Striker signed and given the No9 shirt!! Jack set for stay, Papa speaks…

Why can’t Arsene Wenger announce a player with this girls kind of statistics??

Arsenal Ladies Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of striker Ellen White from Leeds Carnegie.

Ellen White has been signed from Leeds Carnegie, she’s twenty-one years old, made 31 appearances last season and scored 23 goals. Pre Leeds she played for Chelsea and just like in the mens game, Chelsea and Arsenal are bitter rivals, so this is a great signing for the ladies side…

Ellen has represented England at all levels and made her senior debut in March this year..

On signing Ellen White said:

“This is a pretty massive deal for me. Obviously Arsenal Ladies are the biggest women’s football team in the country and Europe and pretty much all over the world, so it is a massive move for me. I’m delighted and really excited to get started.”

Vic Akers has assured all fans of the ladies side that two more signings and good ones too will be secured by the beginning of their new season.

Mmme, wonder if he is a tad more honest about signings than old Arsene πŸ™‚

Some good news yesterday about Jack Wilshere, reports are he’s not off on loan to Bolton but instead he’s staying put and will be a part of the first team next season. Does this spell the end of the Joe Cole rumours about him joining us? I would think so but according to The Daily Star, we are overwhelming favourites to sign him. We should know by the end of the week.

Other news is Wenger has dismissed any suggestion that Eduardo is to be offloaded, he has said that big things are expected of our No9 this coming season…

Good to see the photos of the big boys back in training, here they all are in case you haven’t seen them yet..

Papa Cesc has had this to say’ about that gaff’ …

“It was a day of celebration and anything goes. If anyone misinterprets it, they have to see that it was part of a celebration,” Francesc Fabregas told COM Radio.

“Cesc has it very clear what Arsenal has been and is for him. He is super grateful to them and it has never crossed his mind to do something wrong towards them.

“Cesc said what he wanted to do (sign for Barca) the day after the end of the league so that Arsenal had time to react.

“It would have been nasty to say it today, when they are almost on the verge of starting the pre-season.

“But he always did so thinking about Arsenal. It remains to be seen how everything turns out.”

So, if you believe Papa, Cesc has asked to leave……

Reports this morning are that Cesc has also spoken saying pretty much the same as his Papa. He asks that all the talk about him and Barca be cooled and ‘what will be, will be’……

Interpret from that what you choose……

Have a good day all….


136 Responses to Striker signed and given the No9 shirt!! Jack set for stay, Papa speaks…

  1. rico says:

    Morning all…

  2. MidnightMoor says:

    what will be is that we wont sell him to them lot unless they pay an obscene amount (which they cant) – just hope fans dont give him a hard time next season…

  3. Kudos says:

    Yay πŸ™‚

  4. rico says:

    MM, by the sounds of what was being said around the blog world yesterday, he could be in for a tough time.. i think that is exactly what barca are hoping for…

  5. SharkeySure says:

    Blog world….?? Don’t let a small band of loud mouthed lunatics fool you.

  6. Red Arse says:

    Morning Rico, nice and early! πŸ™‚

    You are right about Vic Akers style re the Arsenal Womens signings. Actually, I thought he had resigned as the womens manager at the end of last season, I must have got that wrong.

    The Cesc merry go round speeds up with his dad again putting in his tuppence worth.

    I looked up the sources of the two items we were discussing yesterday, but you may have gone, so they are on yesterdays post if you wanted to see them.

  7. rico says:

    Hey Sharkey, hope your right otherwise all that will happen is he will use it as another excuse to leave…

  8. rico says:

    Morning RA

    He is no longer the manger, but is the general manager and deals with the signings, they have a lady manager now who’s name escapes me πŸ˜‰

  9. Red Arse says:

    Thanks for the clarification Rico.

    Did you see that the England womens’ hockey team beat the Germans yesterday. Excellent! Makes up for the Kiwis beating us at cricket and levelling the series. πŸ™‚

  10. Pat7 says:

    Morning all.

    Rico – you missed the point that White was with Arsenal from the age of 7 until she left the club not long ago for Leeds & Chelsea in order to get a game. Now the space was there for her to return!

    RA – VA is not their manager but must be the equivalent of Director of football & still seems to have hiring & firing duties.

  11. rico says:

    cheeky – I didn’t see either 😦

  12. Pat7 says:

    Good to see the early post Rico. I’m 2 hours in front here so have to wait ‘ages’ to get the news.

