If The Clock Works Don’t Try And Fix It.

I think that it is fair to say that if Van Persie had not got injured we would be top of the league right now; well, I feel confident that every Arsenal supporter would agree with that, perhaps there is the odd misguided Chav who might try and differ but what do they know?

A great debate followed as to whether the squad had what is takes to compensate for the loss and go on to win the league. Many felt that Walcott, Eduardo, Vela and Bendtner were more than enough while early losses against Sunderland and Chelsea gave strength to the view that a new striker had to be bought at all costs to save our title hopes. We will probably have to wait until the end of the season to find out who is right.

In the mean time, I regard it as absolutely normal for any supporter to want the club to strengthen the squad in every single transfer window, January being no exception and, what’s more, I like the way Wenger is going about it.

It is often assumed that Wenger targets his man and goes after him as soon as the window opens, if not before: Vermaelen, Sagna and Eduardo spring to mind but I am not convinced that that is always the case. It seems to me that sometimes he has to advertise that he is in the market to strengthen a particular position and wait in hope that offers come in.

And that, it also seems to me, is exactly what he has done in recent weeks: as soon as Van Persie got injured Wenger made it clear via the press that he would be entering the January transfer market. This was an advert aimed at all the agents throughout the world making them aware that if they represented a striker that Arsenal might be interested in they should get in touch.

The reason I like this so much is that it removes the possibility of later finding out, for example, that David Villa would have entertained the idea of signing for Arsenal if only he had known. Unfortunately, there have been no press reports that he might be interested but it has flushed out rumours of Huntelaar and Benzema among others I suspect that we havn’t heard of.

This plan would have almost certainly attracted interest from agents of lesser players that are of no interest to Wenger which, to me, validates the statement of: ‘We will only buy if they are better than what is already at the club’ and quite right too.

So, we are in a position of hoping for a late Christmas present, otherwise we have to rely on the strike force that we have and this is not all doom and gloom. Perhaps it was a bit optimistic to expect Eduardo, Walcott and Vela to hit the ground running but after the frustration at Burnley there were real signs against Hull that we have found a system that might take us successfully to the end of the season.

The main protagonists are, of course, Arshavin and Vermaelen, the latter taking care of the defence and the former now dictating the attack. The Hull game was far more than a three – nil win over what should really be a Championship team, to me it as the first time we developed an attack that worked since Van Persie’s injury. It was telling that Wenger played Eduardo out on the wing and left Walcott on the bench: Eduardo is not ready and Theo may never be ready. This gave Arshavin the vote of confidence to go on and dictate terms up front. Enter Diaby, freed from the dominant influence of Fabregas, he excelled.

Which brings me to my title above: The winning system developed against Hull needs to be protected; we can beat Villa and the same team is strong enough to do it. If Fabregas is anything other than 100% fit I hope he is not included in the starting line up. If he is 98% fit and possibly strong enough to play, then leave him on the bench ready to come on if things are not going our way.


149 Responses to If The Clock Works Don’t Try And Fix It.

  1. London says:

    Good Morning Roasters

    This won it for me yesterday, nice one Rico.

  2. Tiki says:

    Hello, hello. I agree that it would be tempting to leave Fab on the bench as an impact sub. Might put pressure on Diaby to stake a claim.

  3. London says:

    Welcome Tiki

    You understand exactly what I was trying to say.

  4. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    Hi Tiki, welcome to Avenell Road you are free to come straight on now with no hold ups..

    Morning London.. Nice Post.. I had better go and read it now.. 😉

  5. Big Raddy says:

    Good post London. Nice to read something a bit different and positive.

    Sad that AW needs to advertise that we will look at players. Isn’t that what the scouting team are for? I understand that we tracked TV for a season prior to his signing, from his social habits to his dietary regime.

    It is with such depth of analysis that we have such a high percentage of successful signings.

    I hope we don’t make a knee jerk signing in Jan…. I am sure we won’t !

    The on-off Chamakh saga could see him signed, but AW will not be bullied by Bourdeaux, so I will be surprised to see him in the red & white.

    Dzeko? Perhaps, but he is European Flavour of the Month.

    I would take a dip on a loan signing of Huntelaar, if that is possible.

  6. avenell says:

    Yeah good post London..

