When The Supporting Gets Tough, The Tough Get Supporting.

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192 Responses to When The Supporting Gets Tough, The Tough Get Supporting.

  1. London says:

    Morning All

    I think Ave has written a report, this is just up there to, well, this is how I feel this morning.

  2. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    Well done London – I agree with the sentiment 😉

    However, you can support but also be realistic. Chelsea comprehensively outplayed us in every department yesterday. We did not have the players available to do anything about it.

  3. London says:

    Morning Rasp

    It is going to be interesting to see how Wenger reacts to this. If he truly thought he had a team capable of matching Chelsea then he should realise that that idea is lying on the floor in tatters. If he reacts constructively then we should be fine but if he tries to deny it then even I, AKB numero uno, my have to consider switching sides.

  4. Rasputin says:

    I agree London, I know everyone is too balanced on this site to take part in the over-reaction and carnage that is inevitably going to happen elsewhere. If we really want to beat the top sides, tinkering with formations and the personnel we have will not be enough – we need to buy a couple of players.

  5. London says:

    I think that probably is the yard stick in which to gauge whether Wenger is in denial or not.

  6. Rasputin says:

    He’s human London, he must be shell shocked this morning. I hate to hark back, but in the old days he would have gone off and had a heart to heart with DD, is there anyone at the club he can talk to in that way because he must need bolstering himself?

  7. kelsey says:

    Emotions run high after a heavy defeat, and in hindsight some of the comments by my fellow Arsenal fans are a bit outrageous. I have read we need at least 6 new players, the match was fixed, Cesc is off in the Summer and we played with a weakened team. We have not suddenly turned into an average team overnight, but what the match showed that beautiful passing and a high percentage of possession, counts for nothing, if one doesn’t score first. We were contained in the final third of the pitch and overall had one or two half chances. The most ardent Arsenal fans, if they were truthful to themselves knew we were playing one of the best teams in Europe and even a point would have sufficed. Chelsea fans that I know, were slightly nervous before hand, but even they couldn’t have thought how easy it would be to contain us, let alone score three. The last two home matches against Chelsea we have let in seven goals, and that speaks volumes in itself. Though injuries can claim to be a partial excuse, the gap between us and Chelsea is as great as it was last season. I feel it is time that Wenger got out of his comfort zone, and finally realise that his plan A never really changes. With regards to the physical side, we are a bit lightweight but the opening two goals were more a lapse in defensive marking than anything else. One day a manager might just come out in his post match interview and be honest in his appraisal of the game. I feel I must mention the reaction shown by Fabregas during the last few minutes of the game, not what one wants to see from the captain of the side. Well played Chelsea, Ancelotti completely out thought Wenger, and IMO it’s Chelsea title this season.

  8. London says:

    Good comment Kelsey, all sadly true.

  9. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    Thanks for that London – you’re right on the button, Arsenal get my vote every time.

    Come on Arsene sort it out – stop telling them how wonderful they are at the things that they do well and giving them a kick up the back-side for the things they do wrong. The defending has been shocking all season – I know we have an excellent pairing in Gallas and Vermaelen but we have to start defending as a team.

    I havn’t quite calmed down yet…..

  10. peachesgooner says:

    The spectacle fairy has just shown me where my glasses were hiding – much better now 🙂

  11. peachesgooner says:

    Evening Irish – gonna have a read of your report now

  12. London says:

    The spectacle fairy…lol….but I know exactly what you mean 😉

  13. Irishgunner says:

    Morning Peaches 😉

    Just sums up my feeling, didn’t go through the whole team, Cesc dropped the head but any of his passes were going nowhere, he missed RvP as much as the rest of us.

  14. peachesgooner says:

    Well said Irish, all true – we need a new box of fairy dust it seems or maybe a change of tactics or even a Centre Forward – a nice tall strong chap who knows where the goal is and would like to play Wengerball.

  15. Rasputin says:

    Should have bought Huntelaar …..

  16. London says:

    Well, I will put my hand up….I didn’t expect Eduardo to be so ineffectual….he makes no runs which not only cancels out our attack but it nullifies the world class creativity of Fabregas….perhaps Eduardo just needs a goal. I’m clutching at any straw this morning.

  17. Irishgunner says:

    Eduardo was very bad, if that was Bendtner the normal brigade would be out saying how they knew how useless he is….

    Same as the “Wenger Out” crowd will be in full force. Wenger doesn’t need to go he just needs to see the light, stop whining and blaming everyone else, just sort these things, if he needs help bring in a defensive coach.

    What is so very annoying is that our problems are easily fixed imo.

  18. Rasputin says:

    What’s ahead….

    CC against Citeh – we’ll play a very young team and go out

    CL, Olympiacos … we’ll play a weakened team, result irrelevant

    5 prem games – we should get at least 10 points
    Stoke at home
    Pool away
    Burnley away
    Hull at home
    Villa at home
    Portsmouth away

    Likely position at the end of December 3rd/4th

  19. Rasputin says:

    Hi Irish 😉

    By “our problems are easily fixed” do you mean without buying?

  20. Irishgunner says:

    Hiya Rasp 😀

    Bit of both.

    1. Need a defensive coach.
    2. Need someone to put input in that Wenger will be made listen to. Even Liam Brady???
    3. Need a new goalkeeper.
    4. Target Man.
    5. I think Sagna and Clichy are quite good defenders its just imo Wenger doesn’t concentrate on their defensive duties enough.

