Cesc… You Signed on the Dotted Line.

I have admired Cesc ever since he pulled on the red and white way back in 2003 he has in abundance something Theo seems to struggle with, “Awareness”. He either has a third eye or a memory that can judge 20 players positions at the blink of an eyelid and pinpoint the positions where they are going to be before they get there.

But this transfer saga is getting me down now, for years Cesc has said all the right things up until this summer, now there is an eerie silence. Until today when it is reported that Cesc wouldn’t want to hand in a transfer request in case he upsets the Arsenal fans. Or more likely if Barca don’t come up with the asking price and cannot match Arsenals valuation his future at the Emirates next season would be a tad uncomfortable to say the least, as soon as anything goes wrong he would be the scapegoat (although he probably will be anyway if the season goes wrong).

If it is true that Cesc wants to go home to the club that wouldn’t have given him half a dozen first team games.

Why the badge kissing last year?

Why the quotes like this one from last November “ Barcelona rumours don’t affect me- I may even stay at Arsenal forever”?  and more to the point.. Why sign an EIGHT year deal? Of course the answer is money £100k ish a week. Poor old Flamini gets a caning for leaving when his contact ran out, probably a quarter of the salary that Cesc was on. Where was his contact extensions?   Flamini got treated like shit and left, Cesc is treated with kid gloves and gets everything Arsenal can give him yet he is ‘showing’ a desire to leave. In my opinion Cesc is showing us less respect than the Flamster who I would take back at the drop of a hat.

If I was Arsene I would look at the long-term future of the club, another half-hearted season out of Cesc may not be the best thing for us, having him as club captain may not be the best thing either, Just having him around sends messages to our younger players to be disloyal. Or are Arsenal cosmopolitan and professional enough to let these things not affect them?
We seriously and not just us, look at how we set up the player contracts, In Spain when Barca signed Hleb they put a buy out clause in his deal, If any club comes in for him they must pay 90 million euro’s, then he can go. I mean players like Chamakh wouldn’t turn down the chance of playing for us with that minor line in the contract would he? But if he turns out like billy big boots Adebayor and forgets how much he initially wanted to play for us we then have an insurance policy against his agent whoring him around Europe because it wouldn’t be worth it.

The other day our beloved Dudu left us pastures new,  he said all the right things in his final speech, I never rated him as the greatest player Arsenal ever had, but what a true gentleman and professional, a credit to football, best wishes.

Have a good day fellow Roadsters.

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161 Responses to Cesc… You Signed on the Dotted Line.

  1. shakyArsene says:

    Great poast

  2. avenell says:

    Morning shaky.. cheers mate.

  3. Kipmonster says:

    I propose that Arsenal fans World wide post letters once a week for the next four weeks to UEFA & FIFA complaining about Barcelona FC’s ‘tapping up’ of Cesc Fabregas. Also post a letter just once to Arsenal FC requesting that they formally complain to UEFA & FIFA. I have drawn up 3 template letters that I will email to willing participants. All you need to do is type in your own Name & Address before printing off & posting. Momentum will be boosted by you forwarding the email to every one of your Arsenal FC fan family & friends, encouraging them to participate.
    The aim of repetitive letters is to create an Admin headache for UEFA & FIFA with thousands of letters received from all over the world & display the strength of feeling from Arsenal FC fans. The purpose of the single letter to Arsenal FC is again to display the strength of feeling from us fans.
    My email address for this campaign from where I will email you the letter templates is …….. ArsenalFansHateBarcelonaFC@gmail.com

  4. Gareth26GOONER says:

    Its mandatory for spanish clubs to have buy out clauses

  5. Hoo says:

    Firstly Flamini wasn’t treated like shit he was offered £2 million a year but opted to leave for £4 million a year after saying he was going to sign a contract with arsenal.

    Secondly Fabregas hasn’t given us a half hearted season since he has been here.

    We sold hleb because after 3 years of a contract a player can but out his contract, which we wanted to avoid because we would have got less money for him.

    Finally you are forgetting a very crucial point. Fabregas has alot of respect for arsenal otherwise he would have demanded a move which he hasn’t. He has been for the last 6 weeks or so been around eight players who play for barcelona telling him how great it would be to join the best team in the world. This team also happens to be his home. on top of this the best player in the world messi has also expressed how great it would be to play for them, along with every member of the Barcelona hierarchy.

    Whilst I do not agree with the way they have gone about trying to lure fabregas to the club. You surely can not blame fabregas for this.

    Sometimes people need to engage their brain before they make comments

  6. avenell says:

    Welcome G26G.

    If there is free trade across Europe and UEFA etc, their should be no reason why we cannot have buy out clauses in this country too.

  7. Matt says:

    I was waiting for someone to bring up the badge-kissing and i’m glad you have. I can’t believe Fabregas has got off so lightly because of it. This time last year we were all slating Adebayor for kissing the badge and then leaving… Adebayor actually wanted to STAY at Arsenal, he didn’t force his transfer to Man City.

    I also don’t think he should be captain. The captain needs to be someone who loves the club and is proud to be playing for them. Now Fabregas has said he is, but there is no way his heart is still in it. A van Persie or Vermaelen would be so much more suited to the role. In my opinion, they would be better captians even if there wasn’t any doubt about Fabregas’s future.

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Fabregas through this whole ordeal and a part of me wants him to bugger off and warm the Barca bench. He would be stupid to leave now, and I’d expect him to realise that.

    It’s actually sad to see how he’s been brainwashed by those idiotic, disrespectful twats at Barcelona.

  8. Gareth26GOONER says:

    Cheers mate

    Yeah I understand that but I’ve always seen them as a way out if a club is underachieving,maybe planning ahead if the team doesn’t do so well,or a player asking for the clause as he doesn’t see a long term future there. I probably haven’t explained it well but I just see it as a fancy way of a player saying I don’t see myself staying here. But then again,long term contracts don’t seem to have the desired effect either!

