Cesc, the Fans and BARCA ………. What’s up?

For the last few weeks there has been a gradual souring of the fans feelings for Cesc Fabregas. There has been a mishmash of emotional and contractual ennui and contradictory statements arising from the fans, player and clubs.

So what is going on?

What are the rights and wrongs of this upsetting (to the fans) and unsatisfactory situation we find ourselves in?

Football reflects the normal human social and political values and mores. When you think of great human love affairs they will have almost certainly been between two consenting individuals; Samson and Delilah, Romeo and Juliet, Tom and Jerry, and so on.
Not so with the compact between the Football Club, the Player and the Fans. This is a three party deal and is inherently unstable as a result. Everyone knows that when a great affair starts to go wrong, lovers know only too well how to hurt each other deeply and sometimes unintentionally.

What is this “compact”, this understanding between the three parties?

A) The player. He needs to bring high level skills, hard work and “heart” to the party to achieve team success in Leagues and Cups.

B) The club. The club needs to reward the player with untold treasures (dosh) dependent on their assessment of the player’s part in achieving the Clubs aims of successfully winning trophies. They also need to ensure there are other quality players in the team to achieve their mutual aspirations.

C) The Fans. The fans will support and love their club forever, through thick and thin. No Less! They will also love, respect and idolise their players during their careers at Arsenal and for the rest of their lives. They will also rejoice and glory in the Club’s/Player’s success and dutifully gloat to opposition fans and players whenever and wherever possible. Without fail!
When things go well, everyone knows their role the club is successful and life is blissful!

But like all relationships things can, and do, go badly wrong. How is that characterised?

1. The Player. The player (e.g. Almunia, Denilson, and Diaby) will sometimes not be able to meet the standards of skill, endeavour or heart expected of him. The fans will lose respect and will withdraw their love, and wish the Club to sell them on. The skilful player can become disillusioned with the Club’s perceived lack of ambition, in not buying additional suitably skilful, hardworking players to help achieve success, and eventually will want to move on to a more ambitious club.

2. The Club. The club can decide a player(s) is no longer suitable and will wish to transfer him/them. Or the Club will decide the player is excellent, despite the views of the fans, and persevere with him beyond all reason. The club may antagonise the fans, by recognising the need to recruit new players but choose not to do so because of other financial goals or priorities set by the management.

3. The Fans. The fans may take a vehement dislike to a player. They may become dissatisfied and/or disillusioned with the Clubs transfer policy. They may be appalled by the Club’s lack of transparency and inability to communicate to them, or, worse to dissemble and bend the truth. (Commonly known as “spinning”).

When the compact is broken for any of the above reasons, the Club or the Player reaches for “The Contract”, in the same way other more intimate relationships reach for the “Pre-Nuptial Agreement”.
Note: at this point, the other party to the compact, the fan, is expected to sod off and await the outcome, while remaining in total ignorance of what is going on!

The Legal and related Issues. OH, DEAR!

This is why the world is full of wealthy lawyers.

This whole area is complex and fraught with “booby traps”.

Unlike you or me, footballers’ contracts are overseen by a number of overlapping authorities each with their own regulations and requirements. I am NOT going into all that. It is boring and would take forever.
Suffice to say; footballers are covered by the usual European statutory employment and human rights laws, as well as by the regulations of the game’s governing bodies FIFA and UEFA and the individual player’s terms and conditions, as agreed with the Club, and written into their contracts.
If statutory laws are broken, inevitably there will be another “Bosman” ruling.

So what, you may ask?

The first thing a lawyer will say to his client is “SAY NOTHING!” At this stage of the proceedings, marital or contractual, the big issue is usually money!
Leaving aside the abominable role played by Barca and its players, Cesc has clearly felt there is a breach of the compact rules between him and the Club, as shown above. I leave you to make your own minds up as to what that breach is, and whether or not it can be fixed.

We need to bear in mind that for centuries, parts of Spain have tried to be independent countries in their own right. The Basque and Catalan regions fought as part of a bitter and bloody civil war between the republicans and the fascists during the mid to late 1930’s, before General Franco came to power.
These memories are still deep within the Catalan psyche and will also be part of Cesc’s current problems. Irrespective of any breach of the “compact”, he will have been very flattered by the desire of his fellow Catalans for him to join them, and cannot afford to offend, not just them, but the whole o f Catalonia by telling them to get stuffed for making inappropriate public overtures.
Therefore, he cannot come out and say either” I want to stay” or “I want to go” without mortally upsetting a great number of people on either side, let alone the legal ramifications regarding his contract.