  21. Rasputin says:

    I agree with all that Irish. I hope Fabianski plays against citeh and if he does OK keep him and give him a run up to the New Year. If he does well in that period (better than Almunia!) carry on, if not we need to sell a keeper or two and consider splashing out on a world class goalie.

  22. Irishgunner says:

    Akinfeev would be nice, if not someone that may be older but has plenty experience.

  23. JonJon says:

    hello everyone..

    well its the morning after the nightmare before and i still feel empty inside…

    but i have calmed down..

    personally i pin no blame on wenger, he has showed frustration many times this season just like the fans and he has already said his players arent young anymore and they need to start performing,but looking back on the game our best performers yesterday were our young players…denilson, song, cesc, were outstanding compared to AA dudu and sagna who all had stinkers…

    for me we have a fundamental problem at the club..ive been one of those who actually thought we had enough to win the league this season, obviously i was wrong and yesterdays result was a real eye opener…

    we have one of the best attacks in the world..even without robin.the likes of cesc, dudu,AA rosicky nasri have enough in their locker to scare the shit out of any team…and we cant blame robin not being in the team..was he going to stop cole crossing freely all game????

    no…for me our problems lay on the wings…

    against the mediocre teams our weaknesses are not really recognised as we smash them with our passing and directness but when it comes to the bigger teams we struggle-and its the same reasons every time…

    chelsea for eg know we are strong through the centre..our midfeild trio did quite well…so they let us have the wings, they forced us out wide knowing we have nobody in the team who can cross,and even if they did find that one good ball in a million their was no chance dudu aa or nasri were going to beat terry or carvalho…we dont even cross with robin in the team so why start now???

    then there is the defensive side of our wing play…none of our FBs can defend..i thought gallas and tv were very good, they handled drogba and anelka pretty well for 40 minutes…it was sagnas inability once again to stop the crosses that exposed them..

    we all hate cole, but we forget he is one of the best in the world..we know that from his time with us..he can tackle he can dribble he can cross…so why the hell was he allowed to get to the by line time and again and whipp his cross into the best strike force in the PL at the minute???

    im afraid until we find a keeper who isnt afraid to come for every ball and punch through his own defenders to get it… and can keep a clean sheet..and until we find better Fbs..we will always have the same issues…

    i think we need to stop asking our fbs to push forward..unless its gibss none of them offer a final ball…we should tell them to stay back and hold the line with the CB’s…i believe then and only then we will start keeping clean sheet against the bigger teams…

  24. JonJon says:

    its like someone has already pointed out, you do not come an average team overnight, we are not an average team..we just get made to look average against the likes of chelsea…we played the PL champions of 2009-10 yesterday..and it showed..

    we suffered back to back defeats earlier in the season and then went on a run that made us contenders…i still think theres too much ground to catch on chelsea but manure ca still be caught

    we need to keep our chins up and hope wenger buys a striker in january

  25. peachesgooner says:

    Well said JonJon – basically we’re rubbish at defending, other teams that can’t score against us at least give us a hard time with their defending but we just open ourselves up to abuse………….

    Rasputin did a post about doing the simple things well and Irish has mentioned that in her ‘Bleacher Report’, Arsene needs to get back to basics on the training ground and do some home-work on opposing teams.

  26. Rasputin says:

    Hi JonJon,

    Its like I said yesterday, we beat the lesser teams because we’ve got a superior attack, we lose to the better teams because we have an inferior defence and at present lack a cutting edge up front.

    There is something we do to players in training that removes their natural shooting instict – or makes them afraid to shoot because a ‘brilliant pass’ is what they’ve been schooled into looking for. I’ve seen players come to the club and score with freedom in their first few games, yet within a couple of months I find myself screamming “FFS shoot” I’ve never seen a player so scared of having a shot as Hleb before he left.

    We must train at crossing and delivering corners and free kicks.

  27. JonJon says:

    hi guys

    yes peaches we seem to be the team that makes all the hard things look easy and the easy things look hard…

    rasp..i totally agree…
    i also feel we had a big proble yesterday with the fact that dudus and AAs mind seems to be somewhere else…cesc was looking for the killer pass time and again and those two were stagnant..even when they did get the ball they couldnt do anything with it…

    it was a very bad day at the office yesterday..wenger needs to sit some of these players down and ask them where they see their future…

  28. JonJon says:

    oh and ive been reading reports the last few days that the spanish have been crucifiying henry and he wants out of barca and guardiola wants to offload him…

    maybe a return home in january would be just what the doctor orderd…

    sure hes not the player he was but hes better then what we have at the minute..

  29. Rasputin says:

    I’ve read that elsewhere JonJon too…..

    I’d take him, at least we’d have someone who can get a freekick in goal – but don’t pay him £10m for the season (said that before ave could 😉 )

  30. peachesgooner says:

    Eduardo was pretty stagnant the other night against Standard Liege aswell – Cesc gave him lots of service but he wasn’t on the same wave length.

    Henry – home – I like that idea a lot 😀

  31. JonJon says:

    heres an idea…sell walcott for the 10mil hes now worth instead of the 30 he was worth 12 months ago and give it to henry to play two years..