  9. avenell says:

    Hoo shame about your final sentance.. insulting a fellow Arsenal supporter that doesn’t agree with you tut tut..

    Firstly Flamini wasn’t ofeered jack until his final year at Arsenal, we tried to unload him to Birmingham the year before (that is treating him like shit)

    Cesc went to see Arsene before the world cup, before he spent time with Barca players.

    Cesc has been signing contract extensions throughout his career Flamini never got offered one.

    If Cesc was an average player, Arsenal fans would be giving him the respect more like that of Ade.

  10. avenell says:

    Welcome to Avenell Road Matt.

    Sorry I copied some of you views in my last but I am a bit slow at typo and never read yours.

  11. Breezy says:

    Have to agree with what you said, this whole thing is just wearing me down, everyday some barcalona cunt comes out saying Cesc wants to go etc, Cesc could put a stop to this if he wanted to by telling the likes of Puyol, Xavi and co to shut up and show somw respect to Arsenal, but that either hasn’t happended (probably) or they’re just ignoring him.

    To be honest I would like Cesc to stay but not sure of him keeping the captaincy after he seems to have told Wenger he wants out, we need someone who wants to be there and is loyal to the club, until this summer that was Cesc it was almost as he was born and bred by Arsenal.

    Finally the whole thing about the transfer request, if he puts in a request we could sell him to the highest bidder, which will clearly not be Barcalona, he can’t really refuse to the club we accept an offer from as he will have burnt his bridges at Arsenal.

  12. Breezy says:

    Woops

    *happended* should have been happened
    *somw* – some

    Well it is the weekend…

  13. avenell says:

    Hi Breezy.. Good comment.

    I’d offer Cesc to RM and the Milan clubs and see how much they would pay.
    Then tell Cesc either sign a new deal or get Barca to match the best offer.

    If he doesn’t sign or Barca don’t match the offer…sell him.

  14. kc says:

    Problem with your logic is Cesc had a Fantastic season last term. This half hearted stuff is fear not fact. I have no problem with how Cesc has handled himself thru all this speculation. Its barca who is in the wrong here.

  15. avenell says:

    What message does it send to Jack wilshire??.. Cesc used Arsenal as a stepping stone. Make it here and you get a big money move.

  16. Breezy says:

    Agreed, and for me the good thing about madrid is that we could take players as part of the deal so for example 30-35 million cash and van der Vaart and Gago would be welcomed, that would be a total transfer fee of 50-55million.

    Does anyone agree or am I talking out of the hole located below my waist?

  17. avenell says:

    I with you on that one Breezy.
    Tbh I thought the post would have caused a bit of a stir, but the lack of comments arguing is low considering we have had 1500 hits on the post.

    Perhaps Cesc’s halo is slipping?

  18. bt62gooner says:

    Mornin all,i think and also said to other arsenal fans after the CL games against BARCAWHORA and various other pitiful games eg manure,chavs and other lesser opponents nobody could blame Cesc for wanting to leave.The same issues appear year on year and never seem to be resolved.I fear this will be the case this year.The Boss is not ruthless enough when players are underperforming.I hope iam proved wrong.As usual i will still be goin to the Emirates this season and backin the team to hilt.RED ARMY!!!

  19. brian says:

    I see no point in keeping him providing we can get top money for him.He will go next year anyway when the money might have to be less.
    A cynic might say that our years without a trophy have co-incided with him being the main man so lets try without him.

  20. avenell says:

    Hi Brian.. that is a bit cynical.. lol..

    I think a few more like Cesc would be more like it.

  21. dennis says:

    is this “real” or sarcastic ? I ask because it is so much rubbish i am struggling to take it seriously.Please tell me when Cesc. gave a half hearted season ? And why should we not tried to off load Flamini , he only played half a good season in all the time he was here.

  22. avenell says:

    Flamini played left back in all the games up to the final in our CL 2006 season and got dropped for a half fit tapped up Cole.. He wasn’t played in his best position until Diaby want down injured and Gilberto was playing in the Copa America.

    So in the 4 years at arsenal arsene only gave him a chance in his last season with us..

    Is that “real” enough for you?

  23. oliver says:

    good morning avenell, et al. if there is one thing that we can all agree on, this continued cesc saga is wearing us all down. why has he not come out and ruled out a transfer as in previous seasons? who knows? i am going to guess that tremendous pressure on him from friends and family members to request a move is a factor in his silence/ambiguousness.

    i suggest that perhaps this time he feels differently than he did on previous occasions. i absolutely have no knowledge about how cesc really feels, but i continue to suspect that he would prefer a transfer to barca, if it can be accomplished under circumstances acceptable to all concerned parties. we differ in that while you (along with rico, ra, jj, and many others) are concerned that cesc will not give us his all if he stays, i still feel he loves arsenal, would absolutely love to win silverware with us, and will give us his complete best, just as he has always done. i think (suspect) he would be happy with either outcome – knowing that a move to barca will eventually happen, while taking another opportunity to lead our team and lift a trophy (or several) as our captain. i will always caveat my position by stating that i can be dead wrong, but in the absence of actual knowlege about cesc’s though process. this is how i see it. and what i see is what i have to offer.

    one other point, very quickly: an official transfer request my still not bring arsenal to the negotiating table (although i think it would force arsene’s hand), but it would make cesc’s position absolutely clear, once and for all. there is widespread speculation that he will soon submit a transfer request to break the impasse – i believe that some close to him may be advising him to do just that, but i suspect he will not do so. i have read several comments suggesting that he would not because he stands to lose his loyalty bonus. that is true, but that is also one of the easiest issues to solve. i think barca would love cesc to submit that request – it would end all arguments (such as mine) that cesc is happy to stay and put far more pressure on arsenal than any player statement about cesc’s dna could. and it could easily be accomplished – if the money was cesc’s real reason for not submitting one. consider that communications between barca and the fabregas camp probably flow through a cutout representing the barca side, and someone close to cesc respresenting him (let us say his father, for argument’s sake). if cesc is holding off on the transfer request due to money, barca can actually take care of that themselves. in exchange for the transfer request, they offer to pay cesc the money he will leave on the table with arsenal, plus 20 per cent, to be added to a potential signing-on bonus. problem solved.

    the above is just to illustrate why i do not think money is the reason cesc has not submitted a transfer request. i believe he does not want to force arsenal in a corner, and only wants a transfer if the conditions are acceptable to all parties. that is not the case right now – if a transfer goes through under the current conditions (atmosphere, fee offered, etc), arsenal will lose, big time. i do not think cesc wants that to happen to our club.

    finally, i still enjoyed reading your post. i may not completely agree, but i certainly see how you and others feel over this.

