Keeping Cesc Could Cost Us £20 Million !!!

I know we have all been avoiding this subject, but no matter how much we try to bury our heads in the sand this is the most important thing going on at our great club at the moment.
Barca want Cesc and boy don’t we know it. My heart says we should hang on to our greatest talent and Captain, I have admired his play on the field, I have admired his conduct off the field and I have defended him when he was having an off spell the season before last.

Now let me make it clear, I do NOT want to see Cesc go. This would be  our biggest loss since we lost Liam Brady at a similar age..  Here comes the but.. But the only way that I can see us hanging on to our playmaker is if we do a deal with Barca and Cesc which would delay the inevitable for another year.

This would be a bad move in a lot of ways, the main one being it will give Barca the exclusive rights and eliminate other clubs in the sale hence driving the price we would get for him down to the bare minimum.

Let’s say for instance we could sell Cesc for £35 million plus Yaya Toure (who was valued at less than £10 mill last season) that deal would be worth in the region of £50 million.
Next season we may only get a mere £25 million if we snake up to Barca and beg for him to stay. It may be similar to the deal we did with the great Thierry, at the end of 06 he was the best striker in the world and would have commanded a price close to £40 million and we all know the pittance we got for him leaving it a year too late.

So is it worth Arsenal playing the nice guy and letting Cesc have what he wants and doing a deal. Or should we sell him now and take the readies??

If Arsene was given the transfer budget promised plus the entire lump sum from the sale of Cesc that would make him an extremely dangerous man in the transfer market.
And the fans should force this to happen, not buy a couple of budget players and forget about this seasons budget and half of the profit we make on Cesc..

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104 Responses to Keeping Cesc Could Cost Us £20 Million !!!

  1. 1st says:

    Yeeeea

  2. Ole Gunner says:

    What dodgy logic. We sold Henry 1 year late, and sold him for less. Thus if we keep Cesc one more year, we’d lose £20M.

    QED

  3. Judith Le'Strange says:

    I say sell him. He definitely won’t be the same player for Arsenal as he was last season for the simple fact he no longer wants to play for a team that can’t win anything, and this is from a staunch Arsenal supporter.

  4. Martin says:

    Surely the main difference here is that Henry was nearly 30 and Fabregas is only 23.

  5. avenell says:

    Hi guys.. welcome to the newies..

    Martin that is why I believe this will be Arsenals biggest loss since Brady.
    But for what other reason would Cesc stay unless he gets the deal he wants to the promised land next year.

  6. Lee Andrew Morris says:

    keep cesc at whatever cost. about this club started spending some money and not thinking about making profit.

  7. oliver says:

    A bit defeatist in my opinion. Some things are more important than money and I think this is an instance where standing our ground should be top priority. Cesc’s situation is different to TH, in that the latter had started to decline when we finally sold him to Barca – Cesc should still have his best years ahead of him. The important thing about TH, though, is we sold him when WE were ready. If our club follows your reasoning and accepts what Barca offers now (low fee plus a play they do not want, does not want to join us and we should want nothing to do with), then we will have capitulated, will be easy pickings next time someone else sniffs around our top players and will never build anything because we will always be selling our best players. Some of us are reading too much of the Catalan media poison – he wants do go, he will never play for Arsenal again, he will shoot his way out of here (ala Manny Ramirez in Boston), and blah blah blah blah blah. Let’s try and keep our player, our captain. If he REALLY wants to leave that badly, let him come out and say it and then we’ll see what kind of deal be worked out. I do not buy for a second that he will not give less than 100 per cent whether he stays or is transferred. He is not Nic Anelka or Adebayor! Let’s just support the club – they have publicly said they do not want to sell him. AW reiterated that yesterday, and there has been no rebuttal from Cesc or his Pops. Despite what the media tell us it is NOT a foregone conclusion that Cesc wants to leave this year!! Only Cesc personally and publicly stating he wants a transfer this summer should bring our club into discussions over it.

  8. wan says:

    you cant simply say he wont be the same player next season if he stayed. Look at ronaldo the season before he went over to madrid.

  9. herdee string says:

    hmmm – 40 mil for Henry in 06? don’t think so old son – his contract had a year left on it if you recall.

    agree with your point about selling him but unfortunately consider your writing and form of expressing yourself to be akin to that of a retard.

