our club that didn’t want to be there but at the same time we need him to keep alive our very slim hopes of winning something. His statement is ominous but then again Gerrard was a hairs breadth from leaving the scousers but changed his mind. Only Wenger investing in a new keeper and center half that are fit for purpose and then winning something will perhaps change Cesc’s mind.

  40. JonJon says:

    hi rsd..

    AR is anytime but just less frequent than before..its a bit like wrightys site where the posts are spontaniuos and theres no set system..

    evenings and weekends will be when the posts appear..im not about through the day so ricos way of posting will have to be abandoned…

  41. JonJon says:

    we know what hes done mustang and it takes the piss but we either sell him for peanuts or we keep him..

    wengers kept him, we have to support him if we force him out we are only doing what barca want us to..

    i would have prefered to sell cesc after whats happened but not for 30mil..no fucking way..

  42. JonJon says:

    reina a good keeper..one of the best..

    24mil is too much but if we had it spare and reina agreed to come id have no problem with it

    thing is, wenger would never do it..

  43. avenell says:

    Morning JJ.. good post mate..

    I have had another post sent in for a bit later on, that is topical too.. I’ll stick up in the afternoon..

    have you seen this??


  44. JonJon says:

    nice one ave..

    blimey shes more of a winner than he is 😉

  45. Kipmonster says:

    I propose that Arsenal fans World wide post letters once a week for the next four weeks to UEFA & FIFA complaining about Barcelona FC’s ‘tapping up’ of Cesc Fabregas. Also post a letter just once to Arsenal FC requesting that they formally complain to UEFA & FIFA. I have drawn up 3 template letters that I will email to willing participants. All you need to do is type in your own Name & Address before printing off & posting. Momentum will be boosted by you forwarding the email to every one of your Arsenal FC fan family & friends, encouraging them to participate.
    Please see …. http://www.goonerettesonline.co.uk/452/other/an-overview-of-the-cesc-saga-time-for-the-fans-to-bite-back/#more-452
    The aim of repetitive letters is to create an Admin headache for UEFA & FIFA with thousands of letters received from all over the world & display the strength of feeling from Arsenal FC fans. The purpose of the single letter to Arsenal FC is again to display the strength of feeling from us fans.
    My email address for this campaign from where I will email you the letter templates is …….. ArsenalFansHateBarcelonaFC@gmail.com

  46. avenell says:

    It would be funny if we was to get Reina.. he was the one who intoduced Cesc as the new Barca player..

    Perhaps he is the bait to keep Cesc happy..
    Because the story must be true..

  47. Erick says:

    Howdy folks anyone about Agag am fine its been a while

  48. Erick says:

    Ave body building ha ha ha ha thats funny 🙂

  49. JonJon says:

    hey erick..nice to see u again mate..

    kipmonster, dude its over forget about that..

  50. Erick says:

    Am good JJ just counting the trophies we are going to win this season we have a chance this may be it

  51. JonJon says:

    i still dont think we are good enough erick..

    i think the trophies are out of reach this season..

    same keepers as last year, no depth in central defence and no box to box mid..

    frimpong should be given his chance after a good pre season, he looks promising

    we still need a gk and a defender though for definate but so far nothings happening..

    this cesc thing is over but rebuilding the squad should be still top of the clubs priorities

  52. arsenalscout says:

    There are some unrealistic, even borderline moronic, supporters at Arsenal. We have more box to box midfielders than any team in the world. What we don’t have are defensive sitters and/or cloggers. We want to out football Barca not out clog Inter. We are still young and learning to keep shape when defending is the last skill to learn. Keep watching moaners-all will be revealed!

  53. EvoInOz says:

    gday all,

    read some horse manure bollocks about us trying to sign Pepe Reina, surely that is as it say it is, absolute rubbish.

    Id take Almunia every day over Reina, he is dogs bollocks multiplied by 10 and then some!

  54. Evo in Oz says:

    what else is news, every1 looking forward to the poland game tonight, should be a good one in the goal keepers areas with both poles getting a run?!

  55. Red Arse says:

    Hi Guys,

    Anyone about?