I am also sure he loves Arsenal and the Gooners who, in turn, love him.

I suggest we give him room to sort out all these conflicting emotions and contractual niceties and reflect that, if Arsenal had replaced its star players over the last few years, none of us would be in this unenviable position.

For those of you who have stuck with me to the end, a very big thank you.

Arsenal forever!


Written by Red Arse, but you knew that 🙂

45 Responses to Cesc, the Fans and BARCA ………. What’s up?

  1. rico says:

    Morning all…

  2. rico says:

    I’m sure Cesc loves Arsenal, but i’m sure he loves the prospect of playing for Barca more, being home with his family…

    Cesc is obviously tired and needs a rest from football. At least if he goes to Barca he’ll get one while sat on the bench!!

    Or maybe he just wants to go back to his younger days when going to watch a footie match with his mates was fun…

    Why would anyone want to join a club knowing you are going to be a sub week in week out??

    Hleb won the league with Barca, but having played little part in it he wasnt happy was he…

  3. Suhail.TV says:

    Hello Rico, Am early today!!
    ..and I know Cesc Love Barsenal 😉

  4. Suhail.TV says:

    Rose,whatever sour or sweet, I dont think Wenger can find an able replacement for this season. so..

  5. rico says:

    Morning rose and STV, two other early birds 🙂

    for sure he’ll be a sucess but not next season at barca 😉

  6. GF60 says:

    I wish the Cesc knockers would try and put themselves in his position. And then ask themselves how they would have done anything different?

    He still loves Arsenal and obviously is very embarrassed at all the crap being stirred by that bunch of vertical smiles…but, it is his home town and Mum’n’Dad presumably are carping on about rarely seeing him.

    To me, he’s still the ultimate professional.

  7. rico says:

    Didn’t realise that Neil Banfield is now involved in the first team coaching and Liam Brady has taken over the reserves…

  8. Suhail.TV says:

    Gotta go.. back in 3 hrs..

  9. rico says:

    GF60, but why cant he just talk, tell us how it really is, than maybe some of us would respect his decision more.

    Right now he seems content to let the barca antics continue…

  10. rico says:

    STV, i’ll be gone by then probably so i’ll see you sometime monday… have a good un 😉

  11. Kriss says:

    Cesc is in a horrible position of deciding where to go. He is between what made him & where he could be, no-one can be truly upset with Cesc if he chooses his home, it is his right to do so, for whatever reasons he may have! As an Arsenal fan I want him to stay & continue to give his best & play his heart out for us, but as a person, we all know that to give ur best, u have to be at ur best & that means his happiness must be his first priority. I hope his happiness is with us, but I’m still nervous as to his decision & wish him the best wherever he goes!
    Arsenal Forever!!!

  12. Goonerpower says:

    Give him room!!! I understand he wanted to go back, but saying your staying while he is still with arsenal then as soon as he gets with the Spain squad……….he says nish. I totally defended him before the world cup now I just don’t want him at the club. It seems pointless only to lose him next season with same merry-go-round again!! I wish it could be different but it ain’t.

  13. Fabo[4] says:

    To Rico, I’m not sure what you’re basing your opinion about Cesc being benched week in week out. He will play most weeks next to Xavi. Did you forget Keita played there most of last season. Is Cesc better than him? Iniesta will play wide mostly and with his injury record coupled with the fact that Xavi isn’t getting younger I’m sure Cesc will get his fair share of games.
    Let’s not get bitter about this and take the money and reinvest it in out team. Ozil anyone?

  14. Conrado says:

    Cesc is the best midfielder in the world. He won’t sit the bench at Barcelona.

  15. rico says:

    Goonerpower, i understand exactly where you are coming from..

    If this deal were to go through in the last couple of days of this window, we are stuffed, we won’t have time to replace him, it takes wenger too long to sort transfers out.

    if the club know he’s going, then put him up for sale and take the best offer, in excess of £50M!!

    Like you say, this time next summer it will be just the same…

  16. rico says:

    Fabo, its just my own opinion….