  10. galteegunner says:

    This has also been my fear since the whole Cesc kicked off. The stay-for-one-more-year plea is dangerous. For it to work we must strike the deal now and agree a fee now and then insist he stays with us for one more year so we can allow Ramsey and Wilshere to time to develop into first team regulars. I think we kept Henry mainly because we did not want to move to our new stadium without our talisman. I was very disappointted with the cash we eventually received and you do wonder was it worth holding him for that year? I think though Cesc would still put in a solid performance for us even if he did know it was his last.

  11. Guido says:

    Hi guys…in my opinion what the reason why Wenger still wants to keep him is to manage succession plan going smoothly.
    As far as we know, the potential candidate to replace Cesc would be Ramsey/Whilshere. So while waiting they get matured, Wenger is responsible to maintain smooth succession plan.

  12. mikeB says:

    This is fast becoming mass-hysteria.
    1. Fabregas won’t peak for another two years, maybe three.
    2. He has never said he doesn’t want to play for Arsenal. His ONLY quote on this is that ‘ONE DAY I would like to play for Barca’.
    3. Barring career-threatening injury his price can only go up.
    4. Toure has said he prefers Chelsea… why would we want him to play for us?
    5. If I remember rightly Barca did the same job on TH14 they are now trying on Cesc. Isn’t it about time we stood up to them? Or do we want to fold every time we develop a world-class player and they take a fancy to him? You become a door-mat and that’s how people treat you. It’s not just about short-term gain; it’s about character and all those things Arsenal stand for.

  13. Showtym!! says:

    You r painfully ryt..weve lost gret playerz b4 n still managd 2 stay up tho we won nothin.then again if we lose a gret player nw tleast we got money 2 rplace him unlyk b4

  14. oliver says:

    Avenell, in response to your reply to Martin, I can make the argument that Cesc would like to stay because he believes in Arsenal, he believes in Wenger, he believes this club is close to winning big and he wants to be a part of it. He believes that the door to Barca will always be open and he believes that Arsenal will fully support him returning to his roots, once the club starts winning. He believes in patience and he believes that it takes time to build something. He believes that the sacrifice and prudence of the past five years are just around the corner and he wants to be part of it. Perhaps I am completely wrong with the above, but you may be just as wrong in your assumption that Cesc will only remain at Arsenal IF he is promised his “dream” transfer to Nou Camp at the end of the season. The fact is that none of us know how Cesc really views things, and under those conditions, lets support our club in resisting Barca’s attempts to force a transfer through. Cesc’s few comment can be interpreted a million different ways, can be used to support whichever view you like – I view them as NOT concrete proof that he wants to leave Arsenal now, and NOT a loss of faith in our club and players, and NOT comments in support of Barcelona’s obvious agenda.

  15. Soup Dragon says:

    I think your logic is flawed . He currently has 5 years on his contract and isn’t quite the finished article. Next season he still has 4 years on his contract is a year older and is much closer to being the finished article Kerching!! that will be another £20 mil please.
    Ya Ya Toure will never play for Wenger’s Arsenal. He doesn’t fancy him or he would have taken him for the packet of crisps and two sticks of Gum he would have cost when he had him here on trial.
    The fee for Cesc as regards rebuilding is also irrelevant as Wenger would only spend proportionately anyhow. Keep him and make him honour his contract. Being the classy individual that Cesc is I don’t think motivation would be a problem in the short term. Finally who is to say that Barca will want him next season if they splash out on Gerrard they will probably be over staffed in the centre of the park anyway. This is all about Laporta’s ego and nothing more.

  16. frankie frankie says:

    Let him go now. There is no point keepiong a player who has the desire to play for someone else. He wont be as good as he was last season. I know he is professional and he wont throw his toys out of the pram but I can’t see him being 100% happy. Get the best deal possible and let wenger bring in who he wants. I know wenger wont spend crazy money but he can get a couple of qualty centreback with the cash.

  17. avenell says:

    Oliver… The bit I don’t like is Cesc’s silence is painfull.
    I don’t for one minute think he won’t try his best but what message does it send to the rest of the squad that the captain wants out?

  18. livearsenal says:

    Barcelona are already the only club in the race – they are the only club Cesc would leave us for. That is the hand they have been dealt. Our hand is the rather large and lengthy contract that Cesc signed with us.

    Sooner or later we will sell though, rather than watch him go for free.

  19. Erik says:

    His contract is until 2014, right? so by the end of next season he’ll have 3 years left on it… right?

    Ronaldo had 3 years left and cost £80m… so, does that mean Ronaldo would have cost around £140m if Madrid wanted him the year before?

    I think Fabregas will play with us next season… and if he has a similar or better season than last he’ll still be worth £35m+ by the end of it…

    And if he has an exceptional season (like Ronaldo did in his last year at Man Utd) he could easily reach the £50m mark.