  24. avenell says:

    Hi Oliver.. how you doing?

    I also don’t know exactly whats going on behind the scenes, so we are all guessing. But it does seem that he wants out this time.
    Me being an Arsenal supporter and not a Cesc one (I am while he wears the red and white) I want whats best for Arsenal and in my opinion if he isn’t commited we need to get as much for him as possible and not sell him in this country.

  25. avenell says:

    I have to pop out for an hour..
    Oliver if anyone comes on keep them chatting.. 😉

  26. oliver says:

    avenell, i have to go out as well – does not look as though anyone else is about at the moment…

    i get what you are saying, but i also disagree on one fundamental premise of yours: that cesc is not fully committed to the arsenal. many share your opinion, but i have seen nothing to suggest that he will not give us his all. indeed, i suggest that if he was not fully committed to arsenal, we would have verifiable, unambiguous quotes – directly from him – that he wants to transfer this summer. this summer’s drama is yet to play itself out completely, but i suspect that captain cesc will lead our team out on the anfield pitch on august 15th, and that he will wear the shirt and armband with pride and committment during the upcoming season.

  27. dennis says:

    So you saw in Flamini what Arsene missed? And what of Cescs last half hearted season ? mmmmmm no mention ,ok ,hardly surprising . And I could mention what a resounding success Flamini has been since he left ,thus proving Wenger was right not to push out the boat to keep him , but that would make me appear a cleaver clogs ,so I wont . Try to remember that if you say something stupid in public , someone will pull you up on it. PS thank you for your reply though

  28. Red Arse says:

    Dennis,

    You and Ave have presented different views on Cesc and the treatment of Flamini.

    That’s O.K. If you were in a pub with a bunch of Gooners talking all things Arsenal I am sure there would be many different opinions there too.

    It’s disappointing that you think it is O.K. to call another gooner “stupid” because you don’t agree with him.

    If you tried it on in a pub, what do you think would be the outcome of such a comment?

    Just make your point. Many might agree with you, many might not. That’s normal.

    Just leave the insults to one side. O.K?

  29. Red Arse says:

    Oliver,

    Reading the blogs on the Yankees is just as irritating as the rumour mill surrounding Arsenal.

    Posada is going to trade an up and coming prospect for Arizona diamond backs’ pitcher Haran,says the NY Times . Oh no they are not says the Washington Post, the yankees were never close to trading for him. Yada, yada.

    There were plenty of other contradictions within the space of a few hours. Just like the Gunners rumours, eh? 🙂

  30. JonJon says:

    Flamini was a monster..The midfield warrior that this team so desparately miss..

    He was treated like crap by wenger and in the end when wenger came crawling back and offerd him a new deal at the last minute, with the arrogance of expecting him to sign, flamini signed for milan in a 2 fingered fuck you to wenger..

    what flamini lacked in techincal ability he more than made up for in workrate, fire and no frills get stuck in and kick them harder than they kick you..

    in the 4 years he was a squad player he never kicked up a fuss, never demanded a transfer, even said he would honour his contract when wenger said he could move to birmingham..

    this was a player who played at LB in 06 and did good..can song diaby or denilson play at LB??

    this was a player who was never offered a new contract while all the others were given new deals every 12 months and this was a player who always layed his heart out whether he was asked to play wing defence or cm..

    he never kicked up a fuss but was discared and it wasnt until the last minute that wenger decided he needed flamini..what arrogance..

    i for one dont blame flamini for going i would have told wenger to fuck off too especially if the team i supported as a boy wanted me instead.. it was a total case of mismanagement and it came back to bite wenger on the arse cos for the sake of a few grand we lost a player worth 15mil..

  31. Red Arse says:

    Ave,

    When you get back!! 🙂

    I think too much is made about people wanting Cesc to “come out” and demand a transfer in writing.

    I am somewhat cynical about professional sportsmen and what makes them tick. To me, it just screams money. Whether it is called a “loyalty” bonus or not, the valuation is based on the length of the outstanding contract times the annual salary of the player. In Cesc’s case this amounts to millions.

    What Arsenal fans really mean is that they want to know what the hell is going on. Not knowing is the killer.

    Even if Cesc asked for a transfer, Arsenal could not just shift him out to a so called highest bidder. He could not be made to go anywhere he did not want to go.

    Anyway, even if that was possible, how many clubs would risk spending £40m on a player who did not want to play for them? I would put that at somewhere between none and zero! 🙂

  32. dennis says:

    Red Arse,I am sorry.and I take your point.However ,I Said he “said” something stupid , not that he is stupid , We all occasionally say the odd stupid thing , and i promise you that if someone in the pub said that Cesc had played a half hearted season I would tell him there and then that he was stupid.

  33. Red Arse says:

    Hi JJ,

    Good to hear your viewpoint on Flambo. 🙂

    I think Wenger realised a bit late in the date that letting Flamini go would cost Arsenal a good few million to replace him. Compared with an increase in Flambo’s salary that was not cost effective.

    He got it wrong and “missed out on a player”, which is something he has done a few times by his own admission.

  34. JonJon says:

    cesc had a half hearted full season in 08-09..he was annonymous

    RVP and AA carried us through that season cesc was poor and the injury that kept him out for 3 months was a blessing cos we went 20 games unbeaten most of them without him..

  35. Red Arse says:

    O.K. Dennis I hear you.