    I think the transfer market with the clubs, agents and managers all playing different games for there own agenda’s make the signing of players not as clear cut as some people like to think it is.
    Sometimes the clubs moan about players agents, yet sometimes they use them to unload there clients and feel the market (.com).
    I would suggest that we know about a thousand players and some we know more about than others.
    we have a valuation for the more sought after ones and if one could come in under that valuation Arsene will buy.
    The wants list just changes as we pick up injuries or we want to unload a player or he wants to go..

    Morning Raddy..

  7. Rasputin says:

    Morning roadsters,

    Good post London – although I didn’t know it was up and have been F5ing the prveious one wondering what I had done to upset eyou all 😳

    I like to raed positive stuff, but would still suggest that we only have the personnel to play one way and yet persist in pumping high balls into the box. We are lacking in width and don’t have anyone who can cross the ball – paradoxically, those are the 2 greatest areas of strength for Villa….

  8. avenell says:

    Morning Rasp…

    Hows your pipes?

  9. Irishgunner says:

    AW said he is “looking” at a player since RvP is injured, am I the only one to figure him out?? He’ll sign a defender, fact!!

  10. Big Raddy says:


    It is true that we resort to crosses, I guess we hope to pick up the knock downs and attack from there. The accuracy of the cross is more important when we have such a small strike force, and that is where we are lacking,

    I would suggest that we have more than one way to attack. The Hull game is a case in point…… first goal, a free kick from distance. Second, from a cross at the bye line. Third, through the middle. And we have scored quite a few from headers at set pieces.

    Where we lack is the bullet header from a cross, but we haven’t played that way for many years.

  11. andy p says:

    What a fabulous post. I have been making the prediction that Eduardo will come good and start showing his class. He did really well against hull in my opinion. He was holding up the ball really well and was linking up well. He looks much stronger on the ball than when he first signed. He is the first new signing!

    Don’t give up hope on walcott either, he is very much a confidence player and at the moment his confidence is nil, as soon as that comes back and he gets match practice, he will reign terror on opposition defences, his challenge is to not pick up any injuries.

    Now it comes down to whether wenger will bring in a cf or not. If he does, it will need to be someone exceptional. That will cost us lots of cash and the players attitude has to be spot on. Another adebayor anyone? I think not.

    Last, is the defensive mid position, I doubt anyone will be brought in either.that is understandable, and I have no complaints , and I am happy to be surprised! Equally happy if coquelin or eastmond get a chance to play a small role…

    Lastly, against villa, it. Would be fantastic to see diaby play in the fabregas position for at least one half. He gives us something different and is a super talented attacking midfielder. Just needs consistency

  12. Rasputin says:

    Hi ave,

    I’ve turned the mains off so no further leaks. The same thing happened last year and I had 13 separate burst pipes and the ceiling had to be replaced – so I’m expecting it to be expensive 😦

    Hi Irish, BP is off so he may thibk he should buy a defender, but I can’t see him spending more than £5m – I still don’t think we’ll buy anyone at all.

    I agree with London – the ‘announcement’ about signing someone was partly a clarion call to see if anyone would come out of the wwodword – but so far appears to have drwan a blank. Any player good enough (experienced) to be able to come straight into the side and perform for the rest of the season is either going to be expensive or already in the prem = Carlton Cole

  13. Irishgunner says:

    If Senderos leaves which I think he will and pretty soon that leaves us with Silvestre as cover, that’s madness to ignore that, madness.

  14. avenell says:

    Morning (whatever) Irish.

    When is Djourou back? Must be February surely.
    If so perhaps Arsene has faith in him and at 6’4″ he could be the perfect partner for Vermaelen.. I suppose Johan can play RH as he did when he played with Sendersaurus.
    Then if he can break into the first team give Gallas a couple more years as a transformation period and we should be okay for 5 years.

  15. kelsey says:


    nice post especially the headline.

    Senderos must be on the way out, he doesn’t get a sniff and though he hasn’t a great value,the boss will be lining someone else up,or has already done so.

    I don’t think Cesc will play,it says 50-50 and he didn’t train.I would stick with the same team as Hull,excaept for traore for Silvestre.

    Then make your minf up boss,give vela a starting chance or sell him and I am afraid the same goes for Walcott.Can’t agree about confidence skilss with him, his football skills are not improving.