    I think his desire to play for us will be down to what new signings we made by the end of the transfer window… if we get decent players I am sure that will give Cesc extra motivation to win something for us, even if he leaves.

  20. Goonerpower says:

    So what, he was free anyway.

  21. agirlagunner says:

    Hola, avenell. I’m hopelessly hopeful about Cesc so no matter the possibility that his price goes down if sold later rather than sooner, I’d much rather keep him. 🙂

    I reckon Cesc would stay if we sign a few top men not a half-dozen next big things. I’d scream if we purchase more of those.

    herdee, easy. No need for name-calling. 🙂

    And Oliver, I like what you’re saying.

  22. Soup Dragon says:

    “His contract is until 2014” right?

    2015 he signed a very lucrative extention to the seven year deal last year.

  23. avenell says:

    Hi agag..

    There is always one or two that are not capable of having a decent debate..

    But they forget I can edit the comments if I wanted too..

    Who’s the ret now? 😉

  24. avenell says:

    Soup Dragon.. we all know players will go if they want to.
    I believe that Arsene and Cesc are both reasonable men and would strike a deal..

    “Give us another year and we will let you go on the cheap”

  25. oliver says:

    Avenell, the problem is that we don’t KNOW that the Captain wants out! Catlan and English media say that, sure, but Cesc NEVER said I want out now. I also would prefer him to state his position unambiguosly, but I do not think he will do that, at least not yet. Why not? I am not sure, but perhaps he does not want to burn bridges with either camp. His statements have left both (remain or transfer) options open. None of us know what he really thinks. My thoughts – and this is 100 per cent speculation – are that if everything was equal, he would prefer a transfer to Barca sooner rather than later. Not only because that is the club he has always supported, but he may also want to play for his admitted idol (Guardiola). But that does not automatically mean that he wants to leave Arsenal this summer. His statements on how he loves Arsenal and AW were pretty clear. Barca submitted an opening bid of around 29 mil UKP – that is an opening bid, do you think they will eventually reach Arsenal’s magic number (every player has his price), say 50 million for arguments’ sake? I do not think they will go that high because Barca have publicly declared that they will not be held to ransom. With his declared love for Arsenal, do you think Cesc will feel Arsenal would be well served by accepting a low-ball offer? I do not. One think about the Joan/Joan/Sandro/Xavi comments – they are annoying as heck, but never forget that certain statements are made to certain audiences. I think the “we will not overpay” stuff is for the Barca fanbase, perhaps to show that the club are doing everything they can to make this transfer go through and give them an “out” if it does not come off. Similarly, I think that the “Cesc said he wants to come here…” are for Cesc himself, the Arsenal board, and US, the Arsenal supporters – to try and drive a wedge between us and Cesc, ultimately to put pressure on the Arsenal board to do business. Nothing is as it seems here. Perhaps I will be proved dead wrong – that Cesc will come out and say he wants a transfer now and no longer wants to play for Arsenal. That would finally establish certainty and most likely force all parties to at least start earnest negotiations. That will also change my view on this. However, in absence of that, I see this as I stated above. Let me finally say that I do not think Cesc will unequivocally state that he wants to stay at Arsenal for now, as I think he does want to go to Barca eventually and may not see this sort of comment as necessary. As much as I would like to hear that from his mouth, I am resigned him not saying it….

  26. kc says:

    No thanks. His price could just as easily go up with another sparkling season like his last one. This is a bad idea.

  27. avenell says:

    Perhaps he has had enough of Arsene’s promises and the Premier League.
    Finishing 3rd and 4th isn’t that great when you have had a taste of success with your national side and when most of them are collecting la liga medals too, he must feel that Arsenal are not giving him job satisfaction.

  28. Mark C says:

    You are off the mark here – totally.

    Look at what Man U did – agreed a deal at the then market value. The actual price seems great because the pound dropped against the Euro.

    You are also totally guessing the value of the player.

    Is he worth 60 mill or 80 mill?

    He is only worth what someone will pay and what we are happy to sell at.

    We are a business not a charity.

    With Henry – he was coming to the end of his career. He WAS the best forward in the world, he had peaked. He had his best years in an Arsenal shirt.

  29. Soup Dragon says:

    I here what you are saying Avenell.Though Wenger has never been one for clauses in deals or pre agreements. He may well form a Gentleman’s agreement with Cesc regarding next season but I am sure it will only happen if he feel’s the price is right, anyway there is no guarantee that Wenger will be around after next season (Although I sincerely hope he does sign a new contract). so the incoming manager may have something to say about that.