  13. Red Arse says:

    The good thing about Arsene being back is how quickly he can stop rumours in their tracks.

    There has been a lot of speculation about Eduardo leaving. “No he’s not”, said Wenger, “I am expecting big things from him this season”. That’s put that one to bed.

    Now to smash the Cesc nonsense. Come on Arsene, one big bold clear statement to Barca, “Sod off”. πŸ™‚

  14. rico says:

    Anyone know when the Under 20’s footie starts or has it started??

  15. rico says:

    Thanks Pat πŸ™‚

    He’s done that already though RA when they put the first bid in, he told them no and not at any price will he be leaving…

    Its the media and us fans who see it differently πŸ˜‰

  16. Pat7 says:

    ….and another to say Here’s Honda, Frey, Schweinsteiger……………….

  17. Pat7 says:

    Where do you get those smiley faces from. Being a non-techno fart I can only use LOL. LOL!

  18. Red Arse says:

    Hi Pat7,

    She has had a terrific career for Arsenal and England and I was sorry when she was lured away. I’m pleased she is back.

    I’m going to join you in Cyprus next month, although in the other “country”, near Paphos. I don’t know why, because it is always too hot for a wimp like me. πŸ™‚

  19. terry says:


  20. terry says:


  21. rico says:

    Pat, hover your cursor over the smiley and it will show you what to type ..

  22. Pat7 says:

    RA – you’re 3 hours away there; we had to visit my eldest’s girlfriend to collect some CDs & books. You should come in the cooler months i.e. other than July & August

  23. Red Arse says:


    Rico taught me a couple of weeks ago.

    type : – ) all joined up, and leave spaces at either end. You will see the typed colon, dash etc but when it gets on the screen it will be transformed. πŸ™‚ 😦 πŸ˜€

    Good luck.

    Am doing my Long John Silver act down to the Doc, see you later! πŸ˜‰

  24. terry says:


  25. Red Arse says:


    You are right! I’ve done it often enough, but I’m a plonker! 😦

  26. rico says:

    good luck RA

  27. terry says:

    thats pretty awsum… πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€ πŸ™‚

  28. rico says:

    you can tell there’s very little footie news… πŸ˜‰

    ‘Arry going after Bellamy and Richards….

  29. terry says:

    which youngster do u think will get promoted to the first team this season and who do think deserves it the most

  30. Matt says:

    Is it just me who doesnt think Eduardo staying is a good thing?

    I like him but last season he was ineffective to say the least!

  31. rico says:

    terry, i reckon there could be a few, Lansbury and Boetang top my list though…

    And, all the time Fulham ask Β£4M for Schwarzer I can see Chensey in goal..

  32. Pat7 says:

    RA – what’s up with your leg? 😦

  33. rico says:

    Hi Matt, good to see you here…

    Eduardo is a funny one, part of me believes he would be better off in a less physical league but while there is hope he could retain his strength and form he is a classy player. Still not convinced he will get over that tackle though, sadly…

  34. Pat7 says:

    No Matt, if we can get the old Dudu back he’ll be gold dust to our team converting the half chances that appear. With a mental break over the summer & pre-season behind him after watching the WC he’ll be raring to go (hopes). Can’t wait to see him back!

  35. rico says:

    The under 19’s Euro begins on Sunday, got my age group wrong, all matches shown on Eurosport so a good chance to check out a few of our young players…

  36. terry says:

    eduardo never really had the pace…. what he had was finishing….
    he will never be a good striker in a 433 formation…. however if wenger decides to play him a 442 then he will be awsum…. atleast 20 goals next season…

  37. rico says:

    He just needs a goal early in the season, suspect he will play in all the friendlies with Nik and Robin both missing.. Could be very interesting if he and Chamakh hit it off from the start, what will Arsene do then??

  38. Pat7 says:

    Every day that goes on I can’t see the Schwartzer move coming off either Rico. Β£4M for him….it wasn’t that long ago we could have had Given for was it Β£1.5M? Frey sounds more likely now.

  39. rico says:

    Frey does look fav now with Boruc signing, i haven’t see Frey play for yonks but he ‘was’ quite good wasn’t he πŸ˜‰

  40. Pat7 says:

    Thanks for that Rico, I’ll watch out for them!