  16. Irishgunner says:

    What happens if both Vermaelen and Gallas get injured in January???

    I thought Wenger wrote Djourou out for the season? He’ll never be fit by the end of Jan/Feb – not a hope.

  17. kelsey says:

    quite right irish, and hello, djourou is out for the season with RVP, gibbs until march and bedntner end feb to be match fit.

    thin on numbers springs to mind.

  18. London says:

    Morning BR

    I’m not sure I fully understand why it is sad, unless it is sad in the sense that we are not the richest club in the world and Wenger cannot just identify a player he wants and then go and get him. But, even if that were the case, the hypothetical player would still have to want to come to Arsenal and it is this wanting to join the club that I think the advertising is more of a practical reality than that of a sad one.

    This brings me back to the David Villa example, Wenger can pin point him all he wants but unless Villa makes the first move by responding to the advert and expresses an interest in joining Arsenal then it seems to me that it would be a bit of a waste of time Wenger contacting him.


    We have Bendtner to come back and head it down to Arshavin or Eduardo so it follows that the potential signing has got to be better than the Great Dane.


    Totally agree, if Senderos goes only a fool would not add to the defence.

    Andy P

    Love the opening line 😉

    And now I am going to watch the chavs lose with a bit of luck which will make tomorrow a nine pointer.

  19. avenell says:

    Silvestre, Sagna or Song after the ANC would cover..
    I am just thinking the way Wenger’s mind works.
    Bring in a half decent CB and he would get ahead of one of Arsene’s projects.
    6 months out from the start of September fo Djourou I just looked it up.. (fingers crossed)

    Hi Kelsey.. At least if we sell Vela or Walcott we should get some decent dosh for them as they are on long contracts.. But if they are not playing they are not being advertised.

  20. Irishgunner says:

    Sagna???? Go away from me, Wenger does that I’ll fly him back to France myself, ludicrous … madness … that crap wouldn’t wash with.

    Djourou is out for the season and Silvestre is a back up back up, any team that cares about winning would want two half decent CB cover on the squad list.

    Song is a midfielder and the ACN will ruin him for about a month after anyway with tiredness.

  21. avenell says:

    Google it Irish.. here is an example..

    In his Premier League debut, Sagna started in the 2–1 win over Fulham at the Emirates and again impressed. The French full-back is predominantly a right-back, although he can play centre-back, left-back and in midfield.

  22. Irishgunner says:

    So lets say all the LBs are out so Silvestre is there, Vermaelen gets injured and Sagna plays besides Gallas and then Eboue is at the ACN – what happens?? Gilbert? Hoyte?

  23. avenell says:

    Might as well say that a meteorite has landed on the Emirates.. it ain’t happened yet.

    Traore, Gallas, Vermaelen, Sagna nor Silvestre arn’t injured yet (gulp).

    We only lose Eboue and Song for a month at worst. and Clichy must be nearing fitness.

    To top it all one or two of the January games are in the FA cup.

    Wenger is never going to sign a Upson and sit him on the bench for £10 mill not in a million years.

  24. Irishgunner says:

    Who said anything about signing Upson for £10mil?

    All I suggest is that he buys a decent back-up. He got Vermaelen for £10mil and he’s twice the player Upson is so I’m sure he could buy a decent CB back up for a few million.

    ” We only lose Eboue and Song for a month at worst” – because they all come back fit and right as rain from the three weeks of packed in, competitive football!!!

    Its common sense for Wenger to buy some defensive back up.

  25. Irishgunner says:

    Flip!!! C’mon Birmingham

  26. avenell says:

    Who said I’m disagreeing.. I was just suggesting what Arsene may be thinking?

  27. avenell says:

    I am not trying to be rude here but I am out for a bit..

    Cheers Irish.. 🙂

  28. Irishgunner says:

    Who said I said you were disagreeing? I was just suggesting what Arsene should be thinking.

  29. Irishgunner says:

    Alright later Avenell, I’m watching the Chavs vs Birmingham game and then off to bed.

  30. Big Raddy says:

    London. I say “Sad” because players should be begging to come to THOF, Naive perhaps, but that is my belief.

    A combination of sensational wages, the opportunity to play at one of the best stadiums in the world, under a manager of huge standing, and for one of the top 6 teams in the world….. why should we need to advertise?