    Anyone coming out to play? 🙂

  56. Breezy says:

    I agree with JJ now that Cesc is here we should get behind him, no matter how we feel. I have always said that he should not be captain after the summer saga, but Wenger and players are happy to keep him on so I guess thats the end of it.

  57. Red Arse says:

    Oi Erick, Agag, Wath, Rose, Oliver, KT, JJ, et al,

    Where the sod are you all? 🙂

  58. oliver says:

    hi all. hi ra. i am now here.

  59. Red Arse says:


    I agree. If the captain’s armband was taken off Cesc it could make a delicate situation worse. It would be seen as a humiliation. Not good man management!

  60. Breezy says:

    @RA, yep I think that goes back to JJ’s point that we should’nt do anything that would make a bad situation worse, and taking away the armband could do just thata, we can’t expect everyone to take losing the armband as well as Gallas did!!!!

  61. Red Arse says:

    Hi Oliver,

    You keeping well?

    I’m looking forward to the afternoon’s game in poland, especially as both Flappy and Chesney are likely to play. Good comparison between them.

    In addition, there is Champion’s League football, test cricket and especially the triple header Baseball on ESPN. Go Yankees! 🙂

  62. Red Arse says:


    I think taking the armband off Willie must have had some effect on his decision to leave.

  63. oliver says:

    alright, thanks. yanks and sox this weekend, always a big one. boston has to try and haul themselves back in this – they won last night, but need to win at least two this weekend. goes from bad to worse for the mets – another late lead blown, another ugly loss. they are now under .500 (54-55 on the season) for the first time since may. continuing on their descent down the long slope they have been on the past month.

  64. Red Arse says:


    I was trying to be diplomatic! 🙂

    The difference between success and failure in all sports is often infinitesimal. I think the Mets have a psychological hang up and where things can go wrong — they do. Can’t quite put my finger on it.

  65. Red Arse says:


    Switching from the Yankees and the mets, I saw a great game the other day, the twins at the rays. Terrific performance by Tampa.

  66. oliver says:

    ra, mets still have not recovered from adam wainwright’s 0-2 curveball to carlos beltran in game seven of the 2006 national league championship series. that pitch ended their season, where a hit would probably have put them in the world series – a series they would have had a good chance of winning. several core players were on the field that day and the franchise itself has still not recovered.

    they are definitely playing with a defeatist “here we go again” outlook right now – most are trying too hard and making bad decisions in the field and at the plate. by the time the team snaps out of it and starts winning again, it will be too late and they will be out of contention. jerry will take the fall and be sacked at the end of the season, but nothing will change as long as the wilpons own the team.

    perhaps it is odd how i can be so optimistic about the arsenal, yet so doom and gloom about my hometown baseball team, but it is there for all to see.

  67. oliver says:

    ra, tb is an excellent young team. they have great pitching, exciting young players. they are really giving the yanks a run in the al east – most thought it would be the yanks and boston this year, but the sox have really fallen away. tampa has a team that can win the world series this year – not saying that will happen, they still have to get through the yanks, but they have the players to win.

  68. Red Arse says:

    Good summing up Oliver.

    As I say, so much of sport is in the mind, and the Mets seem to expect things to go wrong, when it is not necessarily the case.

  69. JonJon says:

    afternoon all

  70. Red Arse says:

    Anyway, back to Arsenal, you probably read the comments above about Arsenal are trying to buy Reina for £25m.

    That is such rubbish. Wenger would never pay that sort of money for anyone! But in fact, this story was running several weeks ago and then died the death.

    We can’t even get rotten Fulham to sell us Schwarzer. 😦

  71. Red Arse says:

    Hi JJ,

    How’s tricks?

  72. JonJon says:

    hi RA

    not too bad,just wanting the proper football to start

  73. Red Arse says:

    Me too JJ. I was saying to Oliver how much sport is on today, but in case I look a plonker I meant “Championship” not Champions League.