    Terry – you’re dead right there, but I think we could revert back to a 451 with more fluidity of movement now we have mastered the 433, especially now we have Chamakh to win headers & control the ball in a way NB was unable to & I’m sure HE knows the offside rule unlike Ade! πŸ™‚

  41. rico says:

    Me too, i think we have 4/5 players involved, france, holland, england…

    Chamakh is good with his head and has a great spring to his step, Eduardo and Vela will both be like new signings πŸ˜‰

  42. terry says:

    hahaha thats true…. that fatc that wenger has decided not to sell eddy makes me feel that we will play 433 and 442 next season…. depending upon our opponents….

    but who do u think will play on the left wing a 442 arshavin/vela…. i dont think so as due their lack of defending we would be totally exposend on the left side of midfield….

    wenger need to think a lot before making any signings …. he will not buy a def mid back up(i.e. melo) until we let denielson go ….. plus we have lansbury and norvidt(i dont know his name) commin to the first team next season…

  43. rico says:

    terry, its possible that Nordveit could play in midfield too, he has played in that position last season whilst on loan i think..

    Sadly, I think he will stick with Diaby on the left in a 4 man midfield…

    Lansbury – i hope he plays this weekend, he’s a box to box player, maybe the ‘new paddy’ πŸ˜‰

  44. Pat7 says:

    Nordveldt could be the 4th CB but that would be taking a gamble so would prefer an experienced regular (signing).

    I don’t know where Lansbury will get a look in but Vela should be given a series of games to show what he’s worth although again he could be out of commission with Mexico(?).

  45. rico says:

    Hi Rose, how you doing??

  46. Hopper says:

    Fabregas would like to leave. Not desperate to leave. Would not have any problem in staying. Will be staying.End of story. Frey, Melo and Sakho please & Thanks.

  47. rico says:

    Pat, Nordveit has asked where his future is at Arsenal, this is his last year of his contact i think so its kind of now or never i would suspect. I think i read if he has no playing time he will leave…

    Re Lansbury, december 09 he signed a new long-term contact and wenger said he will be a huge player for us – if he has worked on his defensive side to his game while at Watford, i wouldn’t be too surprised to see him challenging both Diaby and Denilson…

    Maybe this is why wenger rules out signing an attacking midfielder, we have so many, big question though is are any of them ready yet?

  48. rico says:

    Hi Hopper, well he should like to leave, he should love to stay… πŸ˜‰

  49. terry says:

    the best thing about nordveit is that he has played at cb and def mid last season on loan… so he would be very valuable next season… and diaby on the left of midfield means total disaster…. i would play traore ahed of him as left mid…. diaby is good only when he plays as central mid…. apart from that position he totally sucks

  50. terry says:

    melo and sakho……… would love them at arsenal…….wid them next season no one can stop us from winnin the league……

  51. rico says:

    terry, i not keen on seeing diaby in any role to be honest.. would def play Traore on the left wing, he has pace, a cross and is now better defensively..

  52. terry says:

    i dont like diaby as well but we cannot deny that he actually brings a lot a physical presence to our midfield….

  53. terry says:

    i would love felleni insted of diaby… both play the same role…. if wecould get him for 15m and sell diaby for 10m it would be superb business

  54. rico says:

    trouble is though terry, he blows hot and cold and mostly cold even in central midfield. if he has one of his many off days we start on the back foot and its like having ten men..

    look at the first game against barca, he was away with the fairies, for me he is too unreliable…

  55. rico says:

    i’d have me playing rather than diaby πŸ˜‰

  56. rico says:

    how about sell denilson aswell for 5M and no money lost…

  57. terry says:

    but everton will never sell him at 15m though…..

    and to be frank i would not mind sellin both for 10m

    arsene really is a great manager….jus put ourself in his postion and think… he has talanted young players in front of him… who are beggin for one chance to play in our team… and we all want him to buy new players with experience….

    how can he kill the hope of those kids who have been playing for us for 4-5 yers watin for this oppourtunity…

  58. rico says:

    I think he is a top manager, one of the best in the world, but, where he has let him self down is by ‘making do’ whilst waiting for the younger players to be ready..

    we should have kept Gilberto, Pires, Diarra – or four years ago, bought older players who would be coming to the end of their prime this/next season. but what we had to see was the like of Almunia, Silvestre, Diaby, Denilson, Eboue (on the left) all we needed was 2/3 mature players to hold the fort…

  59. rico says:

    How the heck can England go up in the world rankings after such a dire showing in SA…

  60. rico says:

    Good thanks Rose, just waiting for a signing or two πŸ˜‰

  61. Hopper says:

    Arshavin,Fabregas,Van Persie

  62. Icedre218 says:

    The opening line of this blog is ‘Why can’t Arsene Wenger announce a player with this girls kind of statistics??’
    The reason Wenger can’t buy someone like this for the mens team is that an english lad with 23 goals in 31 games will cost over Β£40m and i bet she cost less than a mil.