    Especially as we have a scouting set up supposedly second to none.

  31. Big Raddy says:

    Another linesman is going on a Russian paid Caribbean cruise !

  32. Irishgunner says:


    No Drogba, No Kalou, No Anelka, No Malouda now AHAHAHA 😆

  33. Irishgunner says:

    That’ll suit Arsenal, nice one Birmingham.

  34. avenell says:

    Just caught the last 1/4 🙂

  35. Irishgunner says:

    We should buy Hart or Sorenson – two keepers who should be at European clubs.

  36. Irishgunner says:

    Togo Twat didn’t even make the Citeh sub bench unless he’s off to the ACN already.

    Spurs still can’t get passed us with two more games played ha ha

  37. avenell says:

    The way Birmingham are playing they will be in the Europa next year..

    They were far better that Chelsea from what I saw .. and dirty Ballack was up to his usual.

  38. Irishgunner says:

    Lampard didn’t liked been subbed – odd one though no matter how disappointing he is in a game he always pops up with a few shots.

    Chelsea have no strikers and Mancs no defenders – great stuff

  39. avenell says:

    Haha Ade.. you can fool some of the Man City managers some of the time..

    Career over.. 🙂

  40. avenell says:

    I just read the Red Sox have lost Berbatov for 3 months..

    If they lose Rooney too lol…. A couple of Red Cards will help. 🙂

  41. Irishgunner says:

    Beyonce might be looking for a new striker if they let Huntelaar go??

    I should really get some sleep or should I watch Citeh vs Stoke???

  42. avenell says:

    Your on holiday .. watch the footie.. 🙂

    I am going to do an hours work and come back for the last 20 mins again..

    Might see you then.. if not Nighty Night catch up tomorrow..

  43. Irishgunner says:

    Barndoor has an … ahem … ankle injury!!

  44. Irishgunner says:

    Nah think I’ll go to bed, only giving Citeh more importance than they deserve.

    Catch you tomorrow for the Arsenal game. Night, night.

  45. London says:

    I missed the second half of the Chav game, pretty luckily considering how dull the first half was but what happened to Maluda that he is out for a while?

  46. avenell says:

    He got one of those red pieces of cardboard for Christmas from the ref.. 🙂

  47. avenell says:

    Spuds draw … Man City one up.. 😦

  48. David says:

    Disagree completely.

    You cannot use a poor team like Hull to judge anything.

    Youre also escaping the fact that we were gutter shite first half.

    We didnt start clicking at all and we usually dont until we get a 1 goal cushion where hull decided they wanted to come out.

    Diaby is important but far too inconsistent as we know and have seen.

    It is imperative we strengthen and i think it is the height of silliness to blow a season away just to prove weather or not experimenting with the players we have right now are good enough.

  49. London says:

    Interesting comment as usual David

    Hull too poor: Yes, Barcelona would have been a better yard stick but as the saying goes ‘You can only beat the team that is put in front of you.’ I think I suggested above that Hull were no more than a Championship side.

    Utter shite in first half: true, but a match lasts 90 minutes and we grew in confidence and belief as the game went on.

    Diaby far too inconsistent: you will be telling me that grass is green next.

    It is imperative that we strengthen: And if we don’t, I will move along so you can cling to the same straw that I am clutching and that is we might just have found an attacking system to successfully take us to the end of the season.

  50. rico says:

    Afternoon Roasters

    Fine piece London although I disagree with the Hull theory – I know it is perhapssilly of me to say this as they missed the penalty, but, had they have scored, I wonder how we would have reacted?

    We got a ‘lucky’ free kick and Denilson scored a wonderful goal – but had they made it 1-1 from a very lucky penalty decision I am not sure whether we would have had the ‘balls’ to go on and win..

    I still think we need 2/3 players who are ready and able to perform to the highest standard the PL needs for a trophy, especially as soon Song will depart for the ACON –

    From the 1st January those who doubted Song’s value in our side will realise just how good a player his really is..

  51. London says:

    If Hull had scored………..

    Every now and then our leader comes up with an undisputable gem.

    “Might as well say that a meteorite has landed on the Emirates.. it ain’t happened yet.” (Avenell)

    Hi Rico

    Loved your ‘Hi Roasters’ when I read it yesterday.