  32. JonJon says:

    dudu looks like divegate has go to him…he just cant get going..maybe he needs a goal or two but hes not going to get one until he gives 100% or until he plays with nikki…

    belive it or not i actually think niki would have made a difference yesterday..hes the closest thing to robin weve got…with both of them out at the same time we are going to struggle for goals unless we change formation…

  33. Rasputin says:

    It looks like neither Nik or Clichy will be back for the pool game so we will probably have to pick from the same players who were available yesterday – that will be our next big test……

  34. avenell says:

    Hi Roadsters..

    Working today and not on the computer.. 😦

    Rasp.. cheeky.. 😉

  35. Freire says:

    Hello everyone.
    I’m not with this sentiment. I feel angry about the team. I’ll say it again: we’re not gonna win anything until Wenger and all the players stop to make things wrong.

    Ridiculous, this is my sentiment.

  36. Freire says:

    Well, here in Brazil, when the clubs start to make things wrong and make the supporters like idiots, the organized supporters clubs go to the Club’s front door and make protest against the directors, the players or even the manager.

    I think it’s time to start to make things like that in UK. I know you people are very different from us, but I don’t think the supporters would make this once in life. C’mon, I’m going to graduate next week, and I NEVER shouted “CHAMPIONS!!” in my school. Am I obliged to hear things like ” Who’s Arsenal? Is Arsenal on the bottom of the table? Who’s good in Arsenal team?” – bloody hell, I NEED to be champion again … I can’t support Wenger and his failed politik anymore. I feel like an idiot to watch these kinds of matches … we COULDN’T reach their goal, how is it possible?

    I’m pretty angry. I said I have lost my faith in Wenger, and now it’s done. No faith in Wenger, i’m not idiot.

  37. Rasputin says:

    Freire,

    I understand your passion. If you haven’t already, you should read Fever Pitch – it beautifully sums up the suffering and angst and also the incredible highs of being a committed football supporter (Arsenal specifically)

    Being an Arsenal fan is like being bi-polar, and most of us wouldn’t have it any other way, we’re just in the depressed state at the moment 😉

  38. London says:

    Bi-polar….Lol….superbly summed up.

  39. Freire says:

    I’ve read Fever Pitch, London. But it was in Portuguese … I’ve seen me on the description of Nick Hornby, and I don’t want to wait 18 years to be champion again.

    English supporters need to learn somethings with Portuguese and Italian supporters … I’m completely out of my mind, I can’t talk about fooball today with anyone…very very sad, but more angry than sad.

    Please, you people who live in London, or near London (the city) … go to Emirates and rise a flag with the following writting: ” WENGER, ARE YOU CRAZY?”

  40. Rasputin says:

    Freire,

    You underestimate our feelings. You are lucky to be away from it all on a different continent.

    Here, it is on the television, on the radio and we are surrounded by spuds supporters rubbing salt into our seeping wounds. We’d all love to crawl into a hole and hide until we get some decent results under our belts and the pride can return.

  41. Freire says:

    What do you mean by ‘underestimate our feelings’, London? Don’t you think I have the same feelings too?

    the spuds supporters go to hell …

  42. avenell says:

    Friere.. Rasp means we (not so much me now) have to work, drink and mix with Spurs, Chelsea and Man U supporters all day every day..

    It’s a giant piss take.. hopefully you don’t have to mix with them quite so intensely over there..

    Not your comitment.. 🙂

  43. kelsey says:

    why oh why did we let bischoff go.

  44. Freire says:

    Sorry, Rasp, I called you London…really sorry 😛

    Well, I know that, Ave, and I have to do the same things with people here in Brazil that doesn’t support my brazilian team (Corinthians) … it’s natural, i think … the jokes are natural, I can’t let one joke go away when the the other teams lose, so do they.

    The problem is that Arsenal is making everything wrong. And you know what i’m talking about… the stupid Wenger’s politik will take us lower and lower on the table.

    I pray for being wrong, but I don’t see a glorious future with the team we have and the things we’re doing … sorry, i’m not optmist.

  45. peachesgooner says:

    No kelsey – why oh why did we buy Bischoff 🙂

  46. avenell says:

    We didn’t he was free..

  47. avenell says:

    Freire .. I think it all depends on when you stepped on the Arsenal supporting ladder..

    We are a far bigger and better club now than when I started to support Arsenal. So I am grateful to Arsene Wenger.. but if you started to support Arsenal when they were the best team in England, then we are not doing as good as we was.

    It’s like if you are used to living in a one bedroom flat, you are grateful to live in a 5 bedroom detached house. But if you are used to a 7 bedroom detached house then a 5 bedroom one is a bit of a comedown..

  48. avenell says:

    Oh and happy 65th birthday to Georgie Graham.. 🙂

  49. peachesgooner says:

    I didn’t think he was free ave – was he?

  50. avenell says:

    From young guns…

    One of the surprise transfers of the summer is set to go through in the next 24 hours, as Amaury Bischoff completes his switch to Arsenal, after his former employers Werder Bremen released him from his contract.

  51. avenell says:

    Hi by the way.. cold isn’t it? brrrrrh

  52. peachesgooner says:

    Hi by the way – its ffffffffrrrrreeeeeeeeezing 😦

  53. avenell says:

    I’ve had the chainsaw chugging.. 🙂

  54. peachesgooner says:

    That must’ve kept you warm 😛

    I’m assuming rico has spent the day scooping puppy poop

  55. avenell says:

    When you watch the property programs on discovery, everyone goes “wow a wood fire, how lovely”..
    They never show the continous carting of wood and coal, the emptying of the ash and the dust it creates..