  63. rico says:

    Icedre, you get my drift, surely??

  64. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rico,

    I’ve hopped back. πŸ™‚

    What did you think of the Zak Ansah thing?

  65. rico says:

    Hi RA, hope the knee is a little better …

    The boys a bit of a twurp really…

  66. oliver says:

    morning rico, et al. i am hoping wilshere stays with us and actually gets some regular first team opportunities. perhaps this is posturing relative to negotiations for a potential g. cahill transfer. if we can sign cahill, then i will be happy to let wilshere go on loan. if bolton do not want to do business with us, that is their right – but we should exercise the same right and look at loaning wilshere elsewhere – if, that is, he will not get regualar first team opportunities.

  67. rico says:

    hi oliver, speculation is he’s staying because of Ramsey being out and the saga with you know who…

  68. rico says:

    Henry has signed for the New York Red Bulls – thats good for you oliver??

  69. rico says:

    got to pop off for an hour or so, laters…

  70. oliver says:

    hi rico. if cesc is transferred this summer, i would think his spot in the starting eleven will be nasri’s to lose – which, considering nasri’s injury history and sometimes-inconsistent form, is entirely possible. plus, a cesc transfer to barca may increase pressure on arsene to give our younger (british) players more of an opportunity for the first team. wilshere’s future is here, so if he is ready and has a legit shot at getting regular first team action, i would like him to stay. if he does not have a shot at being a regular, he will need to see regular playing time somewhere.

  71. oliver says:

    i wish th14 did not sign in mls. that is where washed-up former stars go for big paydays. i would rather he either retired or ended his career at home in france. red bulls may be my hometown team, but the idea of washed-up former european stars finishing their careers on big wages here is distateful – we (usa) should be developing our younger players for the national team, not serving as a golden parachute of sorts. that is not in any way disrespectful for th14, who will always be legend to me. when the red bulls were the metrostars, their mo was big name, past-it european stars: lothar matthaus came to ny after bayern no longer wanted him – right around 2000 – and that was a disaster. even worse was metrostars signing youri djorkaeff in 2006 – he gave them little and disappeared during the middle of the season. was seen in germany watching his boys (france) play in the world cup! story i heard – cannot confirm – was that he had some sort of agreement with the team that he go go on leave to watch the world cup, in the middle of the domestic season! so i wish th14 did not do this – i do not think it will do much for his legacy, and i do not think it helps the mls and usa football much either, considering where th14 is in his career.

  72. DeiseGooner says:

    Surely Henry has more to offer the game? Hes only 32, why not even go to France or Spain?

    Who is the guy battling Traore in pic 8?

  73. rico says:

    Boo, what have i missed??

  74. rico says:

    Isn’t that JET DG??

  75. rico says:

    oliver, re your earlier, agree it has to be nasri to fill the roll, however, i honestly don’t think he is up to it, another player who blows hot and cold.. maybe though as he’s now had chance to settle in things may change…

    if cesc does go i really hope we spend the 60M on a quality player, VDV or similar…

    i still think we should try and get Babel from the dippers…

  76. oliver says:

    nasri played well in that role – in flashes. unfortunately, as he and cesc are both ideally suited for that role, nasri’s opportunities are few and far between. i am more than a little worried at his injury history. he probably needs an extended run in that position. we’ll see what happens. if we do wind up transferring cesc this summer, i agree that we need to spend the money – i am generally against “show” signings, but if this happens i think it will be important to add a world-class, proven, established player. we have depth in the positions normally associated with this type signing (forward, attacking midfield), but it will be imperative to bring in someone who will generate excitement and tell the fans we are serious about building a winning team. developing from within is a way to do that, but you cannot keep selling your best players and replacing them from within – continuing to do that makes us ajax.

  77. rico says:

    agree Oliver, i think my comment made it look as i hoped we would spend 60M on one player, i don’t mean that, i mean just get a ready made proper replacement, well, as near as we can get. If cesc goes, lets not make do….

  78. Pat7 says:

    I think if Cesc goes AW will break his record & pay Β£20M + for a replacement & use the rest for more quality. I’m sure he’s got them in mind already if not lined up but ideally he’d keep Cesc until Ramsey is ready.