  52. rico says:

    Saying that, I thought Diaby played the best in a long while in the second half against Hull, I used to think Denilson was the back up for Cesc but now I think that player could be Diaby as he attacks better than he defends…

    But then we have all been saying that for ages about Diaby…

  53. rico says:

    Hi London, hope you had a good day yesterday and plenty of ..

    Roasties 😉 😉 just knew you would love it…

  54. London says:

    The proof will really be in tomorrow’s pudding if we beat Villa my post will make complete sense and if we lose I better write a match report pronto. But, you understand how it works, we needed a post today so hey ho.

  55. avenell says:

    Oi.. Oi.. Diaby and Fabregas are like chalk and cheese.

    Fabregas is about vision and playing others into the game and Diaby is about er.. er… He’s more of a Gerrard. Except he cannot do the thrusting runs, or the shooting. or the passing.. 😉

    Song has become our second best passer when it comes to a killer ball.

  56. London says:

    Yes, thank you Rico

    A day with my immeditate family all very calm and pleasant, but I am looking to shouting my head off tomorrow.

  57. avenell says:

    Anyone going to watch the Dippers?..

    The Scousers are saying Rafa should just walk out on Liverpool and terminate his own contract..

    Like they would walk away from that sort of Dosh themselves..

  58. London says:

    Hi Ave

    I think the point is that the Fab position, which to me, is just in front of Song and Denilson, is the only one that Diaby can play.

  59. kelsey says:

    hi rico, missed you yesterday with the dog party 🙂

    off to watch the wanderers win

  60. avenell says:

    I would shift him a step further forward than that..

    I don’t like the way you are saying in front of Song AND Denilson.. 😦

  61. kelsey says:

    Sagna – Gallas – Vermaelen – Traore
    Arshavin – Denilson – Diaby – Nasri

    that’s the team for me.no theo or vela

  62. rico says:

    Trust you ave, I am not comparing the two, just suggesting that Diaby is perhaps a better player in the attacking midfielder role when Cesc is injured – just for one second imagine him alongside an Essien type of midfielder……

    Glad to hear you had a peaceful day London, tomorrow could be very noisey for you…..

  63. London says:

    I forgot they were playing, are they losing yet? Lardy will never walk there is too much money at stake. If he walks he doesn’t get a penny. He will have to be bought out witch is the done thing in Spain, they even have a special word for the pay off. I have forgotten it but if anyone knows please let me know.

  64. rico says:

    hey kelsey, you must have had fab time, did i read right? Nine dogs t the party?? 🙂

  65. London says:


    Yes, I knew as I was writting it that it might ruffle your feathers.

    I am hoping that Diaby has another good game tomorrow and when Song goes to ACoN, Fabregas plays next to Denilson with Diaby still in front.

  66. rico says:

    Song, Denilson and Diaby for me = 3 players doing the job of 2 – sorry kelsey…

  67. London says:

    I, on the other hand, hope to see the same team as yours tomorrow Kelsey.

  68. avenell says:

    If Arsene was brave enough..

    ….. Almunia..

    Sagna… Gallas…. TV… Traore..

    ………… Song…..

    …… Fabregas….. Nasri..

    AA…. .. Dudu….. Diaby…

    Or stick AA left and use Eboue on the right.. Use Diaby to support Dudu.. just break up the three crabmigo’s..

  69. London says:

    Crabmigo’s Lol

  70. London says:

    And if Fabregas is still not fit?

  71. kelsey says:

    nine dogs rico, that’s right 5 of mine plus their friends.

    just watched the first half,liverpool have lost it,not the team they were,if wolves could finish they would be ahead.

    even if pool sneak a win, they will do nothing this year.

    thank you london, we willl see.

  72. London says:

    Actually, looking at your team, if Fabreags is not fit you have to include Denilson because Nasri and Diaby offer no defensive help what so ever. The outcome is that you end up with Kelsey’s team.

  73. avenell says:

    Fabregas will be okay.. I just hope we don’t rush him back..

    Ah… if not Ramsey (your new Cesc 😉 )..

  74. avenell says:

    My team would be..

    Hot Dog Man in Gillespie Road… Denilson..

    Programe Seller….. Ticket Tout..

    Turnstyle Man….. Steward…

    …. Almunia..

    Sagna… Gallas… TV… Traore..