    If it wasn’t a personal insult I am sure Ave would understand that. 🙂

    Everybody is a bit pee’d off with not just Cesc but the whole transfer nonsense.

    It really got my goat when Arsene, who I want to do the right thing for Arsenal, comes out with rubbish like “we are still looking for a defender”. Why is just looking? Everyone in football knows who the star defenders are!

  36. dennis says:

    JonJon,We are told your 15 million worth of player is for sale for 6 million ,as he cant nail down a first team spot. And ,I liked Flamini , but we seam to be remembering a player that was far better than the reality

  37. JonJon says:

    the club does it all the time RA

    we all slag cole but he would have stayed if we’d have give the best LB in the world the best LB in the worlds wages..

    for the sake of a few G’s we lost a player worth 30mil..

    yet players like theo, denilson, diaby, get contracts at huge prices every 18months..and they dont do anything to deserve it..

  38. Red Arse says:

    For what it’s worth, I think Flamini was brilliant in his last season.

    In earlier seasons he looked O.K. but was moved around the team too often to really shine, although his play at left back was excellent, and his occasional call up at right back too.

    Arsene played him as a squad player. When he shone in his final season I think he had already made his mind up to go.

    I think he made a mistake leaving us though. 😦

  39. dennis says:

    Ok. I get it now, so RVP must have had a half hearted season last year , him being injured and all ?

  40. Red Arse says:

    You are right JJ,

    When you think how much Yaya has cost Citeh, it makes me a bit sick that Wenger let him go as a kid.

    I saw him play in a pre-season friendly for us, when he was a lanky v. skilful kid, over from the then Belgian feeder club, Beveren.

    Whata mistaka, yet again.

  41. JonJon says:

    flamini was awesome..he wasnt only good ‘that’ season..he only played in his best position that season..

    he could play anywhere and it wasnt down to technique it was down to desire..

    denilson is more techincal than flamini but who would you rather have..a player with no technique who crushes kills and destroys or a player with bags of technique but cant pass farther then two yards and gets out paced by refs, linesman and geriatric asthmatic slugs??

    and he only wasnt in the first team plans cos wenger didnt rate him until it was too late..when given the chance to shine he did..how many of wengers lovechildren shine in their position in the first year

    FFS its taken eboue diaby denilson theo 4 years and they still couldnt shine the leather on flaminis boots..but theyve all been given new contracts??mmmmm

    id of given flamini a new contract in 06..when he PROVED he was a good squad player

  42. Red Arse says:

    This is where opinions come in Dennis.

    After injuries Cesc may have needed more time to come back up to speed. He may have been cheesed off with some of the stuff going on at the Club. Whatever the reason he did not play too well in that season.

    I have often said, if Arsene had bought the quality players we needed Cesc and others would not have ever considered leaving.

  43. JonJon says:

    no dennis

    even though cesc was injured he was shit all year

    rvp was class before he got injured and class when he came back..

    in 08-09 cesc was piss poor before and after injury..

    we had a bad season and cesc was as much to blame as anyone

  44. Breezy says:

    @Red Arse i have to disagree with your point that we can’t sell to the highest bidder. I think once a transfer request is handed in your position at the club becoames untenable, it’s cast in stone that you don’t want to be their. Would the fans accept Cesc as capitan? and more importantly would the rest of the players? I know I would’nt. In the end Cesc’s position would probably be so bad that he will have to move.. anywhere.

  45. RH says:

    Red Arse is spot on – it’s all about money & I have no doubt it was the primary reason for him leaving Barca in the first place.
    I think Arsenal are right in trying to hold onto him, if that’s what they doing, I’m not sure he is ‘not for sale at any price’ – I’m finding it difficult to believe Arsene these – there’s been too many ‘lies’ of late.
    He is a very special player though, they don’t come round that often & if he is with us next season, the fans need to be 100% behind him, no booing or shit like that – who knows, if we win something things could change.

  46. dennis says:

    Awesome ! really ? He had a great first half of his last season ( in the shop window , if you like). Awesome in my book was the likes of DB10 , and that was not Flamini

  47. JonJon says:

    if cesc puts in a transfer request we still dont have to sell to anyone..

    we should just bang him in the reserves and let him rot for the rest of his contract..

    see if anyone wants a player who hasnt played for 5 years then..

  48. Red Arse says:

    I simply have never understood why we bought either Eboue or Denilson.

    Imagine choosing Eboue over Yaya, when they were offered by Beveren? Amazing! Disgraceful.

    But there are fans who still rate Eboue, but no one could ever convince me either have any virues as players. Not for Arsenal.

    Ask yourself the question. Who in the PL top six would want either of them on a free?

  49. JonJon says:

    so playing as a make shift leftback in a cl run that didnt conceed in 10 games wasnt awesome and didnt deserve a new contract?

    and db10 wasnt awesome..he was a god..

  50. dennis says:

    Red Arse.I really don’t want to seam like a clever git, but what City pays for a player bears no resemblance to his “real” value.

  51. JonJon says:

    eboue when deployed as a wingback was a good player..

    he just couldnt defend so wenger bought sagna..

    eboue would have been a good back up but wenger ruined him by trying him everywhere but goalie and eboue got confused..

    hes a wing back thats it..not a striker not a midfeilder not a winger..hes very direct but he cant shoot create or defend so i dont know why we bother..

  52. dennis says:

    JonJon, at least we agree on who should be worshiped

  53. Breezy says:

    @ JonJon i have a better idea we could send Cesc on loan to Tony Adams at FC Gabala or where ever the hell he is.

    I have to say I am gutted by Cesc’s actions or non action, I starting to think he has used Arsenal for his own gain, i was just thinking that this is actally the first time that Barcelona have actaully made clear their intentions that they want Cesc and instead of him clearing stating that he has let the speculation run wild.

    Again Red Arse have to disagree with teh Eboue, Toure thing. Toure seems a bit of a merc, we would have the same problem we having now with Cesc when barca came calling, he does’nt have Kolo’s loyalty.