  17. rico says:

    Ozil is up for £15M, should we not be going for him regardless of Cesc??

  18. impish says:

    sell him i say,…he isnt the be all and end all of arsenal,..i have a feeling puyol,xavi and the rest are correct,they are with him even now,he must have spoken to them about his future,…he is clearly made up his mind as it is,so i say,arsenal is bigger and better than any individual player,..lets float his name in the transfer market,..and take the highest bid(i hope real madrid or manchester city bid for him)…then buy nobody(we have enough cover with nasri,rosicky,wilshere,arshavin,frimpong)…just mind our defence and win the title.thats what i say…i could be wrong ofcourse.

  19. Red Arse says:

    Morning Rico, Rose Suhail and all,

    The early responses show how hurt fans are with what has gone on with the disgusting Barca circus circling like vultures around Cesc, and yet we all still realise what a brilliant player he is.

    There are many influences pulling Cesc this way and that and only time will tell what happens and when.

    Clearly the “compact” affects every player and we must not forget, the Club bear a huge responsibilty in not replacing the loss of quality players with other quality players.

    If we were winning trophies Cesc’s “concerns” would be much less problematic.

  20. arsenaldejectedfan says:

    fabregas sucks……..leave him to rot on our bench
    since he doesnt mind benchwarming

  21. Erick says:

    Morning all nice post RA and the Cesc saga is getting boring 😦 Real Madrid should just buy him because the stains have no dosh respect and brains

  22. Fabo[4] says:

    Fair enough Rico.

    I do agree that with the money swilling around at the Arsenal we should be trying to sign players like Ozil regardless of whether someone leaves or not.

    We’ve seen Man U do this for years (when they had money), winning the league and still improving on their squad in the summer, not resting on their laurels.

    I know we have been distracted by he Cesc situation but what happens if Vermaelen picks up an injury?

  23. Donnyfan1 says:

    Every player has his price. Cesc will go back to Barca AND he loves Arsenal. He knows Barca are trying to get him on the cheap and he doesn’t want that. If he plays for us next year it will be no let down. If we improve this next season and even challenge Barca as the kings of cool football he will love that. If Barca want him this year or next year- they will have to pay 60m or whatever his true value is. Cesc and AW want it that way. So if he stays- he is still our captain and talisman and he will do what he always does- give his all. Support him because no-one deserves more support than him.

  24. Erick says:

    Emotional message from Eduardo at Ars.com so touching he will always be a gunner we will mis you Dudu always be looking out for your sweet finishes

  25. rico says:

    Hi RA and Erick, great piece RA, thanks again…

    All the besteset to Dudu, indeed Erick… 😉

  26. rico says:

    Right all, thats me done for a few days…

    Be good and catch up next week, TTFN 🙂

  27. Red Arse says:

    Bye Rico, and don’t be good! 😉

  28. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters.. long time no see.. 😦

    Some great posts from you Mr Red Arse.. thank you.

    Did anyone see the game last night.. I only saw the last half hour JET looked superb.. far better than that bloke we pay £60k a week to.

  29. Uncle P says:

    Arsene Wenger, please sell FABREGAS and give arsenal a loyal team.

  30. RUUD says:

    wenger pls let fabregas go…he has told u that he wants to leave….pls let him go, so the young generation prove themselves…

  31. arlu says:

    hello everyone,i think wenger is wating for barca to come up with the goods(£50 million probably)and he will let cesc leave,cos cesc has made clear to wenger that he wants to play for barca next seasion.

  32. Red Arse says:

    Thanks Ave,

    Not much cop but I like to help out Rico, occasionally.

    My computer keeps having problems so I suspect I will only be around for a limited period today. (might be my line or Norton) 😦

    I gave JJ a brief and not very scientific run down of the players last night, but the main concern for me was still the defence.

    There is no muscle on any of them. Drogba/Davies etc must be grinning if they watched thaty last night. If Wenger is relying on 36 year old Campbell to provide the muscle, we are in deep doodoo. Anyway Campbell is effing about, doesn’t Wenger have any pride?

  33. Red Arse says:

    Cesc will go guys. It’s just a matter of time.

    As with every thing in life, if Barca pay the required money they can have him now. The lower their offer the longer it will take.

    Money/time. Time/money.

  34. Red Arse says:

    I have watched JET since he was 13.