    .. Ramsey…… Nasri…

    AA…..Dudu….. Diaby….

  75. avenell says:

    The Ref has just handed the Dippers the game..

    No he has booked the wrong player…. no he hasn’t he has stiched wolves up..

  76. rico says:

    What sums it up for me – just as in my mind I think (in no order or placement)

    Almunia/Fabianski, TV, Gallas, Traore, Sagna, Cesc, Song, Arshavin, Eduardo

    I then struggle to think of who next – that is I guess why I still think we need two players…

  77. avenell says:

    Do you not like Nasri?.. Dippers have just scored..

  78. rico says:

    I forgot ave, its a home game so Nasri may have a good game!

    To be fair, Eduardo was a struggle to list 😦

    Have you turned into that famous Snowman??

  79. rico says:

    Yep, Frosty! 😦

  80. avenell says:

    No I would have melted.. It’s warmed up a fair bit..

  81. rico says:

    Good oh, has here too

  82. avenell says:

    2-0 now .. typical Anfield refereeing..

  83. avenell says:

    Did you have a good day yesterday.. (pub?)? 🙂

  84. rico says:

    No pub ave, but a lovely peaceful day thanks, you??

  85. avenell says:

    Yeah it was okay thanks.. I had to pick Mrs Avenell up so I didn’t drink much..
    I might try one in a minute though.. 😉

  86. rico says:

    Ah, a Stella no doubt 😆

    Were you home alone then all day ?

  87. avenell says:

    No just the afternoon..

    Stella or Peroni… eynee meeeny myneee mo..

    Are you trying one.? 😉

  88. peachesgooner says:

    Hi you two, happy boxing day 😛

    Some nice results again…….

  89. avenell says:

    Hi Peaches.. not the Dippers though.. Don’t know why I am still watching..

    But the Chavs one is good.. 🙂

  90. London says:

    If Fabregas is fit


    If Fabregas is not fit


    It’s not that I would play Song and Denilson all the time but in certain games it makes sense to me.

  91. avenell says:

    At least I can look forward to Song going away to the ACN.. Denilson can stand in for him.
    Will this be Songs last game or will he be around for Pompey?

    When he comes back Rosicky and Bendtner might be fit..
    Then Song can replace Denilson..
    Back to the bench 🙂

  92. rico says:

    I am on the Becks ave – yum yum 🙂

    Hi peaches, missed you yesterday, hope you didn’t have too much cooking to do 😦 Happy Boxing Day to you too 😉

  93. rico says:

    Do you mean that about Song ave, you honestly looking forward to him going off to the ACON?

  94. London says:

    I like a Becks myself.

    You tell him Rico

  95. peachesgooner says:

    Hi ave – are you worried about Liverpool? I think we should be able to cement ourselves into 2nd for now and if we can’t hold on to it it’ll be our own fault – the gods and the fat lady have given us lots of help so far – we need to be deserving now…… 😉

  96. avenell says:

    Only to break up the crab combination…

    We are going from an exciting team back to the bore draw team of last Jan..

  97. peachesgooner says:

    London – I think you’re spot on with both of your teams, Theo to come off the bench and terrify them 🙂

    Hi rico – non-stop kitchen action, why do I do it? Everyone had a lovely time though so I really can say it was good fun. Had a bad head all day so didn’t drink but I can make up for it now 😛

    Hope you all had lovely days too ……

  98. avenell says:

    Peaches I just want Liverpool to implode.. On the radio etc they still suggest they are a bigger club than us.

    Even though we have acheived more than them in the last 20 years, we have a bigger ground than them, we turn more money than them.. unsure about the fan base

    I want them to go back to reality..

  99. London says:

    It would be interesting to know more about the fan base numbers.

    Hi Peaches.

  100. peachesgooner says:

    ave – I don’t see how we’ll be a boring draw team again this January – we have Theo and Fabregas fit and Arshavin and Vermaelen ready to up the ante whenever its needed…….

    Are you saying that many won’t appreciate what Song brings to the team until hes away? I don’t think that there are many left who would say that hes not pulling his weight now. Even his most fervent detractors appreciate him now………..