    And if you are out for a day or so you come home to a house that feels like a fridge.. 😦

    Enough moaning.. lol..

  56. avenell says:

    I might see if I can live with Kelsey during the winter.. 🙂

  57. Freire says:

    Well… you’re right, Ave. Unfortunately, I dont have guilt for being born nowadays. I know you all must have passed through black ages supporting Arsenal, but I think that , as a ‘new’ supporter, I need to think from when I started to support it to forward ( i dont know you you understand what i’m talking about, lol)

    I just think English teams fans, especially Arsenal fans are too ‘pacific’. I think English people are still afraid of hooliganism, but protesting things is a questionof hooliganism … It’s natural and beneficent.

    Am I being too radical?

  58. avenell says:

    Freire .. It’s a fine line mate.

    Somewhere in the middle.. you have to be grateful of where we are but we don’t want to go back to that one bedroom flat.

    Look at the overall picture, we are easily in a champions league spot, other clubs can only dream of that (only 5 english clubs have ever been in it) We are the eighteenth biggest spender on transfers the english league and we have the best stadium in the country..

    And we have been unlucky with injuries, we are using our third choice LB and third choice striker aganst what could be the best club team in the world at the moment.. and we lost.. it is disapointing, But you have to be realistic sometimes..

  59. Freire says:

    I can’t think this way, Ave. I respect you point of view too much.

    But I’d love to see my club winning everything, I think you all would.

    Sorry, really sorry.

  60. JonJon says:

    i think aves hit the nail on the head…
    yesterday was vry dissapointing and we were all upset..some more than others..but at the start of the season we were favorites to drop out of the top four and we are still there…until two weeks ago we were the form team of the country..

    mancity have spent 250mil and have drawn 7 games on the trot..liverpool were title favorites and they have only won 2 in 7

    weve had a very bad november..but the trophies arent handed out in november..

  61. avenell says:

    Hi Jonjon..

    Friere we don’t have to agree, but it makes good debate.. no worries..

  62. JonJon says:

    hi mate..thanks for the chat earlier..really helped me clear my head…

    freire your passion and love for the club is unquestionable…but dont let yesterdays performance blinker you from what weve achieved this season so far…
    the last time we came back from an international break we lost back to back games..and then we went unbeaten i think we won 7 on the trot…
    lets get liverpool out of the way and then we’ll see waht we are made of…
    when nikki comes back i think we’ll score goals again and if not then wenger has january to fill the gaps..

  63. avenell says:

    Anytime JJ..

    nite all..

  64. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Still disappointed at the manner of our defeat, but coming back to a rational state.

    It is hard to put this game into perspective. Prior to the game I was pessimistic, primarily because it was in November and we do have some kind of Nov hoodoo. but why was I so saddened by it?

    I guess because I could find no positives to support my belief that this team can win the EPL. Even TV looked out of his depth.

    The loss at Sunderland should have been more painful. The same 3 points, but 3 points that we really should have taken. Had we won up there, we could still retain dreams of challenging the Chavs in May.

    As it is , we are behind the Spuds, and that hurts.

    p.s. Does anyone believe we will get a result at Man Citeh? Can I bear to watch Ade score ?

  65. London says:

    Morning BR

    If I put it in terms of cars then I see the first team as an SUV: capable of going forward, backwards, deal with obstacles when needed and of course able to go fast but the CC team doesn’t have such varied capabilities it’s like a Ferrari in as much that it can only do one thing well and that is go forward fast; in most cases this slick machine is too much for most opposition but when they present a gradient as I suspect will happen tonight we will struggle.

  66. chaf says:

    Morning all.

    Tried to write something on sunday night but had a drink instead. I agree that Wenger’s reaction to this defeat will help form my opinion to where he’s going.

    He must realise what everyone else does. If he doesn’t, maybe he has lost it. There is a fine line between brilliance and madness.

    I’m also fed up with everyone saying they respect us for our football. They only say things like that when you are not a real threat.

    I still love it all though…

  67. Big Raddy says:

    London.

    We need to be more of a Porsche Cayenne team !

  68. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    Its really odd the disproportionate reaction we’ve all had to the game. I felt worse the next day than after we lost the CL final. I think it was just such a graphic illustration of the gulf between us and the chavs – it is time for a reality check.

    Unless the chavs and mancs have several injuries to key players, we won’t win the prem and if we come up against them in the CL, we will go out. We have more chance of beating barca than chelsea because chelsea’s brand of football has all the strengths that negate our style of football.

  69. Irishgunner says:

    I just came to say that Sepp Blatter is a big, fat biased pig who condones cheating and evidently gets paid off.

    That is all.

  70. peachesgooner says:

    Morning Irish

    Thats a bit of a statement – can I ask why?

  71. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry, morning everyone else……

    London – our game is tomorrow night…..

  72. Irishgunner says:

    He and his little cronies laughing at Ireland the jumped up prick.

    Apparently the FAI asked for another spot in the World Cup (has been done before) yeah it was OTT to ask for it but he came out in public and had a laugh at it. Surely it should have been a private matter between the FAI and FIFA??

    Corrupt prick has been trying to ruin football for years and is doing a fine job. He actually rang up Henry to express his condolences on the bad press he was getting. Fair play my arse.

    Pricks and fucking mafia the lot of them.

  73. peachesgooner says:

    Ah well I can see why you’re upset – its not been a good couple of weeks for you has it…..