  79. oliver says:

    we’ll see what happens with cesc. if anything, the events over the past few days have strengthened my premise….i think we are covered for depth at his position, but a transfer at this point will make arsenal look as though we can be bullied, and add to the perception we are an ajax-type selling club: great name and history, but prioritizing player development and sales proceeds over winning. i do not think that is the case with arsenal, but things are approaching the point where the club will need to do something to debunk that “myth”.

  80. Pat7 says:

    It’s a shame he didn’t buy Alonso by spending that extra 2M not that long ago…..that would have been some bargain in hindsight!

  81. oliver says:

    hah, that again! i am clearly in the minority, but i still contend there is no way that liverpool would ever have sold alonso to us….that 2 million – some have quoted as little as 200K – would not have made a jot of difference.

  82. agirlagunner says:

    hola, rico. I think I am back (service provider delivering; fingers crossed). I hope for all our skes, that Jack does not go out on loan. If he is to shine in the coming season, it is only right that he does in our kit. I cannot stand YKW right now. He grows less likeable by the day… I guess he’s “immersing”– after all, he does seem bent on joining the most loathsome lot on the planet.

    hi, oliver. Nasri had a long spell on center mid when YKW was out. Other than the second leg v. Porto, he hasn’t particularly impressed, has he?

  83. Pat7 says:

    That’s possible, but if we had got hold of him what a difference he’d have made: our back line covered with Fab free to move forward, Song to cover until he reached today’s potential, someone with power & precision to be used in dead ball situations……

  84. K-TR7 says:

    Afternoon all.howdy agag we missed you as much as we miss watching arsenal play…speaking of which messi has joined the long queue of YKW…

  85. oliver says:

    hi agag. welcome back. i urge you not to turn against cesc, if you can help it – he clearly has people in catalunya trying to convince him to push a transfer to barcelona through. not least his father, it seems. arsenal seem resolved not to negotatiate now, probably because of barca’s low-ball offer and their public courting. piling on cesc may undermine this position as well. i think cesc is having a difficult time with this, seeing the influences for barcelona. his quotes indicate he still loves arsenal – lets not drive him away just because he won’t definitely tell barcelona no. that is exactly what rosell and co would like – it increases the possibility they can get cesc on their terms. if that should come to pass, arsenal will lose – big time. the club seems to be trying to take the high road here, and i am as well. if cesc comes out asks for a transfer, then those that are so inclined can hate on him, but lets not do it before. i know this another area where i am in the distinct minority, but i do not want to help laporta and rosell out.

  86. oliver says:

    pat, agree he would have made a huge difference. and i do not dispute that we officially bid for him. my problem is with those who cites this as an example that arsene’s cheapness scuppered this potential transfer. and i am not saying that you fall into this category. i just do not think liverpool would ever have sold such an influential player to a top four rival, regardless of what happened with barry. they would have gotten more money from real madrid and would not have had to face him in league competition. but xabi would have been perfect for us, and i fully supported our trying to sign him.

  87. oliver says:

    anyone think there is not a concerted effort force a cesc transfer to barcelona – aided and abetted by the uk media? look at messi’s comments today – responding to a direct question, he was quoted saying “it would be great” to have cesc in the barca team. media are spinning with the headlines “urges” and “plea”. barca and the media are increasing the pressure as arsenal seem to be digging their heels in over this. lets not undermine our club’s efforts to resist this by turning against cesc. they cannot get arsenal to come to the negotiating table under these conditions, so they are trying to provoke a rift between cesc and the club/supporters, create an atmosphere where cesc would not want to stay. lets not do their dirty work for them.

  88. agirlagunner says:

    awww, KT. That’s nice. Just three more days til Barnet though. πŸ™‚ Messi is a pint-size wonder, and also a massive arse. Pique and Puyol are beyond belief. And let’s not get started on Xavi…

    oliver, I am distinctly unimpressed by YKW and his camp. It’s three months that this has been going on. Enough. Say you want out or that you’re staying. It looks complicated, but really, it is that simple.

  89. Red Arse says:

    Hola amiguitos,

    I confess to pleading, yesterday, for a switch away from Cesc and his will he won’t he.

    But I was wrong. Everyone just gets so much vicarious pleasure out of it, I had better go with the flow.

    Now that Messi has come out and said how much he loves Cesc, I think we have a full house of Barca players declaring their undying love for him. This, of course, does have some homo-erotic qualities which worries me a bit, but then what do I know? πŸ™‚

  90. rico says:

    hey hey, agag is back online πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    just going to catch up…

  91. rico says:

    pat – alonso, we mucked up there, big time if rumours about that possible deal are true….