  54. Breezy says:

    Woops (again)

    What I meant in the second para is that instead of cesc clealy stating that he wants to stay as he has before, he has let the speculation run wild.

  55. dennis says:

    Red Arse, now you know what i would tell you in the pub if you said that about Eboue.

  56. Red Arse says:

    Breezy,

    You may not agree with some of what I wrote.

    It’s important to differentiate between the legal aspects of a players contractual obligations and the emotive one.

    I just could not be bothered to quote all the relevant Statute Laws, Human Rights, Employment Laws that would prevent a club from forcing a player to go to another club.

    The fans may be furious with him but the players would side with him because they know which side of the bread is buttered.

    But what you cannot disagree with is that no sane manager or club (Real Madrid) would buy for £40m, a player who did not want to play for them, but wanted to play for “his” country’s club (Barca).

    How would that make them different to the position Arsenal
    find themselves in?

    Really?

    JJ, in reality no club would throw away £30 or £40m by sticking a player like Cesc in the reserves.

    Finance would win over emotion every time.

  57. avenell says:

    RH welcome and you are now free to blog – Mrs Ave.

  58. JonJon says:

    😉 dennis

    i dont worship flamini but id take him over diaby and denilson any day of the week

    we have enough technical players with no bottle..we need balance..

  59. dennis says:

    Jon Jon,I was not being funny. i meant that as you said Dennis was god then we both worshiped him. And as i said I too liked Flamini ,I just don’t remember him being that good

  60. Red Arse says:

    Dennis,

    Please, for your sake, don’t provoke me, especially in a pub!

    What would be “clever” is for you to define “real worth”.

    But then don’t bother. I couldn’t be arsed, you seem unable to formulate a sensible argument. (Read JJ or Breezy above on how it’s done).

  61. JonJon says:

    i no you wasnt mate..

    i was smiling cos we agreed on something 😉

  62. Breezy says:

    @Red Arse well I’m coverted, good points, however I think what is important is that Cesc handing in a transfer request does not do Cesc or the club any favours and if he loves Arsenal the way he claims, then he will not screw us over by handing in request.

    Man city is the one club who will buy a player that does not really want to play for them, or else they would.nt have a team, but from an Arsenal point of view that would be bad business, so I take that point as well.

  63. Red Arse says:

    You misunderstand me Breezy,

    I do not want Yaya. My point is that Wenger did not recognise the footballing skills of Tours as a kid. Others obviously have, including Barca and Citeh and to the tune of a lot of money.

  64. eve says:

    whats the point of months of fighting barca to keep our cesc when most of you dont want him here, dont want him as captain, we have won the battle? but you all find something to moan about with cesc. he has been an great captain and an extrordinary player, he has put his heart and soul into arsenal, he will do the same this season as our captain so stop slagging him off, and show him we love him and want him to stay and never leave.

  65. JonJon says:

    of course you are right RA

    i would fully expect cesc to be sold if he were indeed to request a transfer

    im just saying what id do… 😉

    breezys option aint that bad either..

  66. JonJon says:

    eve

    hi.. 😉

    cesc will leave my friend..hes a fantastic player but barca are getting nearer

    the only reason we won the battle was by default..if barca werent skint and could afford him they would have got him..

    and wenger would have sold..

    cesc doesnt deserve to be captain..but i will suport him next season..hes just not the man i thought he was

  67. dennis says:

    Ok , tough guy , So am I to assume that you dont understand that City are paying over inflated prices for anyone they buy? That means as no one else would pay that amount, not even Chelsea ,so to define “real worth” it is the value of a player to a team other than City. Is that sensible enough for you ?

  68. Red Arse says:

    Well said Breezy. 🙂

    I have to say you will never convince me about Eboue as a player for Arsenal. JJ said exactly what I think about him.

    Bought as a right back he was clueless. As an attacking midfielder he is never in the side to make any impression other than being a diver par excellence.

    Actually, I like him as a person as he is bubbly and because he is committed to Arsenal.

    It’s O.K. to disagree, life would be boring otherwise. But the question I asked earlier is still there. Who in the PL top six would buy either Denilson and Eboue from us? To replace whom?

  69. JonJon says:

    im struggling to think of any team in the top division who would take denilson..hes not good enough for a title charge..hes not good enough for a side with top half aspirations and he doesnt have the fight to play in a relegation dogfight..

    eboues a mid table player at most

  70. JonJon says:

    denilson would do well in spain..

  71. Red Arse says:

    Hi Eve,

    I have written posts and articles for Avenell supporting exactly the view you are putting forward.

    He is all the things you say and I have always believed he would stay for another year. If Wenger bought quality players to support his efforts I have also said he might stay for the rest of his career.

    The problem is, Wenger won’t. The fans will become more upset by a perceived lack of committment and there will be a bad outcome for all, unfortunately.

    Are you really Mrs Ave? 🙂

  72. Red Arse says:

    Again JJ we agree. We will disagree about something sometime and then we will have an intelligent discussion to put our views forward! 🙂

  73. JonJon says:

    im really hard to disagree with RA..im always right.. 😉

  74. Red Arse says:

    So Wath always tells us …… not 🙂

  75. dennis says:

    Let me see if i understand this.Flamini plays left back in our champion league run and gets credit for the clean sheets ect.and the guy who plays on the other side ,Eboue,is not good enough to play for us! and Denilson is 21 , so how are we to judge him yet ? I will take Wengers opinion on a player over most professionals let alone ill informed amateurs

  76. Breezy says:

    @ Eve i don’t disagree that Cesc has been a great player and captain for Arsenal and seems to be a great person as well, and if he stays i will support him, in fact I would love for him to stay but all the noises indicate that Cesc is not that keen. Personally, I would like to have a captain whose first choice is to be playing and wants to play for Arsenal, instead of being there by default.

    But as I said I will support him 100%, because if he does stays I think he will give 100%

  77. JonJon says:

    Waths just mad cos i make pink tutus look good..