    Slip of the brain. 🙂

  74. JonJon says:

    the reina thing wont happen..

    no point even mentioning it..24mil for a keeper?? no chance not with wenger carrying the chequebook

  75. oliver says:

    hiya jj. ra, when they are pitching, hitting and fielding, they play well and generally win. but when things grown wrong, it mushrooms on them, as you imply. jerry is hugely unpopular with most mets fans, i have no problem with him – he is a good guy in a difficult spot (kept around to deflect criticism from the wilpons and eventually take the fall for this season). he make plenty of head-scratching decisions from the dugout, but no manager is infallible. jerry is also a bit like arsene in that he protects the players, sometimes too much. sometimes players deserve to be thrown under the bus – david wright deserved it for going 0-16 from the cleanup spot in atlanta earlier this week, parnell and feliciano deserved it for allowing the first seven philadelphia hitters to reach base in the eighth inning while trying to protect a 2-1 lead. jerry will be gone at the end of the season, omar will stay on and jeff wilpon will make all the decisions – in other words nothing will change.

  76. JonJon says:

    there is quite a bit on..

    i do my football coupon on the lower leagues so i dont mind them..

    cricket rugby

    and jeff stellings back.. 😉

  77. Breezy says:

    I leave this site for 2 minutes (ok half an hour … stop being petty)and it turns into a baseball blog … sigh.

  78. JonJon says:

    hey oliver..

    i know nothing of baseball..all i know is you hit a ball with a bat and then run around a funny shaped thing to score a whatsit..

  79. JonJon says:

    hi breezy

    wheres our new GK and CB??

  80. Red Arse says:

    Totally agree, JJ.

    JJ, I read your 10:02 about AR only being an evening and weekend deal now.

    As an addict of the site, with you and Rico in particular, that is a big disappointment.

    I have been posting on a couple of other sites in your absence.

    Where is our mate the lovely Rico, we all miss the site and her posts? Is all well?

  81. oliver says:

    sorry breezy – it seems i just cannot help myself.

    jj, i grew up as a baseball fan, a big mets fan growing up in the bronx (yankee territory). other than arsenal, who i developed an affinity for while living in peterboro in the mid-90s, i support new york teams: giants football, knicks basketball, rangers hockey and of course mets baseball. i’ll always be a new yorker, no matter where i currently reside.

  82. Red Arse says:


    When it’s quiet, Oliver and I, who are Arsenal addicts, sometimes chat about baseball. But the gunners come first when others are on the site. Sorry. 🙂

  83. oliver says:

    yeah, my bad on all the baseball. legia warsaw coming up a bit later. last chance for some to stake a claim for the first team squad.

  84. Red Arse says:


    perhaps your sentiment about throwing players under the bus could be imported to the UK.

    I can think of some candidates! 🙂

  85. oliver says:

    ra, i think it is necessary sometimes. i think arsene – just like jerry manuel – lets players get too comfortable. i am not a denilson hater – not a huge fan, but not a hater either – but he should have been thrown under the bus for the 1-3 versus man united. just an example, but i think are several instances where arsenal players could have been called out for mistakes. i am not saying arsene should make this a habit – he will run the risk of losing the players – but i believe there are instances where public accountability has it’s benefits. specifically where contstant support and encouragement fail to alter a negative pattern of play or behaviour.

  86. JonJon says:


    it is an unfortunate situation..rico has decided she needs a break..whether it be long term or not the early morning posts cant continue without her.

    im always about at night or at weekends but i dont blog through the day, Avenell is the same, therefore the posts will be later in the day.

    hopefully its just a short term thing and rico returns to do the morning slot, as you say she is missed..

  87. oliver says:

    i am sure you already know this, but here in the us we use “throwing someone under the bus” as a euphamism for calling someone out. or, in more sinister cases, pinning entire blame on someone.

  88. Red Arse says:

    Totally agree Oliver.

    If nothing else, Arsene will let us fans know he is not happy with blatant sloppiness anymore than we are if he were to publicly blast players occasionally.

    That Denilson effort versus United was appalling on a number of levels. Grrrrr.

  89. Breezy says:

    No apologies needed we all have other sporting interests.

    JJ it seems that there will be no new keeper, and having Djourou back is just like having a new defender… you know it is. Although there are rumours we’re interested in Mexes at 9 million.

  90. JonJon says:


    i was always lead to beleive that grid iron was the US top sport??

    am i right in saying that baseball is really the unofficial number one pastime and grid iron is second fiddle

    abit like what rugby is to footy in the UK..