  30. Mike E says:

    if i were he i would want to go and live and work in barcelona – great city (have you been there – truly awesome place!) , far better weather than in England, and his family are there and it is his real home too.

    but i do agree we need serious money for him! £50m.

    and he needs to put in a transfer request so we don’t have to pay him 5% of the fee. after all it is he who wants to leave – even cesc cannot have it every which way.

  31. avenell says:

    I don’t know about Ronaldo, but I would imagine other clubs would have offered Man U decent money for him and caused his price to increase.
    Cesc only wants to leave for one club, so who do Barca have an auction with?

  32. agirlagunner says:

    LOL, avenell. Why even bother commenting, right?

    I don’t care that Cesc wants out, 2015 are my magic numbers.

    I’m not nearly so naive as to believe he doesn’t want to go; the uncharacteristic absence of a denial from him is more than indicative that he wants away; but we are not exactly powerless. Just as the stains can keep on faxing those insulting offers, we can keep on crumpling the fax sheets. 🙂

    Unfortunately, considering how classless the stains have been in their pursuit of our captain, the stains’ talk will go on ad nauseam.

    Is anybody else going to SA? Please make sure you sock Xavi a good one! 🙂

  33. oliver says:

    Avenell, I agree that he MAY be frustrated with unfulfilled promises, perennial also rans, etc. Lord knows that I feel that way sometimes. My point, however, continues to be that we do not know. I may be wrong, you may be wrong, Erik may be wrong, we all my be wrong. You cannot be certain that “he must feel Arsenal are not giving him job satisfaction”, just as I cannot be certain “he believes this club is close to winning big and wants to be a part of it.” So I choose not to make myself depressed over this, or resign myself to him agitating for transfer behind the scenes. If that is what happens, then I will have read the situation completely wrong. But in the absence of actual knowledge of his feelings on this, I am not going to give up and depress myself. There are enough people out there to do that for us.

  34. avenell says:

    I am pretty sure Cesc would get more job satisfaction being a winner than a loser.. I may be wrong.. 😉

    You write very well oliver.. if you ever fancy writing a headline post let me know..

  35. oliver says:

    Thanks Avenell – and I must say for my part that I am grateful that we can disagree over this issue without descending into childishness or slanging, as I have seen between other people! Perhaps I shall take you up on that offer some day – such as when Cesc is sold at Barca’s price in August – to break down how wrong I was on this one issue!! LOL

  36. avenell says:

    On here we try to put up topics for discussion.. Some people see the blog world differently and have to force their point over and the resort to personal insults.

    I try to chat to people as if we was in a pub or at the footie.
    Some sites are like the MP’s in the H of C.. with all the hear hear and back slapping.

  37. aj says:

    “……..when most of them are collecting la liga medals too, he must feel that Arsenal are not giving him job satisfaction.”

    I think that Cesc is intelligent enough to understand that the pride and satisfaction that he would get from winning medals with a team that he is the leader of and whom he has helped develop from scratch, would be infinitely greater than just jumping on a gravy train and collecting a bag of medals with a club who would have won them anyway, whether or not he was there. If all he is interested in is boasting about how many medals he has got, he might as well just get a box full made up for him – he can afford it.

    The real question is whether or not he believes Arsenal are on the cusp of winning trophies. I can understand his reservations about that but it is up to Arsene to convince him. Arsene obviously thinks we are, otherwise he would have gone himself by now.

  38. avenell says:

    AJ .. I agree with most of that .. But if the boot was on the other foot and you supported Arsenal and was playing 600 miles from home in a less successful team.. Would you be happy?

  39. agirlagunner says:

    avenell, I just noticed, you guys have breached the 400 K mark. But who’s counting, right? 😉 Congrats to you, JJ, and rico. Great job!

  40. Damien says:

    We sold Henry 1 year too late, his price went down because he was 30.

    Cesc in 1 years time will be 1 year better, if not at his peak. Peak money.

  41. avenell says:

    Cheers agag.. we have just gone over 60,000 comments too..

    A lot of it is down to rico though.. JJ and me are a pair of lazy ******’s..

  42. avenell says:

    Hi Damien.. peak money… but only one buyer dictating the price..

  43. Icedre218 says:

    Cesc would be valued at the same amount next season. More if we were to win a major trophy. Unlike Henry who was almost 30. So i do not agree.