  101. rico says:

    Becks in the glass and on the pitch for me London – love them both :lol

    ave – I have to honest, after Cesc, TV and Gallas, Song would always be the next name on my team sheet…

    peaches, the things we girls have to do eh, cook, cook and then cook 😦 Had a lovely day too thanks, the pups kept us entertained all day 😉

    And who did kill Archie kelsey ?? Must have been Peggy….

  102. rico says:

    I just want them relagated, bankrupt and in the gutter, is that the same as wanting them to implode ave 😉 😉

  103. London says:

    Song, Denilson and Diaby are not the same players they were this time last season; they have all improved, the result being that there is less crab football.

  104. peachesgooner says:

    Hi London.

    Its true that the media see Liverpool as a bigger club than us but surely thats based on their European cup history.

  105. avenell says:

    No Peaches I am saying Song OR Denilson.. not both. Song would be my no 1 choice by far.

    I don’t agree that Diaby or Denilson have improved that much.
    Our style has gone backwards again since they have all come back into the team..

  106. avenell says:

    When was the last time we played good football?

  107. London says:

    I didn’t say that they have improved a lot I just said that they had improved. The goals from Denilson go a long way to changing my mind and I was very happy with the assist and the goal that Diaby scored last weekend

    As for when was the last time we played some good football alla Henry, Pires, Bergkamp…….too bloody long is the answer to that question.

  108. rico says:

    2004 ave 😉

  109. rico says:

    London, I think Song has improved an awful lot, he has grown in every aspect of his game through my ‘Becks’ eyes 😉

  110. London says:


    I agree but Ave just pointed to Diaby and Denilson not having improved that much.

    Are you blogging and drinking Rico? My blogging license has got more points than a hedgehog.

  111. avenell says:

    The team we had with Hleb, Flamini, Rosicky and Fabregas was the best football I have ever seen us play at times.

    The purest Wengerball I have ever seen..

    Then earlier this year when RvP, AA, Rosicky, Fabregas came very close.

  112. avenell says:

    and indeed with Song playing in the above..

  113. rico says:

    That is so funny London, but it took me a few seconds 😉 😉

    Sure am, Gladiator is on in the background but all a bit to violent for me 😦

    We talked about how long it took to build The Emirates, how long did it take to build The Colosseum?? Amazing!

  114. peachesgooner says:

    I agree with ave – we haven’t played good football consistently for years but we are still up there with the other big boys – must be doing something right mustn’t we………

    Hleb, Flamini, Rosicky and Fabregas had everyone drooling not just us ……..

  115. rico says:

    This squad and the football was pretty good….


    33 Graham Stack, 1 Jens Lehmann(from 07/25/2003), 24 Rami Shaaban, 13 Stuart James Taylor


    22 Gael Clichy, 12 Bisan Etame Mayer Lauren, 18 Pascal Cygan, 23 Sol Campbell, 20 Philippe Senderos, 3 Ashley Cole, 5 Martin Keown


    7 Robert Pires, Justin Hoyte, 19 Aparecido Gilberto Silva, 17 Eduardo Cesar Daude Gaspar Edu, 4 Patrick Vieira, 28 Kolo Toure, 8 Fredrik Ljungberg, 15 Raymond Parlour


    14 Thierry Henry, 11 Sylvain Wiltord, 25 Nwankwo Kanu, 30 Jeremie Aliadiere, 10 Dennis Nicolaas Bergkamp

  116. kelsey says:

    And who did kill Archie kelsey ?? Must have been Peggy…said rico……i agree it all points to her,especially as she is leaving.

  117. kelsey says:

    kelsey Says:
    December 26, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    And who did kill Archie kelsey ?? Must have been Peggy…said rico……i agree it all points to her,especially as she is leaving.

  118. kelsey says:

    we have no real idol, hero, someone who makes your hair stand up on end,someone to love, that’s what missing in this team.

  119. London says:

    It’s a good point the first half of Villa away 2007/08 with all the above was the pinacle, I say the first half because they took Hleb out….but we still won.

    But if the truth be told, looking back does not sit comfortably with me; I am a next game junkie and probably because of that I like to believe that both Diaby and Denilson will keep on improving.

  120. avenell says:

    The point about the football being good..

    Take out Rosicky and replace with Theo.. 10 players left to Wengerball.

    Take out RvP and replace with Diaby via AA.. only 9 players to Wengerball.. In the end Wengerball is diluted down and Crab-ball starts to take over and we become the draw kings with the most possesion in the world..