  91. JonJon says:

    breezy weve been interested in mexes since he was 12 and now hes 42 and we still havent signed him..

    mexes is one of those names you learn to ignore cos we linked every year..

    i said a few weeks back mate that after signing kos thats wengers lot..

    hes got 40mil but he’ll use the reccession as an excuse not to spend when really he should be taking advantage of the fact everyone else is broke and we arent..

  92. Red Arse says:


    I hope you try and encourage Rico to come back soon.

    As I say, I have been on two or three other sites lately, one of them Arsenal Arsenal which is v. good. I am currently switching back and forwards with another site as we speak, but it’s not quite the same as the daily dose of AR/Rico.

    Call her and tell her to move her arse, we are all suffering withdrawal symptoms! 🙂

    I have seen some of your evening posts, and seen my friend Oliver chatting to you, but if I am awake between 11 p.m. to 2 a.m. I have been out boozing. Luckily I have managed not to comment in that state! 🙂

  93. oliver says:

    ra, i think a little balance for arsene will go a long way. constant shielding of players gives the impression – rightly or wrongly – that there is no accountability. when players not doing the business continue to keep there first team places, that only fuels the no accountability perception. if arsene wants to make these players men, they need to face the music when required – when tv loses his man because he is too far upfield and an opposition goal results, he needs to take responsbility for that snd answer questions about it.

    i love arsene, but a lot of things about him frustrate me – this is probably the biggest proverbial “bee in my bonnet” regarding him. the whole world sees a certain vassiriki “abou” diaby sleepwalk through entire games in centre midfield, yet arsene either blithely glosses over it or does not mention it. if we want diaby to become the player he should be, consistently dominant and focused, then put him up to face the music. if you treat your players like babies, guess how they will play?

  94. oliver says:

    jj baseball is still officially “america’s pastime”. make no mistake, nfl football is far and away the biggest show in town here. the next nfl season kicks off in just over a month and training camp is already dominating the airwaves. if you live in a city where the baseball and (real) football teams are medicore – like i do with the nationals and dc united here in washington – then talk invetiably turns to the redskins, even though they are still in training camp. i truly live in enemy country, as the redskins and my ny giants are bitter rivals. go big blue!

  95. Red Arse says:

    Breezy, I think JJ is right. I would be v surprised if we signed another CB, and I am sure Wenger said in May that he had no intention of signing a new GK, despite all the rumours.

    Who knows?

    I and others have complained about not knowing what is going on with tfrs, but realistically that is probably not practical, if I’m being honest.

  96. Red Arse says:

    Giants for me too Oliver! 🙂

    We are on the same team again!

    My family in NY are all giants fans too, but the branch in Kansas don’t give a monkeys, to coin an English phrase! 🙂

    Before ESPN started broadcasting here in the UK, big time, I missed out on all the US games because the sports pages here report v little on them.

  97. Red Arse says:


    Your 2:59 is spot on. Couldn’t agree more.

  98. oliver says:

    ra, for nyg bill sheridan = gerry peyton. one of them was fired immediately, i wish arsenal would follow suit.

    i am hopeful for the upcoming season. players seem geniuinely angry about how they went into the tank last season, so hopefully they will play with an attitude this season.

    and that is all i will say for now, lest this becomes a big blue blog.

  99. Red Arse says:



    You will have to tell me what Giants blog you frequent when the season starts. We can chat a double – header! 😉

  100. JonJon says:


    i had a conversation with rico earlier in the week and i intend to speak to her again soon..

    Oliver, i was a huge 49ners fan was i was younger, the days of joe montana and jerry rice got me hooked..

    im not as into nfl as i used to be but i still listen out for the 49ners score

  101. Breezy says:

    JJ we all live in hope

    Oliver I agree 100% as has been mentioned over and over fans will never get on the back of a player who gives 100% regardless of ability, its the players who turn in lackluster performances week after week who get the ire of the fans, the comparison of the fans reactions to the Cesc transfer and the Greedybayor one is a case in point.

    I think your point is also illustrated by the fact that our players continually acknowledging their mistakes time after time and promising to fix it but continue to make those very same miistakes, no one is holding them accountable thats why they can repeat them with impunity.