  92. Red Arse says:


    What has happened to those classy little paragraphs you were whacking out?

    I like your stuff, but on my small screen I keep reading the same line more than once! πŸ™‚

  93. oliver says:

    agag, sorry but i disagree. i think this situation is anything but simple, precisely because of the different influences that seem to be pulling cesc in two different directions. i know it is inconvenient and uncomfortable for us as supporters, hearing this constant speculation and open courting. but cesc is the one that will have to live with whichever decision he makes: not me, not you, not sandro rosell, not cesc’s sister. i have made several very difficult decisions in my life – i have usually been afforded time and understanding to make these decisions, sometimes under conditions where the time and patience were even more difficult to those close to me. i do not think for a minute that cesc is “playing both sides” and i do not think he is afraid to say that he wants a transfer to barca so he won’t be criticized by arsenal supporters – he already getting plenty of that! i acknowledge that i may be completely wrong in this, but i see cesc as genuinely torn between the two clubs. if so, is that really so terrible? i love the player, i think he loves our club and our supporters, and i will not be part of the chorus that turns against him just because he has not come out to put my particular anxieties over this to rest.

  94. K-TR7 says:

    Barca’s potential 11 will make us look like stoke:villa,pedro,messi,iniesta,xavi,alves,puyol and maxwell…8 midgets!!no way can they beat the chavs/inter with those!!we will potentially have chamakh,rvp,diaby,song,TV,kozzer/DJ,sagna who are 6ft+ or almost…

  95. K-TR7 says:

    Well said oliver.its more like he doesn’t want to leave us but wants to join them…

  96. Red Arse says:


    I too do not want Cesc to go, and neither do I think it right to demonise him for doing what any professional sportsman would do.

    I think he will stay. I have consistently said so and I stick by that view.

    However, I am rather cynical about his motives. As I have said elsewhere, his actions boil down to obtain the greatest amount of money during his (and other sportsmen) short careers.

    If he asks for a transfer he will lose out on the balance of his contract and his loyalty bonus. If he stays quiet, and allows others to agitate for him, it will be much more financially rewarding for him if he gets his transfer.

    Arsene knows this and will sit tight and Cesc will stay, unless Barca come up with an obscene amount of dosh. Which they won’t.

    Cesc stays. QED

  97. rico says:

    Hi KTR7, RA…

    agag, what i don’t like is his last sentence of his i/v….

    ‘What will be will be’

    That was his chance to put and end to the rumours, he didn’t….

  98. oliver says:

    interesting takes from all of us, and i think it just shows how little we really know about what cesc feels inside.

    ra, i am somewhat less cyncial than you. he is getting very well compensated here and how much money is enough anyways? if money was so important, then i would think that someone (in cesc’s camp) would have at least pointed the discussion towards man city…
    that said, it is certainly possible that money is playing a significant factor in his actions and decision-making…

    at some point, this has to come to a head. if nothing else, i think the increased pressure (from barca) and speculation will eventually force cesc’s hand, and he will have to state something more definitive than he has up to now. if that does not happen, then look ahead to august 15th – either he will lead our team out on the anfield pitch or he won’t. then we will know where things sit.

  99. agirlagunner says:

    I’d be happy to talk about someone/something else/anything other than YKW, RA. (But it is YKW, and I must always put in my two cents’ worth) πŸ˜›

    hey,hey, rico. πŸ™‚ He said something similar in his first i/v, rico. Spineless.

    oliver, you really are kind. πŸ™‚ I am not. This is like breaking up with somebody and mouthing off the you’re great, fantastic, amazing platitudes, but yeah, I want out. Oh and throw in, let’s be friends. I mean, come on.

  100. Red Arse says:


    I don’t know the answer to how much money etc is enough, to be frank.

    Tiger Woods has earned about a zillion dollars, has a beautiful wife (pro tem) and a sweet kids.

    Hasn’t stopped him pursuing (and catching) other women, and appearing on as many adverts as possible for the extra dollars!

    To be fair to Cesc, and this isn’t cynical, the other thing successful sportsmen and women want, is to achieve accolades at the highest level which means medals trophies aka Premiership champions, Euro Champions, World Cup champions etc etc.

    He probably thinks, rightly, with the players we have and the cheapo buys we make, Arsenal are never likely to achieve that sort of success in his playing life time.