    He has always been a big lad with fantastic skills, up there with best. He has now bulked up and will eventually be a top star.

    Hopefully with us, unless Wenger messe him around.

  35. oliver says:

    morning all. good piece ra. i will continue to support our captain until he is either transferred (which will happen eventually) or gives us less than his best (which i do not think will ever happen). consider that cesc is at home in spain right now, almost certainly hearing the daily drip-drip-drip of specualation, and friends/family members urging him to force arsenal’s hand – this from some people likely very close to him – it cannot be easy. lets give him a break and let him figure things out – do not turn against him or assume the worst just because he has not personally reasurred you. i just don’t think it is that simple with all the external pressures on him right now. i think too many of us are quick to assume cesc will do a manny ramirez and shoot his way out of town (as manny did with boston). i cannot see cesc doing something like that. if arsenal do decide to negotiate and a deal which suits all parties is worked out, i am sure cesc will be happy to swap shirts. if that does not happen, however, i am very confident he will lead our team and give his all for us.

  36. oliver says:

    has anyone gotten a bit misty reading dudu’s farewell? i confess that i have…

  37. Suhail.TV says:

    Cesc likes Arselona.. and Want to be ar Barcenal in this season.. so lets wait n see
    Hi, all..

  38. Kipmonster says:

    I am proposing that Arsenal fans World wide post letters once a week for the next four weeks to UEFA & FIFA complaining about Barcelona FC’s persistent public ‘tapping up’ of Cesc Fabregas.
    Also post a letter just once to Arsenal FC requesting that they formally complain to UEFA & FIFA about Barcelona FC’s rule breaking disrespectful behaviour.
    I have drawn up 3 template letters that I will email to willing participants. All that you will need to do is type in your own Name & Address before printing off & posting.
    A momentum is needed in this regard & can be boosted by you forwarding the email I send you to every single one of your Arsenal FC supporting family & friends and encouraging them to post letters off once every week for four weeks to UEFA & FIFA and just once to Arsenal FC.
    The aim of repetitive letters would be to create an Administrative headache for UEFA & FIFA with hopefully thousands of letters received from all over the world. It would be a great way to display the strength of feeling from Arsenal FC fans.
    The purpose of the single letter to Arsenal FC is again to display the strength of feeling from Arsenal FC fans.
    The Arsenal FC hierarchy seem to exist in an ‘Ivory Tower’ immune or just simply ignorant to the feelings & wishes of their fans.

    My email address for this campaign from where I will email you the letter templates is ……..


    COME ON !! …… Lets DO this & be taking substantive action for a change instead of simply bleating on web blogs which achieves nothing as it goes unnoticed by those who should hear the complaints the most.

    I will post this on the anti Barca facebook group ………….


    & also on as many Arsenal blogs as possible via ……………


  39. agirlagunner says:

    Great one, RA. 🙂 Marriage does seem to be an apt analogy. YKW’s sordid affair with the stains is looking ever likelier to result in an acrimonious parting of ways. 😦 It rankles that it is within his power to do something about it, and he has said and done nothing at all.

    Good evening, all. And, Kipmonster, I’m on it… 🙂

  40. eve says:

    its not cesc we are all pissed at its barca, if they had gone about this the right way they might of got cesc by now and this waiting and wondering would be over, instead we have to continue to fret and worry that we are going to lose our captain, i was as many upset at losing our dudu, i know one person doesnt make a team but when you see them every week you get to love these players(some you dont)and it hurts when they leave, its gonna be worse if/when we lose cesc.

  41. DeiseGooner says:

    “I have watched JET since he was 13”
    “He has always been a big lad”

    WTF Red

    In the shower was it??

    Just kiddin 😉

  42. agirlagunner says:

    DG, naughty, naughty.

    It’s all very quiet in here… Good night, all. 🙂

  43. oliver says:

    hi agag, if you are still present, that is. i was on a mets blog earlier. the knives are out for jerry, so i posted in support of him – the team is playing terrible, in a prolonged slump, but i am trying to argue against the scapegoating and quick fix that so many mets fans want. as usual, i am in the distinct minority.

  44. DeiseGooner says:

    mets suck ass and the sooner jerry is cut the better

    hey jerry
    yes coach
    you’re cut

  45. Shower Bench says:

    jerry has done some good things for the team, you can’t deny that in fairness!

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