  102. oliver says:

    ra, see on the giants blogs once the season starts. i will probably be on big blue view for most of the time.

    jj, montana and rice were one of kind, two of the greatest ever at their respective positions. niners success was also due to great players at other positions: ronnie lott (safety), john taylor (second wr), roger craig (rb). they will probably win the nfc west this year and are improving, but i doubt they will reach the montana-rice heights for a quite a while.

  103. Red Arse says:

    Jorge Bird is reporting that Wellington and Miyachi are both playing in the reserves match at Wimbledon this afternoon.


  104. JonJon says:

    i dont understand how wellington can play..

    i thought with the rules in brazil with young players leaving, wellington wasnt joining us until jan..

  105. Red Arse says:

    Well it seems JJ, Oliver that we will have to have a side bar on NFL next season! 🙂

  106. oliver says:

    breezy, lack of ability is understandable, lack of effort is not. everybody has matches/days where they just don’t have it, but the greats never “mail it in”, that is what separates them from the others. those that have tons of talent but lack maturity and application are the ones that should be called out and should have supporters on their backs. ade comes specifically to mind during the 08-9 season – he had worked so hard during the previous seasons. sometimes looking awkward and ungainly, but always putting in an honest shift. then he got his head turned, then he got paid, and then he couldn’t be bothered anymore. i hold him up as an object lesson to younger players – do not go down this path.

  107. oliver says:

    jj, perhaps it is because season has not officially started yet? i do not know myself, that is just a guess.

  108. avenell says:

    Hi guys..

    JJ keep yor eye in the moderation some dick keeps commenting and it’s going in there..

  109. Red Arse says:


    I am really pleased to hear you and the lovely Rico will talk again soon! 🙂 You are a great team.

    JJ, you and I are mere men, and perhaps we sometimes take the women for granted.

    On behalf of AR fans/bloggers I keep my fingers crossed you can work the oracle! 🙂

  110. JonJon says:

    i remember john taylor too..

    the last time i watched a 49ners game was years ago..

    it was in the days when they kept getting beat by the cowboys and the packers in the playoffs..

    steve whats his face was QB and they had players like dion saunders and terrel owens and ricky watters..

  111. Red Arse says:

    Oi Ave,

    I hope you don’t mean me? 🙂

    JJ, I think this is a friendly not the official start of the reserves league, which is why Miyachi is also playing.

    I had heard that Miyachi had gone to Ajax for a trial over there, last Thursday, must have got that wrong!

  112. Red Arse says:


    I think we’ve hooked JJ. 🙂

  113. Breezy says:

    at Ave I guess I’d better stop commenting!!!! (jokes… I can’t get those smilely faces into my post).

  114. Red Arse says:


    This where I come in! 🙂

    JJ, Agag, Rico well everyone taught me how to do it.

    type : – ) joined up. On your screen that’s all you will see until you submit the comment and hey presto you have a smiley.

  115. oliver says:

    a lot of it is arsene himself. if anyone suspects that he does not like to deal with difficult questions, i hold the shareholders q&a from a couple of seasons ago up as proof. players can say “oh, i know i have to do better”, etc all they like, but if performances do not improve, than something is clearly not working. if i say i am crap at my job and vow to improve that is one thing. if my boss tells the group (media) that i am crap and need to improve, that is something completely different. which do you think would motivate me to work harder?

    look, last baseball analogy: three nights ago in atlanta, with the mets trailing late but trying to rally against braves, they put two runners on. 1b ike davis walks on four straight pitches. mets cleanup hitter, 3b david wright comes up. instead of taking pitches from a pitcher who is having problems finding the strike zone, he swings at the second pitch and grounds weakly out. threat, inning and game effectively over. in the postgame, wright talks of his struggles and says he must do better. the next game in philadelphia, he goes 1-4 and strands more runners on base in another loss. david is to be applauded for his honesty, but where is the accountability. instead of david saying these things, why isn’t his manager (jerry manuel) saying, david is one of many that is just not getting it done right now and it is hurting the team. harsh perhaps, but david cannot argue with that, because it is absolutely true. would a public comment from his manager help? nothing else has, so i think it is worth a try. and so should arsene, when the need arises.

    sorry about the mets, but i felt that was a good way to try and prove my point.