  78. agirlagunner says:

    Avenell, I’m finding it hard to like YKW now. He’s morphed into something that approximates obnoxious since he’s been with the stains.

    RA, easy on Eboue. 🙂

    JJ, Flamini is the football equivalent of pop charts’ one-hit wonders. He had one great season with us. And I’m sure he has regretted every moment of his spell at the Milan bench. 😉

  79. avenell says:

    Dennis when I wrote “another half-hearted season” I mean next season, the season coming..

    Not that he has given us a half hearted season, another season (that may not have his heart in it) okay get it..

    cash in now, not take a chance on a player that has made his mind up to go.. like to Barca.. not at arsenal.. durrrrr

    Hi everyone else..

    Thanks for the defence RA.. 🙂

  80. Red Arse says:

    Did you read that Djourou is saying he is going to be more aggressive and in their faces next season.

    Wow. If only he had done that more in the past, in between injuries, of course, he would be a hell of a player.

    He has all the physical attributes, at 6′ 3″ and very athletic, but he has been a pussy cat against all the CF’s he has come up against, as far as I can remember.

    I am only 6′ 2″ and 15 stone but I think I would have squashed players like Keane or Milner. Actually I probably couldn’t catch them but I only played Rugby at school and catching players wasn’t a problem. 😉 Squish! 🙂

  81. Red Arse says:

    Your Welcome Ave.

    Not that you need it frankly. 🙂

  82. JonJon says:

    dennis..

    flamini was the only one who could defend..eboue was always bombing upfield and senderos is crap..

    flamini takes alot of credit from me for that run..sooooooo underated..

    as for wengers judgement in denilson

    i also trusted wengers judgement regarding boa morte, jeffers, senderos, wright, shabbaaan, stepanovs, cygan, wreh, wright, etc etc etc..

    in 14 years wengers developed henry, vieira, cole, cesc, song, clichy rvp…

    the rest of his products have failed badly and been sold..

    denilson should be next cos hes shit..

    wengers not that great at developing ppl..in 14 years hes developed only a handful..

    dont get too excited over denilson

  83. Red Arse says:

    JJ your 4:19 😀

  84. JonJon says:

    Hi AGAG

    he wasnt a one hit wonder though..he was good for 4 years..its just nobody ever noticed until it was too late..

  85. dennis says:

    Avenall,should you not make a beeping noise when you start backing up? durrrrr.

  86. Red Arse says:

    Hi Agag,

    Thanks for yet another compliment yesterday. 🙂

    I couldn’t get to the site earlier on because of yet another computer crash and when I did get back everyone had buggared off!

  87. JonJon says:

    denilson makes a beeping noise when he backs up..he turns like a tanker..by the time hes caught up with play were 3 nil down

  88. avenell says:

    Dennis There is no backing up.. that’s why.. you half read something then start insulting the blog owner..
    I let you on for a sensible debate and you are failing quite frankly..

  89. dennis says:

    perhaps we could buy Famini back as a center back then?

  90. avenell says:

    He would do better than most in that position..

  91. Red Arse says:

    Well I’ve got to go guys. When there is a wasp around a picnic you either swat him or walk away.

    The cretin wasp around here might just bring out the worst in me. 😦

    Tomorrow?

  92. agirlagunner says:

    He was great for one season, JJ. And he left knowing we did not sign a replacement. And that’s low. 🙂 Plus, only girls are always right. 😉

    Hola, RA. Howdy? My laptop is behaving again. Gave me grief for two weeks. 🙂

  93. JonJon says:

    he was great for one season in his natural position but he was good in the 3 years he played everywhere else and he left becuase wenger tried to flogg him to brum the year before and its wengers fault he didnt sign a relacement.. 😉

  94. avenell says:

    AGAG if you was in Flamini shoes.. You help Arsenal to the CL final .. then you get dropped.. you are never offered a new contract, you are told that Birmingham City want you to go there and sign..
    Diaby gets injured and Gilberto is busy in Brazil so in you last season you get a chance .. you take it..

    Then when your contract runs out you are offered half of what Milan offered in wages..

    Would you give two f**ks about Arsenal??

  95. JonJon says:

    we should buy flamini back and put him in the midfield and see how many times he gets out run by refs..

    the defence would need to do anything that boy defended from the front..

  96. dennis says:

    Look i am sorry but when you say “another” the implication is that there has been ” an other one “its quite simple and you said it .However,if you meant to say that you feared for a season where he was not fully committed ,being a first,then that is quite a different thing and I think also a reasonable fear

  97. avenell says:

    Okay dennis.. let’s start again.. thanks..

  98. JonJon says:

    not if i supported milan too ave..

    alot of ppl forget that flamini although french is a milan fan..

    flaminis knickname in the arsenal dressing room was gattusso..

  99. avenell says:

    Taking up your point JJ.. that Cesc wasn’t as good in 08/09.. I agree but I don’t blame Cesc. I blame Arsene for letting Hleb and Flamini go and not signing decent replacements straight away.. look at the differnce AA made to his game when Cesc finally returned from injury..

    If we had of got our hands on Alonso eh..

  100. dennis says:

    cheers .I must say that this is a good place for “reasonable”discussion

  101. avenell says:

    I thought he was a Juve fan.. I will look it up..

  102. Breezy says:

    While I agree that denilson is erm… not so good, he was never meant to be a dm I recall when we fist signed him he was magical, in particular in carling cup game against the the Spuds, anyway at time I recall him saying that he plays best in the position as Cesc, ie. a cm, or acm. He got injured and when he returned he was “converted” into a DM. Still, given Song’s progress I guess he should still be better then he is.

  103. agirlagunner says:

    Flamini led us to believe, he would stay, JJ and Ave.

    In my head, all our players should be thinking that Arsenal is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I understand that he felt poorly treated. In some ways, he was. But it hasn’t worked out for him either, and that gives me great satisfaction.

    And AW never signs anyone. 🙂 🙂

  104. avenell says:

    AGAG He probably did give that indication.. but we offered him £30k a week less.. That is a tad insulting.