  74. London says:

    Thanks Peaches

    I had to go out tonight and was getting all upset about the idea of not being able to watch it live.

    BR

    “A Porsche Cayenne team” exactly, you understand completely.

  75. Irishgunner says:

    Most of it leaves me wondering what is the point of even bothering watching it anymore.

    The cheats and money men have won, to be honest if it keeps going this way they can keep the game, its not a sport, its a game and whoever is the biggest nation or can pay the most money wins. Not what I want thanks.

    I really am growing tired of all the corruption and money. Football is losing it lure more and more every week and no its not because Arsenal are doing bad, I’m loyal to the end its just the whole bloody thing is politics now.

    I’d rather watch an honest game with an attendance of 10 than a dishonest one with a crowd of 80,000.

  76. kelsey says:

    Morning all,

    I am not the stats man on here,but it is interesting to note that our present squad compared to the 2004 invincible is 4 inches shorter and 7lb. lighter on average.Is this part of the reason that we often get out muscled.Strange that Wengerball as it is commonly called is never going to be as effective with a lightweight squad,and why did the manager go against a proven record by replacing players one by one with a team that we have now, of which several players are really clones of others and therefore our style of play can never change dramatically

    Raddy i don’t think we have a chance against city and even if we do we will most probably meet the Chavs or United in the next round.Better for us to get out of this competition now and have less games to worry about as our walking wounded slowly return.

    Wenger knows we are out of the title hunt, and I thought his post match comments were embarrasing.

    Irish I fully understand your frustration.

  77. Rasputin says:

    Morning kelsey,

    It’s true, we do have a lot of very similar players and in addition, most of them are at their most effective when playing in the centre. In reality, we don’t have any out and out wingers (I think JonJon touched on this yesterday) AA, Nasri, Vela, Tomas and possibly Theo are all more effective when played centrally. What we need is a Marky Overmars or two and then a big bastard in the box to get on the end of his crosses 😉

  78. avenell says:

    Morning All..

    I disagree about Overmars he was not a winger and he played alongside Anelka..

    Both players were very quick counter attacking players and very direct.

    We used to sit further back in our own half more and suck the opposition onto us then break with a ball over the top.

    Now we do the opposite and press forwards and the opposition do to us what we used to do to them.

    That is why I believe Walcott doesn’t fit into our style of play.

    We also start games as if we are already losing and leave ourselves open, then when we play quality opposition they break and score the first goal then they can afford to sit and counter attack us at will..

  79. avenell says:

    I have said it before but I think Brian Marwood was our last true winger putting crosses in for Smithy.

    Since Wrighty came we have played a totally different style.

  80. Rasputin says:

    Hi ave,

    I’ll give you that Overmars would frequently cut into the middle and had a knack of delivering a low shot into the bottom corner, but he would scamper down the wing and skin the fullback – something Theo attempts but often fails at …. he was more of a winger than any player currently in the squad. here aren’t that many about – Ribery is the obvious example….

  81. Rasputin says:

    Good point by the way about not attacking at pace any more, its what I was saying before the chav game. All this clever passing in midfield does nowadays is allow the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball and it appears we have lost the ability to unlock defences once that happens.

  82. avenell says:

    Hi Rasp..

    I agree but there is no space for anyone to run into.
    We play 30 yards further forward than we used to that means no space to run and it leaves the defence exposed.

    I am not sure about a defensive coach either, I can imagine Keown going we need the full backs to defend and Wenger saying you cannot they are our width in this system.

    Chelsea played with two defensive midfielders in the form Mikel and Essien who just sat in front of there back 4 on Sunday.. exactly how we played when we won the double in 98′.
    Just sucking us in..

    I don’t actually think our system is that bad it’s just when we come accross better players than ours.
    I believe (wenger) we would lose whatever system we played.

  83. avenell says:

    I wrote that in reply to your previous comment (typo is a bit slow)

  84. Rasputin says:

    I agree with all that – but isn’t it a but pathetic that we only have one system – and the personnel only to play in one way. It looks like the manager doesn’t have to even consider tactics because he has a choice of one!……

  85. Big Raddy says:

    I disagree about not attacking with pace. We can and do.. But against teams who “park the bus”, it just isn’t possible.

    I have faith in this team, and faith in the flexible formations AW is developing. We constantly change shape, going from 2-6-2-1 to 4-4-2 etc etc throughout the game. That requires player intelligence and a confidence in the backup player when DM’s go forward.

    The call for new blood and a big striker are knee jerk in my opinion. We have the squad, we have the players., but the simultaneous injuries to RvP and NB were very damaging to the consistency of the team.

    That said, even with a full first team we would have lost on Sunday and that is depressing.

  86. avenell says:

    Hi Raddy.. I think we have only just started to attack with pace again, now Arshavin and Rosicky are back..
    But I think that only happens when the opposition are losing and have to bring the game on to us.

  87. avenell says:

    I don’t think I congratulated you on your wedding, I hope everything went well and all the best for the future .. 🙂

  88. Big Raddy says:

    Thanks Avenell for the good wishes.

    Didn’t we always attack with speed on the rebound…. started with Anelka I guess.

  89. avenell says:

    I think it stopped when henry left.. The only goal I can remember after that is when Walcott crossed to Greedy against the Dippers..