  116. oliver says:

    steve young. it is never easy following a legend, most fail. but steve did the best job i can think of, considering he took over as niners qb from cult-figure joe (montana).

  117. Red Arse says:

    The starting team for Legia is;

    Flappy, Sagna, Kos, TV, Clichy

    Pingpong, Nas Jack

    Wllie, Cham, TR

  118. oliver says:

    no surprise there. this fixture is all about fab. and i do not read too much into arsene’s comments yesterday. it is not like he was going to bring his team to warsaw and then throw fab under the bus – it would be classic if he did, and merited in some ways, but he never will

  119. Red Arse says:

    Well got to go and get ready for the game and hope my ATVO connection works.

    Oliver, what’s happened to that post you were promising Rico? 🙂 Promises, promises! 😉


  120. oliver says:

    ra, i sent avenell a post yesterday. i think that is what he mentioned he would post later on. although he may have a few others in the queue.

  121. Mustang says:

    Gutted to have missed the grid iron chats, anyone still about?

  122. oliver says:

    hi mustang, i am still here although not for too much longer.

  123. JonJon says:

    steve young

    thats him..he was a great player..like u say had big shoes to fill and he was underated because of it…

  124. oliver says:

    but he still won the super bowl in 94. and came close a couple of other times.

  125. JonJon says:

    that he did..

  126. oliver says:

    steve wasn’t that young when niners signed him from tampa bay to back montana up. if i remember, he was already in his thirties when he finally won the starting job. at the end, he could still throw the ball well, but had lost much of the mobility that made him so effective and the team around him had deteriorated. like troy aikman with dallas, he started getting regular concussions from hard hits, and left at proabably the right time, if not a bit late.

  127. oliver says:

    like troy, i think steve still does game commentary or studio analysis for one of the networks.

  128. Mustang says:

    Hi Oliver,

    love the grid… aikman’s Dallas were so successful not because of the protection of his line men bur he had good backs and receivers. Some of the hits he got were bone shattering!

  129. oliver says:

    hi mustang! as a giants fan, it goes without saying that i am not a fan of the dallas cowboys. but i am happy to give credit where credit is due and give grudging respect to the aikman/emmitt/irvin team of the 90’s. i do think his o-line at their peak was excellent – but once they deteriorated, so did aikman’s game, and by the end he was a sitting duck. plus he was never the most mobile of guys, unlike tony romo.

  130. avenell says:

    Oliver.. Your post is ready to rock and roll.
    but if you are not around would you like me to hang fire?

  131. JonJon says:

    young was one of those QB’s who used to dive head first into tackles after going on a sneak..

    coaches and physios nightmare..probably why he had so many concussions

  132. oliver says:

    we just went 1-0 down at legia.

  133. avenell says:

    JJ if oliver gives the thumbs up stick the post up..

    I’m going to try to get my water back on.. 🙂

  134. oliver says:

    i am here avenell, ready when you are. i will have to slip away soon, but not just yet.

  135. Mustang says:


    giants fan eh? Understand your “love” for the cowboys, but you are right the trinity were good. Can’t remember a trio that good perform consistently and that successful on the same roaster. What’s the news on plaxico?

  136. oliver says:

    plax is still in the clink. he has applied twice for work release and has been denied. he will not be coming back to the giants, i can assure you that. however, when he gets out, he will find some work, i have no doubt about that. when the giants released him pending his court date, the jets tried to get him. perhaps they will revisit. although they already have their own “problem” wr in braylon.

  137. avenell says:

    New post then.. press home.

  138. oliver says:

    yeah, i think that cowboys team was one of a kind. jerry and jimmy have to thank minnesota for that – the vikings trade for herschel walker allowed dallas to stockpile all those draft picks and build a championship team from the ground up. perhaps arsene will not be able to achieve this with the current arsenal side, but his model is similar to dallas – integrate talented young players and grow them together in a championship team. for those who say it can never work, it did for dallas, albeit in a different sport/country.

  139. JonJon says:

    no worries ave..

    oliver is it ok if i put your post on now???

  140. oliver says:

    switching gears to the new post.

  141. oliver says:

    please do.

  142. Mustang says:

    Oh yeah he will find work alright, like vick. although have not caught up on much NFL news and don’t know if eagles are keeping vick?

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