  105. avenell says:

    That’s like £6 million over 4 years.. head turning .

  106. JonJon says:

    why did he lead us to believe he was going to sign for us AGAG

    wenger told him in summer he could leave and flamini wanted to honour his contract..

    it was only wengers arrogance that wenger thought flamini would stay at last minute but flamini had no intention on staying from the start..

    we knew that before xmas.wenger just made out flamini was staying but as we all know wengers the biggest liar at arsenal..and thats not offensive to the great man but its true..he hasnt told the truth in about 5 years..

  107. JonJon says:

    we all knew it was flaminis last year..why was everyone shocked he left??

  108. JonJon says:

    we all knew gallas was in his last year..are we pissed off with him for leaving

    thats what happens when clubs let good players run down their contracts

    if they wanted them to stay they tie them down

    wenger didnt tie flamini down..it was wengers fault

  109. avenell says:

    I was shocked that we couldn’t have given him some of the £12 million that it would have cost to sign a relacement..

  110. John Faxe Jensen says:

    Barca pocketed Uefa a long time ago with thick “brown envelopes” that is why they are turning the blind eye to what is going on.
    Cesc is just another DEGO showing us his true (Ba***)colours crying his way to Nou Camp!!
    GOOD FUC**** RIDDANCE!!!

  111. avenell says:

    There is another post in the making JJ.. what a great deal we got out of the Gallas?Cole exchange.. Chelsea will be pissing themselves if they sell him to RM..

  112. JonJon says:

    ave i agree

    cesc lost his buddies that year…but he was still poor by his own standards

    and im with you on alonso..

    thats why im not confident this summer..

    2008 we lost an entire midfield and bought nobody..this year weve lost an entire defence and bought another nobody..

    im not as confident wenger will buy as everyone else is..if he wanted to he would have done it by now.

  113. avenell says:

    How are you anyway JJ.. you will have to get in touch soon mate?

  114. JonJon says:

    i know

    they got the best left back in the world for 5 mil and got rid of a moody (but good) dispruptive frenchie who wouldnt play where he was told to

    they got coles best years and now are looking at making a proft of 25mil and gallas goes on a free..

    yeah we came out on top of that one didnt we..

  115. avenell says:

    Hi John.. Welcome to Avenell Road mate.. a nice aggresive entrance..

  116. JonJon says:

    im good mate..things are looking up i was gonna give u a ring at somepoint this weekend as your name was brought up the other day..

    hows tricks at your end

  117. avenell says:

    Still in the usual mess JJ .. I’m here all weekend I think..

  118. JonJon says:

    aggressive but i like your style john and you raise a good point

  119. JonJon says:

    😉

    i’ll give you a bell tomorrow afternoon at some point..

  120. JonJon says:

    AGAG..

    it gives you great satisfaction..your like the iron lady..id hate to bump into you on a dark night in an alley..

    although i think WATH wouldnt mind too much 😉

  121. agirlagunner says:

    Ave, it was not merely an indication. He said he would stay. Next thing we know, he was off to Milan. He became a top player at Arsenal, figured he was bigger than us and better off elsewhere, made a mad money move and now has just about killed off his career. 🙂 Well, done, Mathieu (But having said that, it would be nice if we had one like him this season. 🙂 )

  122. JonJon says:

    id take both him and hleb back tomorrow..and tell theo and denilson to piss off

  123. avenell says:

    With footballers the only thing that indicates they will stay is their signature.. at least Flamini had the morals to stay until the end of his contract..

    Unlike so called legends like Thierry who pocketed a £5 million pound re-signing fee, a years wages (where he was on the sick) then breaks his contract a year later..

    It’s not just Flamini whose career has nosedived since leaving Arsenal.. Apart from v Bronkhurst and silvinho. I cannot think of many that have gone on to better themselves. Vieira is debateable..

  124. avenell says:

    I would think it would be fair to say that if you are not offered a new deal when your contract only has a year to run your not wanted, go and find your best deal.

    Cesc has four years left on his.. that is not a time to find a new deal..

  125. JonJon says:

    vieira got lucky..he joined a shite league run by the mob and happend to play for two of the best teams around..

  126. avenell says:

    I think he was going downhill in his last season for us anyway. But on paper he did okay when he left..

    I bet he doesn’t get many games this year..

  127. JonJon says:

    thats just it..

    footballers dont have long careers they need to look out for themselves especially in flaminis situation where you are told you are not in the future plans..you go out and sort your future out and thats what flamini did..

    if he had 4 years left to run he wouldnt have been able to talk to milan in first place but thats wengers fault..

  128. agirlagunner says:

    Ave and JJ, your Flam love, I think, is what Theo needs to feel, so that he’d come good and finally grow a proper beard. 🙂 🙂

    JJ, I suspect the only thing WATH would notice in a dark alley is the distant neon sign flashing “Happy Hour”. 😛

  129. JonJon says:

    i dont think many of them will ave..theyve got something like 15 midfielders on their books now..

    its a disgrace to football what they are doing..

  130. 9jagunner says:

    Flamini was clearly not good enough prior to his “big” season. The only position he excelled at was at left back an being right footed, I would not have him as my first or second choice left back.
    He had a few cameos in mid field and did not excite anyone. In fact, I was always disappointed to see him warming up. Of course some will argue that he did not have enough playing time, but neither has Aaron Ramsey and we already know he is great.
    I would not have offered him an extension before that seson and I am glad Wenger did not. AC Milan must be wishing Wenger had extended it.

  131. JonJon says:

    😆 agag.

  132. avenell says:

    Theo is a overrated one trick pony that we sussed out years ago.. I had a major row on a blog when all the Theo lovers turned on me when I said i would rather play Eboue.

    They all seem to agree about Theo now..
    He would be okay in a counter attacking team, not a team that plays possesion football like us.
    He has no space to run..

  133. avenell says:

    Does Wath like the Housemartins?