    I have a sympathy with that view, although I hope it is wrong!

  101. Red Arse says:


    I think you have every right to state your views on anyone or anything. πŸ™‚

    Reading the blogs it is all Cesc this and Cesc that. Most of it is emotional contradictory and irrational. Yesterday I just had enough of it. Today, well lets just get on with it, as everyone loves it so.

    Can’t imagine anyone breaking up with you. πŸ˜‰ Although I have been guilty of the old “it isn’t you, it’s me” routine. Men are rats like that you know! πŸ˜€

  102. oliver says:

    thanks agag. at the end of the day, your position may prove closer to reality – we just don’t know yet. i say to you, rico and ra that we shouldn’t get emotional over this, yet when i debate my position on it, i am contributing to our being emotional…

  103. agirlagunner says:

    RA, that was a hypothetical. πŸ˜‰ (Or not. I may have been the Cesc in that instance though. :P)

  104. Red Arse says:


    I haven’t read one comment on any blog that wasn’t emotional, or contradictory or irrational and usually all three, so you are not alone.

    (None of that applies to me …….. obviously) πŸ˜›

  105. Red Arse says:


    You are far too clever for me. I haven’t a clue what you mean. πŸ™‚

    My comment, and clarification, was only there to stop Rico from blasting me. πŸ™‚

    I did confess when I first came on Avenell that my humour would take some getting used to. Hence my frequent apologies.

    I love chatting to you all, but perhaps I would be less likely to cause offence on a more cut and thrust site.

    Let me know. 😦

  106. oliver says:

    no worries ra. we all seem to be adults here and i have more than my share of flaws, nothing for me to get sensitive over.

  107. Red Arse says:


    You are the nicest, most unflawed commenter on the site!

    Well ….. except you never mentioned the NYY president keeling over. Perhaps you were sparing my feelings. πŸ™‚

  108. rico says:

    RA, cut and thrust is fine here too when we are talking footie, we all know the only two things that are not welcome here is insults to others and the c word πŸ˜‰

    blogging is about debating and we all know that, thats why we are here, we dont have to agree, we just need to respect evryones view….

    re cesc, oliver is right, none of us really know the truth…

    agag is also right, the only way we will ever know the truth is if cesc speaks to AND is HONEST…

    right now all we get is mixed messages and thats why we can only speculate and live in hope that he will tell us all that he wants to stay…

  109. agirlagunner says:

    RA, my reply was re: breaking up. Only that I was the one trying to pull off what YKW is attempting to do now with AFC and supporters. All just for illustration, of course. πŸ˜‰

    oliver, I guess if we weren’t all a little emotional, it would feel less like AFC matters. πŸ™‚

  110. Red Arse says:


    Oliver is right; Agag is right; now if I can get you to say I am right, that would be a hat-trick!! Yaay! πŸ™‚

  111. agirlagunner says:

    rico, is the smartest cookie. πŸ™‚ Brava.

  112. K-TR7 says:

    Remember when figo left the stains?they wore pig masks each time he played against them.barca may be bigger than us but madrid is the we all know karma is a beautiful thing…

  113. oliver says:

    rico, you said it far better than i possibly could have…

    ra, i did not mention the boss, you are right. if you get the chance, pick up “steinbrenner: the last lion of baseball”, it is a fascinating read. bill madden worked ny sports media and had plenty of access to george during his yankee ownership – from the current and recent dynasties, to the disfunctional billy martin/reggie jackson championship teams.

    i think the opening sentence of the official statement from my baseball team, the new york mets – who have existed entirely in the yankee shadow – sums it up best: “The passing of George Steinbrenner marks the end of an era in New York City baseball history.” love him or hate him, george was a larger-than-life figure who changed baseball during his ownership of the yankees.

  114. agirlagunner says:

    Completely agree, KT. They will get their comeuppance, and not a moment too soon. I wish it were now.

  115. Red Arse says:

    Ohh, sorry Agag,

    Now I understand. I told you I was dopey. πŸ™‚

    I promise this is my last word on the matter. being emotional about things/people who matter to you is quite normal and part of human nature.

    It’s when the three states I mentioned are intertwined and trotted out ad nauseam, it becomes a little wearing.

    I hasten to add that I did not mean Avenell.

    It was quiet yesterday and I went awandering across other sites and there was too much ill informed carping about Cesc and anyone trying to put a balanced view forward were being shot down.

    All commenters on all sites have a right to their opinions, of course, but I got bored with it. That was my problem, not theirs, because no one made me read it.