    No one wants Cesc to go, so if we have to sell we need to make sure we get as much as we can for him. If Barca aren’t willing to pay, then we keep him. No problem.

  44. rockofgilberto says:

    The logic in this piece makes no sense at all. If we keep him this year, we “must” make a pre-contract agreement with Barca? Says who, Barca? If we keep him next season, we’re in the SAME SPOT. He’d then be on a 4 YEAR contract with us, and we would not be forced to sell unless he turned in a transfer request, which I don’t see Cesc doing. Even if we sold him then, we’d get the same kind of money we would if we were to sell him now (which we won’t do). Unless Barca’s severe debts cripple them by then, in which case Cesc would have less reason to go there anyway. There’s no need to sell him now, and there may be no need to sell him in the future, if Arsene’s prudence begins to pay dividends. Whatever happened to keeping the faith, Gooners?

  45. KK says:

    Cesc wont peak until hes 25 so thats cajj on us but i wouldnt say it will cost that much it depends on the argeements and plus add on his contrct.

  46. avenell says:

    Hi Icedre218.. I think their maybe a gentlemens agreement between Cesc and Arsene, market value would go out of the window.. especially with only one buyer.

  47. avenell says:

    Hi KK and rockofgilberto.. welcome to AR..

    Reader try again without the insults.. you may even have a valid point in there somewhere..

  48. Tony says:

    It is sad to hear that you talk behind our captens back, everyone are talking like you want him to leave, he is a true gooner, and deep down he wants to stay.
    I hope he does not read this blog, or any other of them, cause he will not forgive us.

  49. avenell says:

    Tony.. Welcome aboard mate.. I’m sure Cesc has heard worse..

    He could always come on and dispell the rumours.. if not do it via Arse.com..

  50. oliver says:

    Again, I appreciate that I can express a contrary view and engage in honest debate without being shouted down and/or insulted. I think we should also consider the possibility that Cesc’s feelings on this issue may have changed more than once. Perhaps sitting in the Nou Camp stands during the CL QF second leg and training with Spain’s WC squad made him feel that the time is right to move, with Barca in the midst of an historic period. Perhaps his oft-discussed conversation with AW convinced him that this Arsenal side are on the verge of greatness and that he is such a big part of it, that moving now would cause him to miss out. This is a possible explanation for why he has been so ambiguous in his few statements: maybe he is not certain what he wants to do. More speculation from me, but I also think that conflicting emotions from both sides tugging at him is a reasonable assessment. IF that is even close to the truth, I hope it will force a definitive statement from Cesc himself, to express what he wants to do, once and for all, for better or for worse.

  51. Red Arse says:

    Hi Avenell

    I think your article is valid.

    The problem we all have is that there are a number of little understood UEFA “rules” governing the “rights” of players to buy out their contracts based on a multiple of their annual contract, within certain age groups.

    In Cesc’s case that might mean that if he earns (say) £5m a year, he could at his age next year, buy out his contract for a multiple of (say) 4 = £20m. Frankly, I would prefer to keep him whatever the downside.

    I can’t remember the exact wording of the UEFA rule. Is there anyone out there that does?

    Probably not.

  52. avenell says:

    Hi RA.. thanks.

    You are correct about the buy out clause, but luckily the players are reluctant to carry this out and it’s only used as a threat at the moment..

    I bet Ade stays at Man C.. 😉

  53. agirlagunner says:

    Good night, all! I just remembered I am on a You-Know-Who babble lockdown. I have opinioned myself out on him. What would rico say? And I tried so hard too. Fudge. 🙂

  54. JonJon says:

    evening chaps and chapess’

    i dont want cesc to go..but if they offer in the 60mil+ mark we would be foolish to turn it down..

    he doesnt want to stay hes wanted to go back for years but 30mils not enough..if we give into that we are just giving in to the bullies..

  55. avenell says:

    Nite agag.. stick a quid in the swear pot and rico will forgive you..

  56. Red Arse says:

    Avenell, I can’t think of a club and player who deserve each other more than the Mancs and Ade! 😉

    There is such a lot of disinformation out there concerning Arsenal “ins and outs”, and some of it by Le Prof himself, it’s hard to know what the hell is going on.

  57. JonJon says:

    hi rd

    i did a post on that a week or so ago..

    cesc cant buy out his contract..he doesnt qualify until 2012 as he signed a one year extention to his contract..

    hes technically only 1 year into his ‘new deal’ and you cant buy out your contract until youve completed 3 years (if your under 28) or 2 if your over

  58. JonJon says:

    avenell

  59. avenell says:

    There could be a lot going on, but it takes the sale of a player to trigger the whole thing off..