    But the stats will tell you most completed passes..

  121. London says:

    Your drinking Stella 😉

    The football was pretty good just before Van Persie got injured; since then we have been struggling to find an alternative…….hang on, didn’t someone right a post on this?

  122. London says:

    Ave the same applies to any period, if you take out Henry, Pires and Bergkamp or Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky the team would be diluted.

  123. avenell says:

    Yeah half a can so far.. I went for that over the Peroni.. 🙂

    I don’t think it’s a striker problem.. more of a build up from the midfield problem.

    Eduardo or Vela could have finished the chances that were created for RvP up until October..

  124. avenell says:

    I think we are getting slightly confused to where the debate lies..

    I am saying at the moment we don’t have no alternative so I have to agree.
    But if I had the choice of a few walking wounded back I would drop Denilson.. where as I don’t think you would.

    I can understand the dilution through injuries but not through choice.

  125. London says:

    Although with a fit Van Persie and a Rosicky on his game we have a very good team.


    This could beat Barcelona

  126. London says:

    So we have found common ground: Denilson is playing while others are out, I took it for granted that that was what Kelsey orignally meant 😉

  127. avenell says:

    That I would agree with.. it’s the order of which players that we replace the injured with we disagree on..

    I feel Arsene takes the defensive option of Song, Denilson and Diaby in the same team too soon and ruins our style of play.

  128. avenell says:

    8.48.. London that is why I put up a more attacking team.

  129. rico says:


    Has to be Peggy, as you say, she is leaving, but why on earth would he be on the ground unless he was going to be boshed by a midget 😉 😉

  130. London says:

    Ok, I think I am blogged out for today. See you tomorrow.

  131. rico says:

    Reality is – think about our squad and think about who would fit in to or be wanted by all the true top sides around the world?

    Sadly, there are not many!

    But go back to the Pires, Paddy, Petit, Overmars, Freddie, Anelka, Sol, Adams, Gilberto’s of our day, every team around the world wanted them….


  132. rico says:

    Night night London, stay safe 😉

  133. avenell says:

    This team we have now when fit would beat them..

    The Premiership has moved up a gear since we ruled it back then..

  134. rico says:

    ave, now i know you are just trying to gee me up 😉

    I’m done for today too, you all be good

    night all

  135. avenell says:

    I wasn’t

    anyway night rico.. speak tomorrow..

  136. rico says:

    😳 sorry then master 😉

  137. avenell says:

    If you are still reading rico.. did you look at the stats today? Third best day ever.. moved up 26 places in Top Blogs and highest we have ever had on Soccerlinks.

  138. rico says:

    That is just great news ave, just what you hoped for – NN were a pain to get through to, but it all comes to those who wait – goodness knows how many times we must have completed that stoopid form, every day for two months – 😦

  139. peachesgooner says:

    I think kelsey put his finger on it a while back – we don’t have a hero at the moment – we have lots of players who could be heros but they’ve not taken their opportunities to excel consistently and so we feel a bit hard done by IMO.

  140. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry, I meant to ask how the hits were going……how are the hits going 😛

  141. avenell says:

    It would help if Arsene brought players in who the fans could make songs up for.. 😉

    Are there many hero’s in the Premiership out of all the teams? Fabregas and AA are as good as any..

    Yeah well done rico, you did well..

  142. avenell says:

    If AA dyed his hair red, instant hero.. 🙂

  143. peachesgooner says:

    Thats the problem ave – we do have the heros in the making but it seems they’re not stepping up as often as we would like………Rosicky and Eduardo coming back from long-term injuries could have hit the ground running and be legends now……..its a bit frustrating…..

    Theo still gets a really big cheer when his name is called out……..the crowd at the Emirates are really behind him.

    If Eboue had a half-decent final ball he’d be a hero too…….

  144. avenell says:

    I reckon it isn’t a bad thing Arsene is creating a team unit full of alike worker ants..
    All good at what they do.. then when one thinks he is better on his own like Hleb, Flamini or Ade they leave and fall flat on there arses because we are a unit not a team of individuals anymore. don’t step outside the Arsenal circle
    We are Wengerball.

  145. avenell says:

    There might be a NEW POST at 9.. I have left the blog on auto pilot..

    Night Roadsters..

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