  90. kelsey says:

    Gunners (from): Fabianski, Gilbert, Senderos, Silvestre, Coquelin, Eastmond, Ramsey, Merida, Wilshere, Watt, Vela, Szczesny, Randall, Frimpong, Bartley, Sunu, Cruise, Emmanuel-Thomas.

    that’s the squad, i will leave you to work out the team, have a nice day.

  91. avenell says:

    You too Kelsey.. I’m out for an hour or so now..

  92. Rasputin says:

    Hi Raddy,

    You must be watching a different team to me 🙂

    We muller lesser teams for the reasons you list. A reaction is not ‘knee jerk’ if it harkens back to last summer. The spine of the team has been weak since the invincibles. Players like Vieira are hard to find. We have systematically sourced players of a ‘type’ as a matter of policy. The fluidity of intricate systems is an overcomplicated way of sayng that our clever mobile players should adapt during any passage of play to cover defence as well as contribute to attack – but that doesn’t always happen. Often there are gaping holes where our fullbacks should be.

    I’d like to know why our defence and squad in general seems to have such fragile confidence …. surely if there was such ‘belief’ they would be able to rise to a challenge no matter how physical.

  93. Big Raddy says:

    Ras. We added TV to the spine, and Song has blossomed (though not to full flower as yet). We need a quality keeper. Whether Fabianski or the other Pole are good enough remains to be seen. Surely we can find a 35 y-o. GK with experience to cover us for a couple of years. Coco is clearly not the answer.

    So the spine of ?? + TV + Cesc + NB/RvP looks fine to me.

    Perhaps not competition for Cech + Terry + Lamps + Drogba. But what other team in World football can compete with them?

    Whilst lauding Barca last season, the Chavs were undoubtedly moral victors of their semi and I believe they would have gone on to beat MU in the CL final.

    As to the fluidity…. I did say it required intelligence 😉

  94. peachesgooner says:

    I know whats wrong – Arsene only sees legs from the dug-out and video footage when he watches the game again, I’m going to invite him to watch the game from my seat – its a much better view.

    I can tell you that in the 2nd half when we were attacking there were times when Cesc was teeing up a killer pass and there was space for him to drop a ball into but no bugger was there to receive it – or to run on to it. The spaces were there, Cesc was ready but no-one else was – Eduardo I’m talking to you.

    Agree totally about sucking teams in – wasn’t that great when we used to hit teams on the break. Little shit to Bobby – Bobby to Thierry – Thierry back to Bobby and in the back of the net – Lovely …..

    …..and if Bobby’s shot was slightly off then Freddie was thundering in from the other wing 😛

  95. Rasputin says:

    Can’t agree again Raddy. Cesc is a wonderful player who requires freedom to express himself and so would not be part of my ‘spine’. The purpose of the spine is that it supports everything else. The goalkeeper has been a problem for several years and we have had the opportunity to get a 35 year old and passed it by. RVP is a very good number 10 but my spine would have to have a top CF at the apex.

    Someone elsewhere suggested moving TV into a DM role and buying a more meaty CB – he loves going forward and I saw at the weekend was the chosen free kick taker …. maybe not such a bad idea. Unless JD comesback a meaner, more competitive player, we should replace Gallas when he wants to go with a defender who can deal with the Drogbas/Ades

  96. avenell says:

    That’s one of the reasons I didn’t understand Mr Wengers selection on Sunday.. If he had of played Rosicky it would have given Cesc another option to pass to.. That means he has lost RvP and another attacking midfield player to play ball with.

    If he had of played Rosicky on the right he would have also tracked back against Cole and helped Sagna cutting off the Chavs supply chain. AA cannot do that as well, or Walcott. (not that he was on at the time)

    Playing Song and Denilson together is still two players doing one players job..

  97. peachesgooner says:

    Agree entirely ave with what you say about playing Song and Denilson together – it was a waste of one player. Rosicky would have given Cesc another outlet to pass to.

  98. peachesgooner says:

    ……and that Rosicky is more of a team player than AA or Eduardo…….

  99. peachesgooner says:

    Do you think Arsene would like to watch the game with me? When he goes to watch the reserves he sits in the upper tier………

  100. avenell says:

    Yeah he might do.. (since I checked your facebook out) 😉

  101. peachesgooner says:

    Cheeky 😛

    Have you had your turn though?

  102. avenell says:

    haha I haven’t been in there for a couple of weeks..

  103. kelsey says:

    The news from Southern Spain is that we are in for Robert green as Almunia or should I say his wife wants to go back home,especially after the tragic death of her mother last month.

    Now you can read that as you like,as in all probability Almunia and Wenger would be happy to stay as number one keeper,but to buy Green would be because Almunia wants to go home,not that Wenger thinks Green is better,otherwise we could have gone for Green or given last Summer, if that makes sense.

    If true,it could be a blessing in disguise.

  104. kelsey says:

    peaches,

    i have often wandered what you look like, might have a peep myself. 😉

  105. peachesgooner says:

    You’re being cheeky too 😛 😛

  106. peachesgooner says:

    Arsene have a look at this and remind yourself what this boy used to do……..

  107. Freire says:

    http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsene-Wenger-admits-the-Carling-Cup-is-not-one-of-his-priorities-article239337.html

    This is why I don’t have faith in Arsene anymore … every title is a title. I prefer to win than to see spuds winning it

  108. avenell says:

    Friere.. you get £30 million for being in the Champions league and £1 million to win that mickey mouse cup..

    Why risk the best players we have left un-injured to win that?
    that’s one of the reasons why the Spuds don’t qualify for a proper tournament.