    If we was to sell.. ****, that would give the go ahead to buy Gourcuff etc.. if he stays nothing happens..

    We are just mushrooms guessing what’s going on being driven mad by the media..

  60. agirlagunner says:

    RA, I trust no more hangover? LOL.

    Hi, JJ and bye, JJ.

  61. Red Arse says:

    Thanks JJ for clarifying that. Unfortunately, I didn’t see your post on that occasion.

    I didn’t see much of youat all last week until you gave D&D some stick. 🙂

  62. Red Arse says:

    Hi Agag, I doin’t remember a hangover. Actually I don’t really remember anything. 😉

    Hope I didn’t flirt or anything, W would never forgive me. 🙂

  63. JonJon says:

    bye agag 😉

    lol rd yeah im sort of the houdini of avenell rd, im here and im not

    ave i dont want gourcuff anymore..i dont want anybody french..sounds bad i know but if diaby is there best player we are better off looking elsewhere

  64. Marko says:

    Thats crazy talk Avenell. He’s got 5 years left on his contract and is always improving so why would we get say 30 million this season and only 20 million next? It doesn’t make any sense and this deal and the Henry deal aren’t in anyway similar. Henry was nearing the end of his contract and was getting progressively worse whereas Cesc will only get better and better. In fact if he stayed and we won the league we could actually ask for more money. I think he’ll stay for another couple of seasons depending on Wenger signing a new deal. Which he must.

  65. JonJon says:

    sell cesc..

    get cole and vdv

    and a couple of germans..those boys are big game players..never here of them in their leagues but as soon as the worlds audience is on them they turn it on..

    we could do with some of that mentality at the emirates..

  66. avenell says:

    Don’t forget Cesc looks crap when he doesn’t have anyone to play wengerball with..

    not like ‘arry Houdini.. just escapes from Pompey in time to see them drown..

  67. avenell says:

    Marko.. .. Only one buyer and Arsene may do a deal and let Cesc have his way and let Barca have him on the cheap if we get another season out of him..

  68. JonJon says:

    marko

    the reason why it makes sense is that in any other circumstance cescs price should get higher..

    but he only wants to join barca…so the longer we delay the price will go down..

    i reckon we could get the same amount next year but after that we lose out

    id still sell him now though, on the basis he doesnt want to be here and as captain it sends out a poor message..

    we need to rebuild…sooner rather than later

  69. avenell says:

    To add to that.. Barca would never pay top dollar for a player they let go for next to nothing.

  70. agirlagunner says:

    RA, if memory serves, there was mention of two bottles and declarations of love; no flirting. Don’t worry about WATH, he’s got his Zulu girls. 🙂 Oh and you didn’t share any with JJ.

    JJ… We. Are. Not. Selling. You-know who. 🙂 One can hope so one does.

    The stains can go f- themselves, avenell.

    I am really off now.

  71. JonJon says:

    i know we aint agag

    not for 30 mil anyway..

    but if the pissy shitty mucas dribble bid 60mil+ plus he’ll be a barca player next season

    hes a barca player anyway..just wears red and white instead of piss and shit..

  72. avenell says:

    I quite like Barca.. they are like a mate who always takes your old banger of a motor off you..

    except this time they want me cossie escort.. 😦

  73. Marko says:

    The longer we wait the cheaper he’ll get, how did you come to that conclusion? He’s 22 and got 5 years left on his contract why the hell would he keep getting cheaper? Maybe if he had a year or two left but 5 years. It’s crazy and why would we make a deal with a club to sell him cheaper to them a year later, oh here Barca let us keep him for another year and we’ll knock 10 or 20 mill of the price of a player we own. Crazy talk. I hope I don’t sound aggressive or nothing here it’s just some people might look at the post and start to panic whereas I think we’re in total control of the whole situation. All the noise we’ve heard is from Barcelona and some spanish journos, Cesc is keeping quite which is the right thing to do cause I’d say he wouldn’t mind where he plays next season. Anyway Ozil is his replacement.