    No more whingeing from me. If I get bored I will not try to change the subject and will go and lay down in a dark room! 😳

  116. K-TR7 says:

    Moreover,barca’s site insinuated for a moment that barca won the wc.i wouldn’t put it past them to want the trophy displayed in their museum.we have more class,lets keep it that day we will win the cl with a midfield of wilshere and ramsey i can assure you.our academy is only over a decade old and is ran on liquid cash theirs is ancient but ran on loans.we aren’t far off i can tell you as a keen euro footy fan.the jigsaw is forming with only the final piece yet to be filled.

  117. oliver says:

    darn…meeting in five…away for a bit

  118. rico says:

    RA, you are always wrong πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

    Nice one KTR7, Jose and Madrid will serve the best helping on the stains this season… πŸ™‚

    agag πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚

  119. Red Arse says:

    Well said Oliver,

    I haven’t read that book, but I will get it on Amazon, thanks.

    I did not know that much about him, but he certainly had a massive influence even in his later years. Wonder what will happen now to the balance between the Mets and the Yankees?

    KT, I think they threw a real pigs head onto the pitch when they played each other. Almost made me go back to being a vegan!

  120. rico says:

    RA – oliver said the same yesterday abou bloggers slating cesc, they are frustrated and angry because our captain is sending out mixed messages, this isn’t eboue, song or TV, its OUR CAPTAIN!!

    Anger and Upset are close in our brain, they cross borders too often…

    True fans of Arsenal will support Cesc this season if he stays, I know I will….

  121. rico says:

    thanks oliver, see you in a while πŸ™‚

  122. Red Arse says:

    You are right Rico, in saying I am always wrong. πŸ˜‰

    My problem, is that I never know when or why. can be tricky.

    It is probably part of my background training to be logical and balanced in arriving at a “position” and that makes me somewhat intolerant of what I perceive as unfair or illogical criticism of others.

    Of course that’s where you are right, I always (well often) get it wrong, but my motives are genuine. πŸ™‚

    I am biased towards Cesc because he is good for Arsenal, and Arsenal are good for him. We all make decisions at that age which are influenced by those around us and he is no exception.

    With him in the team next season, and he will be with us, I think we will do v. well regardles of who else we do or do not buy. πŸ˜‰

  123. agirlagunner says:

    Good night, good people. πŸ™‚ catch you all tomorrow.

  124. rico says:

    Nighty night agag, great to have you back, rest well πŸ™‚

  125. Red Arse says:


    I have said it before and I repeat it now. You always come up with an interesting take on events.

    Arsene falls into that special category. He is someone we will only appreciate how good he was when he has gone!

    Like all humans he makes the occasional mistake. He did not rate Yaya Tours when he was a kid. I happened to see Yaya play for Arsenal in pre-season some years ago, and he looked terrific. Wenger thought otherwise, and now, years later, Citeh have bought him for Β£25m …… hmmm.

    Arsene is the greatest manager Arsenal have ever had and he is a wonderful man personally. πŸ™‚

  126. K-TR7 says:

    Nighty agag…

  127. rico says:

    KTR7, you may have noticed that your comment has gone πŸ™‚

    I am going to use it if I may???? If you say no, i will re-post it πŸ™‚

  128. Red Arse says:

    I am going to go too Rico,

    Looking back over the comments, I have said too much as usual! πŸ˜€


  129. rico says:

    RA, the only talking you do which is too much is saying sorry for no reason, chill, we all love your comments but you think you offend when you don’t πŸ˜‰

  130. K-TR7 says:

    Rico whatever helps the arsenal course at the same time giving you the occassional help…nighty RA.

  131. oliver says:

    back…just in time for another meeting in 10 minutes…

    ra, i imagine this will do nothing to change the status quo of baseball in ny. george’s sons have been running the yankees operation – along with brian cashman – for the past three-four years. george had been very ill for most of that time…mets will continue to be the mets – they are having a good year so far, but the yankees have just won the world series and have 27 championships next to the mets paltry 2. as much as i hate to do this, arsenal = yankees and mets = spuds is a fairly accurate analogy…and that kills me because i love the mets!!

  132. rico says:

    thanks KTR7 πŸ™‚

  133. K-TR7 says:

    Anyway i’m off…the books are calling.night all.

  134. rico says:

    Nighty Night KT, don’t burn the candles too late πŸ˜‰

  135. rico says:

    I’m off for the day too

    Night all πŸ™‚

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