  134. JonJon says:

    and hes not good enough to create his own space..hes got no idea what hes doing and in 4 years wenger hasnt managed to teach him a single thing

  135. avenell says:

    9jagooner.. welcome.

    He must have been good enough, because he was good enough if you know what I mean.. You cannot go from shit to shit hot in a 6 month period..

    He just wasn’t given the chance. Gilberto was playing and that limited Flamini to very few chances.. I wish Diaby got as many..

  136. avenell says:

    He wrote a book.. er remember Anfield when……….. yawn…..Ade…… yawn..

  137. avenell says:

    He’s not even good enough for England… now that is bad..

  138. JonJon says:

    😆

  139. avenell says:

    JJ .. did I read you had a post? Or has that been and gone.

  140. agirlagunner says:

    Lol, Ave. I don’t know what WATH’s musical preferences are. But I am certain he has a great fondness for fermented grapes and grains.

    JJ and Ave, Theo’s great defender isn’t due back until Monday. 🙂 He’s not my favorite either, but I do have high hopes for him.

  141. JonJon says:

    its in drafts mate..was gonna ut it up today but you beat me to it.. 😉

  142. avenell says:

    Sorry jj.. I have just had a peep.. 😉

    jerry is the answer you are right mr beach..

  143. JonJon says:

    as always old son.. 😉

  144. agirlagunner says:

    Good night, kids! 🙂 Have a good Saturday night.

  145. JonJon says:

    cheers AGAG

  146. Adam says:

    Sorry mate but Cesc really isnt at fault!! He has handled himself well during Barcas horrible lure tactics! He hasnt come out and said how he wants to get out of Arsenal as soon as possible and that he doesn’t care, he obviously does 🙂 you cant blame him for wanting to go to Barca where he grew up and lived for most of his life! Its Barca at fault here not Cesc, he also had a great season last year.

    And Flamini wasnt treated that badly just compared to Cesc he wasnt given as much care. We need to treat all our players the same. But Flamini didnt help his case either

  147. avenell says:

    Hi adam.

    I do blame Cesc for signing a 6 year contract and taking the money that comes with it only to want to want to walk after 2.. at least have the morals to stay for 3/4 of it..

    If Cesc liked spain so much.. he shouldn’t have signed on Arsenals dotted line..

    If he had of stayed at Barca he wouldn’t have a world cup medal.. this is the thanks we get.

  148. Adam says:

    I hear what your saying, your hurt and so am I. I thought I knew Cesc better and expected him to be loyal but he hasn’t left yet, and from reports ( which I dont always take as true) they are telling us he is staying for at least another year. He has given us 8 years and in football terms today that is quite good, its as much as Titi gave us 🙂 All im saying is that I hope he stays and that we should get behind him if he does! I mean like saying stuff like we dont want him is being just as disrespectful to his opinion as were saying he is to us, double standards. Great post by the way

  149. JonJon says:

    im off for the night ave i’ll speak to you tomorrow..

  150. avenell says:

    Thanks Adam..

    Those 8 years are a two way thing though, Arsenal allowed him to play with some of our great players and gave him a chance to play first team football. He would never have got that where he was.

    Yes I am hurt, I hate losing a great player, but we need to do the best for Arsenal. In my opinion we don’t owe Cesc anything and like a poster said earlier if we could get a better deal from Real Madrid for him by taking a couple of their players whose faces don’t fit then I would rather.

    Cesc will obviously turn his nose up at that move, but if RM offer £10 million more than Barca I know where I would push him to go. It also gives us some negotiating power over Barca.

  151. avenell says:

    Okay JJ.. what time are you posting?

  152. JonJon says:

    bwt midday

  153. avenell says:

    Pukka time me old mukka.. 🙂

  154. SuperMac says:

    Hello from a Norwegian Gooner in Austria… Thx for a great site.

    I have been on both traningssession today, and this is my input to this site.
    The morningsession was most running and AW drill some defensive stuff, and some freekicks. Nasri and Song shots best, and none leftfooted player score from freekics.. (VanP was not there) In the evning AW played a game with 20 players. In the Green team :
    Alm1 – Sagna, Clichy, Djou20, Håvard – Song, Nasri, AA23 – Vela, Cha29
    They played against the Yellow for 6 short halfs, total of 30 min. In the Yellow team :
    Vito – Eboue, Gibbs, Kos6, Verm5 – Frimpong, Rosicky, Walcott – JET, Wilshere.
    (Maybe this two sides will play each half on tuesday)
    The Yellow team won 2-0 after goals from JET and a lovley chip from Wilshere. Both goals came in the first 10 min. What I saw : The Green team struggle to create chances. Only Nasri impresses me in front of goal (in the Green team) AA23 tried to pass Eboue 5-6 times without luck, and he looked no good at the moment. Nobody runs more than Eboue today. JET and Jack impresses me inside the box. Vito and Alm1 made some good saves, and I think AW will play them on tuesday. I think all of the 4 CD played well. Kos6 was very good and gave Cha29 no chances. Verm5 and Kos6 could be our CD-pair this year. Just before the end Djou20 fouled Wilshere, and he stays down…. But he walked out and looks OK.
    Today Eastmond runs on his own, and Diaby (calf), Traore (hamstring), Henderson and Landsbury did not show up at all. Fabi and Szczesny was there, but did not play the game.
    Thats all from Bad Walterdorf !!

  155. avenell says:

    You are very much welcome on here SuperMac.. please come back and comment again.. I loved MM he was the main man, I remember going to his last game at highbury when he came on as a sub and scored (but it got disallowed 😦 )
    That comment was very informative and may you do many more.

    I think Arsene has given RvP and Cesc an extra week off btw.

  156. SuperMac says:

    Thx avenell. I met MM on the last game at Highbury in 2006. I was a big fan of him i the 70`s…

  157. avenell says:

    Morning all..

    Great news about Torres leaving the Dippers.. as long as he doesn’t go to the Chavs. or the north Chavs.

  158. JonJon says:

    NEW POST

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