  74. JOEL says:

    Unfortunately the damage has already been done.The Manager’s pig-headed refusal to bring in the correct players over the last two Seasons has pre-empted Cesc’s (likely) departure and has also left the Trophy Cabinet completely bare.It’s all very well building a side around a particular player but Monsieur Wenger should have made sure that the person, in question,shared his perspective.The purchases of Alonso (the season before last) and a creditable goalscorer during the January (2010)Transfer Window would have ,undoubtedly,had a hugely positive effect.The resultant end of Season capitulations would ,certainly, have been avoided and United,Chelsea and Barcelona would all have been put under a great deal more pressure.
    History seems to be repeating with unerring regularity.The side remaining a couple of players short of truly competing then exasperated by the Principal “Star(s)” departing for “Greener Grass”!If,as expected,Cesc leaves before the start of the Season I’d like to think that his Fee will be utilized in it’s entirity and that the Manager has a specific “plan” in mind (that doesn’t solely revolve around his existing squad),Unfortunately,again,I fear further disappointment is on the cards-A Manager who happily receives inflated fees but refuses to spend similarly will never change!Players like Jagielka,Cahill,Lloris and Mascherano would ideally suit Arsenal’s current squad but would never be brought in,given the fees that they would command.

  75. Red Arse says:

    JJ, I wouldn’t want Gourcoff after that feeble display for France.

    I wouldn’t mind Ozil though. He looked brill.

    Agag, I enjoy your Arsenal stuff but also your humourous chat ups with W, although Rico is great entertainment too. 😉 Between you I think W has met his match ……. or has he ….. hmmmmm. 😉 😉

  76. Marko says:

    Well they’ll have to pay top doller for him or wait 5 years for him. If that was to happen it wouldn’t be a bad thing cause by then Wilshere and Ramsey will be fully fledged premiership world class players. And bollocks to the whole Barca DNA crap he’s been with us almost as long as he has been with them, we made him the player he is not them.

  77. avenell says:

    If Cesc wants to leave..

    He only wants to go to one other club.

    They can dictate the price.

    So if Arsene can persuade Cesc to give it another year with us he may have to agree a lower price with Barca..

  78. avenell says:

    Marko… Arsene would never keep cesc against his will..

  79. Red Arse says:

    Joel, I have every sympathy with your post.

    From Cesc’s point of view, he could have won buckets of trophies with shitty Barca, instead of promises of jam tomorrow at Arsenal.

    We are all bored rigid with being told our “young players” are maturing for next season. Yeah, right.

  80. JonJon says:

    marko

    he only wants to join barca..nobody else will enter a bidding war to drive his price up and the longer his contract runs down the cheaper he will get..

    at the moment hes worth 60mil i reckon..it would be more if citeh chelsea and madrid all bid for him but theres no point cos he wont join them..

    barca know this so are trying to get him on the cheap..at the minute we hold the cards cos the length of his contract but in two years time the could get him for less than 30mil

    a players contract determines his price as much as his age and talent but the fact he only wants to join one team will make all that irrelevant as time goes on..

  81. Marko says:

    Completely disagree Avenell. We dictate the price because he’s got a very long term contract with us and because of his age. The other thing is he scored 19 goals last season in all competitions and contributed to way more with his assists so if next season he was to have a similar or better season then we could actually look for more. Those jokers are only willing to pay 30 million for him cause they feel he should of stay in the reserves all those years and now should be in the first team, this is the same team who gave Inter 60 million plus Eto’o for Ibrahimovic and are being linked with a 70 million deal for Torres.

  82. JonJon says:

    lol ave..

    theres not many who would disagree with your post..i totally understand your alonso comment..wenger messed up there

  83. JonJon says:

    rd

    alot of people have been banging on about ozil for a while

    ktr7 pointed him out a bit back but we’ll never get him now..his price will be sky high after the world cup..hes a top talent he will shine.. chance gone..

    and in 4 years time wenger will tell us he almost signed him.. 😉 just to make us feel better

  84. avenell says:

    If we force Cesc to stay, we would have one unhappy footballer on our hands and no matter how proffesional cesc is he will never give 100%..

    So although we could sit him in the stands it never happens, Arsenal could do better with the £50 million this year than waste it on a player who wants out.. (not saying he definatly does)

  85. JonJon says:

    my 7.00 was adressed to joel by the way

  86. JonJon says:

    and my 7.02 to RA not rd..

    i got rob green fingers tonight 😉

  87. JonJon says:

    after what ive watched so far id say id like ozil, lahm and annan next season..annans the duracell bunny we need in midfield..

  88. avenell says:

    What have you heard at the WC jj? 😉

  89. JonJon says:

    nothing but horns ave..