    On top of that we attract players like Wilshire , Merida and Ramsey because they know that Arsene will give them a run out.

  109. Freire says:

    Why ‘risk’?
    Most of the teams that are in CC don’t lose their players as we do and they put their best 11 on the pitch … so why risk? is that fear? Well, I reckon that who thinks this way knows that we don’t have a bench so good as our first 11 … then i presume this is an manager mistake.

    Let’s see what happen again… let’s keep on making the same mistakes over and over again.

  110. avenell says:

    What mistakes..

    Don’t you want the best youth acadamy in England?

    Would you be happy if cesc played and busted his ankle up in a competition that isn’t worth any more credit than the groundsman of the year..

    The FA cup when we last won that wasn’t even worth getting the open top bus out for..

    The future is the Champions League, football has moved on.

    Man U won’t play there best 11 tonight, Spurs can because they don’t have any european fixtures this season..

    tomorrow Man City can play there best 11 because they are not in Europe either.

    Football is about money and exposure and the only way to do that is to have a good run in the Champions League..

    Arshavin didn’t sign for Arsenal because he wants to play in a Mickey Mouse cup, he joined to play in Europe.

  111. London says:

    Playing Song and Denilson together is still two players doing one players job..

    At first sight this does seem to be the case, but it is worth remembering that the reason for this was to free Cesc from any defensive responsibility and it worked…for the first half an hour we played them off the park. The goals were neither Song nor Denilson’s fault. Playing them together enabled Song to close down much higher up the field safe in the knowledge that Denilson would cover him or visa versa. Wenger tried this combination out against Standard Liege and it worked well, it would have been better to practice against Barcelona but you can only play the team that is front of you. That said, I am only defending this combination against Chelsea, normally, I would go for Rosicky every time but it is worth remembering just how ineffectual he was against Sunderland.

    To me the finger of blame points to the lack of penetration in attack.

  112. London says:

    Mind you, I do agree with your 5:16

  113. avenell says:

    That is exactly it London . who gives the attack more penetration Denilson or Rosicky?

    Playing Cesc too far forward just left us open at the back.. he would be better playing the Alonso type role next to Song against the better teams.

  114. Freire says:

    I don’t want the best young academy, really. I don’t care about it, and I’m not convinced that we really have the best young academy.

    I want sincerity: what’s the difference in have a highly-rated player like Cesc injured on a CC game and in a UCL game? If we don’t win one of them, what’s the bloody difference?

    They are f*ing payed to do their jobs, that’s simple as that. I don’t think we were so desesperated as we are now if we had won some of the earlier CC titles.

    Unfortunately, the football has been caught by money too. There’s no glory anymore, glory has become the bloody money.

  115. avenell says:

    But there is no glory in winning the Carling cup.. that’s the point.

    The youth policy is the envy of the world, every other club are trying to copy it.

    If Cesc got injured in the Carling Cup and it makes the difference that perhaps we don’t get fourth spot..

    (a) we don’t attract big sponsers..
    (b) we don’t attract the big players.
    (c) we finish further down the League and attendaces drop.
    (d) we cannot afford the repayments on the new ground.

    Then we could end up like Newcastle or Leeds.. A thousand times worse off than we are now.

  116. London says:

    Ave

    Playing Cesc too far forward just left us open at the back.. he would be better playing the Alonso type role next to Song against the better teams.

    The answer to the first part of this is that Fabregas had both Song and Denilson covering him and Chelsea didn’t score through the middle…..the answer to the second part is that that is exactly what happened in the second half: Song went off and Fabregas played the Alonso role along side Denilson.

  117. London says:

    You’ve got the patience of a saint for having the mickey mouse cup debate.

  118. avenell says:

    That’s because our 2 defensive midfielders never covered the full backs.. (Sagna)

    In the second half we was chasing the game, and we only conceded a goal from a free kick not from open play.
    So I would say dropping Cesc back worked.

  119. avenell says:

    Thanks London.. 🙂

    It’s like the old cough cough days..

  120. Freire says:

    Then sorry, again, Ave. I don’t have all the knowledge you all have in this blog.
    I just try to see the reality of our team the other way … thinking like champions, not like Championship teams.

  121. avenell says:

    No sorry needed, I just like to put the other side of the argument over and we don’t have to agree..

    But I will add to what I said earlier in the fact that if Cesc (for instance) is fit all season he could play 38 league games 3 or 4 Fa cup games 10 Champions League games, 3 or 4 games for Spain.. and on top of that he won’t get a rest at the end of the season as it is world cup year.

    Could we afford to play him in a cup that doesn’t matter and would it affect his level of performance??

  122. ganesh says:

    Wats all this guys, calling them the champs of O9-10 so soon .. Relax if we get an exp striker in Jan n if Fabianski keeps the poles im sure we can challenge them again .. We need to conc on all games n wen we get chelsea away we must capitalise altho its tuf.. I’m sad u guys gave up hope so easily .. N in fact am fancying us to beat man city n we shud challenge for second place atleast n have hope like liverpool did last season .. Cos it myt be useful if chelsea slip .. U never know in football anythin can happen .. Last season Chelsea wer leadin Man utd by 8 pts in christmas n finally Man utd won easily .. We shud have tat attitude .. Gunners keep faith plzzz .. Don start moaning so soon!!

  123. avenell says:

    Hi ganesh.. Who’s given up?