  90. JonJon says:

    i feel sorry for wath

    hes going to come back deaf..and to find agag has run off with RA 😉

  91. Marko says:

    Well I agree with you there Avenell. But the thing about the whole situation is Barcelona are trying to get him on the cheap which is disrespectful to us as a club and unless they pay his valuation, which I believe to be between 50-60 million pounds not euros, then they can jog on. We shouldn’t feel corned into a sale cause we’ve the upper hand. Also Jonjon I’d prefer Asamoah than Annan I was very impressed with him and we were linked with him before.

  92. JonJon says:

    isnt asamoah a striker marko??

    i watched the ghana came but that lad annan caught my eye quite early and i was watching him mostly..

    i was impressed with all their midfield if im honest..a lot of power and workrate and pace and serbia looked 2nd best..annan could pick a pass too..

    quite impressive..a young essien..

  93. JonJon says:

    cant believe dunga hasnt picked denilson..

    brazil are going to struggle 😉

    i finally get to watch this melo guy though

  94. avenell says:

    Dunga doesn’t understand football like a leftie does.. 😉

    stats a fact..

  95. Red Arse says:

    JJ, I did not realise you were in SA.

    I know W said he would stuff a vuvuzela up the jaxi of the next guy who blasted his eardrum, sideways.

    Have you found them as bad?

    Part of me thinks they sound absolutely like discordant wasps/foghorns but the other part of me thinks it very African and exotic. But then I’m not there otherwise I might help WATH. 🙂

  96. Marko says:

    Asamoah is a deep playmaker everything good that Ghana done went through him. It’s possible you think Annan is Asamoah cause Asamoah was spraying the ball all over the pitch and look a real menance.

  97. avenell says:

    Just had a look JJ 364 of them horn things listed on ebay if you want one..

    If you can’t beat ’em join ’em..

  98. JonJon says:

    no i aint in SA red arse..

    marko..the guy i was watching was tear arseing up and down the pitch all game,sitting in front of the defence and crunching into tackles and spraying 20-30 yard passes as well as the 5 yard ones.. 😉

    he wore number 6..he didnt look a playmaker he sat deep and did the dirty work mostly

  99. Come off it! Even if Cesc goes for nothing, the fact that Barca didn’t grab him this season would be enough statement from Arsenal. Much as I do not believe that football is just about trophies, ala Mourinho, I do not equally believe that this business is all about money. Integrity and managing ego are vital ingredients of a great club.

    Barca has heaped insult on Arsenal. Let them sweat for Fabregas. If possible, we should even welcome a bid from and start negotiating with Real Madrid – to shove down Barca’s shit down their very throats.

  100. SPECTRUM says:

    Cesc should stay.Problem is that Wenger is weak, and will likely cave in under the pressure.What is the point of having a LEGALLY BINDING contract if a player gets fed up and decides he wants to leave, and is then allowed to?
    When you sign a contract, you are knowingly committing yourself to the club for that set period of time, in this case for five years.If you can just leave whenever you feel like it,it defeats the purpose of entering into the contract in the first place.If a player becomes unsettled, he must realise he has to honour that solemn commitment he made.Otherwise it shows a lack of respect and loyalty to the club and supporters, and disrupts the clubs plans for the future.
    In summary, contracts must be taken SERIOUSLY, or else we might as well have only loans between clubs.

  101. Andy Mack says:

    Although Cesc says he only wants to go to barca, if someone else makes us a big offer and we accept it, Cesc will listen (unless it’s madrid, of course). Adebarndoor only wanted to play for us or AC milan, or was it real madrid… or whoever offered him the biggest salary.
    No player who’s happy at the club he’s with, says he’ll play anywhere else. Because of the Cesc Barca history, when asked by journalists every year for the last 5 years, if he had said he’d only play for us, everyone would say ‘what about you childhood team?’ and would know he was bluffing. He was trying to show a human ‘hometown’ side. He’s a very calm and sensible young man.
    If AC milan offered £50m and a good contract to Cesc, he’d go. Barca isn’t the only potential buyer, but they are the preferred buyer in Cescs eyes.

  102. Nedu says:

    There’s no new post yet so lets continue fightin on this one. Someone here said ozil’s price will rise after the world cup. Well its not actually true cos he has 1yr left on his contract and could come to us on a free next june. And did anyone see inler against spain yesterday? The guy was immense and he’s 2yrs left wit contract talks already stalling(same wit ozil). Then in the ghana squad, there are two asamoahs-kwado(the cm that plays wit udenise) and gyan(the attacker that plays in holland)! That one is for the two fighters in here. As for cesc, liken it to ribery’s case. He definitely wanted out but the manager made a huge HUGE statement by signing robben and ribery, as of recently, has extended his contract wit the bavs. Such could happen to cesc u know?

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