  124. ganesh says:

    N ya Wenger shud stop sayin CC arent imp .. He shud go for CC cups n Fa cups .. I don say tat for lack of silverware but every title is imp .. How r Chelsea showin their 2 CC cups n 1 FA title in the last three years after spendin loads n loads of money n sayin they’re winnin titles unlike us .. Its not the title , its the confidence u get aftr winnin tat title tats important .. It’ll keep the hunger in the players .. So maybe i hope he adds exp as we progress but i dout tat ..Hoping for a win in Man city wit our young guns .. No dout theyre gud to wach .. GUNNER till i die !

  125. ganesh says:

    Nope i saw some negative comments .. Meant for those .. I kno faithfull gunners will neva :)!!!

  126. Freire says:

    I keep my stupid faith. Not the players, as it seems.

    And Ave, I still think he needs to play all of these games you said … he earns millions and millions $, and I spend all my money buying Arsenal stuff to finish another season without a title again?

    Tired of being an idiot … you passed through black times with Arsenal, and I don’t know how everything was on these days … but all I know is that I’m tired of this pacific politiks … if football is all about money, let’s buy some titles as chelsea did, then . ¬¬

  127. avenell says:

    Friere but a player can not give his all in those games.. his performance will drop. One thing Arsene is supposed to be the best at is when to rest a player.

    60 games a season for a midfield player that runs about 13km’s a games will burn him out, and make him more likely to pick up injuries.

  128. avenell says:

    If you are paid £30 grand a week, doubling your money won’t make you run around more..

    Some Man City player proved that when we did that for him..

  129. JonJon says:

    evening all…

    what a good debate day it has been today..im just sorry i havent been around…

    avenell…

    “but there is no glory in winning the CC..thats the point”…

    there is if you do it with your youth team… 😉

  130. avenell says:

    Hi Jonjon yeah, now that’s a different piss take.. although Sendersaurus and tweety are playing apparently..

  131. JonJon says:

    i love the CC simply because we play our kids…i have a greater connection with some of our babies than what i do with some of those in the first team and i think its great they get a chance to shine

    the reality of it all is that weve still got a stadium to pay for…

    its like ave says we either go all out for the CC and sacrifice our staus as CL regulars and lose millions, taking us longer to pay off our debt, or we carry on as we are doing, taking pride and joy in our kiddies and making qualification easier for europe…in turn paying off our debts…

    of course we need to win trophies but i wouldnt sacrifice the CL for the sake of the CC…

    dont forgot it was only a few years ago our babies got us to the final of that comp…

    our youth team is the envy of the league…how many other teams can boast that their kids have made it to a final in a comp where 80% of teams field their full strength team?????

    remember the joy they brought us when they smashed sheffield utd and wigan last year…those results wouldnt have been so special if the kids hadent played..

    when we play at home in the CC we nearly fill the stadium..55000 go to watch the CC and its all because of the novelty of watching our kids..again how many other teams can baost that kind of support???

  132. JonJon says:

    just so you know ave my first comment wasnt knocking you…it was agreeing with you… 😉

    just putting it a different way…

  133. JonJon says:

    i think playing tweety is a good move..it adds experience to a young side and gives them a greater chance of getting further…

    i think wenger would love to win the comp…but he plays it down so not to put added pressure on young shoulders…just let them play with no boundries…let them play with no fear and no pressure..

    then we see a bunch of 18 year olds tear PL teams like wigan new backsides…

  134. avenell says:

    Man United(half first team) 2… Tottenham (best team available including that £18 million piece of shit Bentley) 0.. haha

    That’s a piss take..

  135. JonJon says:

    exactley…

  136. avenell says:

    Spud supporters were on talk sport this morning moaning about Barca’s Theirry’s handball.
    No mention of the Dawson handball against Villa saturday.. they should replay that.. two faced ba**ards.

  137. avenell says:

    and how many times did Robbie Keane handle the ball against France, then protest he didn’t… isn’t that cheating too? He was trying to get away with it, but he got caught.

  138. JonJon says:

    yeah i heard the commentator laugh when he mentioned dawsons equalisor…

    why is that funny and at the same time henry needed shooting… ??

  139. avenell says:

    All they talk about is Dudu’s dive that was proven he got touched and Thierry’s handball..

    I have nothing against Irishgooner here as she is lovely, if I was Irish I would have the hump too.. but France are just as close to England as Ireland are.. both are just EU countries to us and with there own leagues and national teams.
    I don’t see why this countries media are so anti France and pro Irish.. at the end of the day France is nearer.. 🙂

  140. JonJon says:

    the answer is simple…its cos its henry and hes a global superstar….france were at one time the best team in europe and the world and platini is french…

    if kevin doyle would have won ireland the game by doing the same thing nobody would have given a toss cos ireland were the underdogs and doyles a nobody….

    harsh but tru..

  141. avenell says:

    They was happy to take this penalty though, as Roy Keane said.

  142. avenell says:

    I have never seen that replayed on SSN never..

  143. Freire says:

    what goes around, comes around

  144. avenell says:

    Cripes even Friere agree’s with me for once.. 🙂

  145. JonJon says:

    its like keane said at the time..ireland had enough chances to win the tie…but keane shat his pants time and time again…

    ok what henry did was cheating but france should have been 4-0 down at the final whistle…henrys handball wasnt the reason ireland went out..

  146. Freire says:

    LOL, yeah Ave.. is that rare?

  147. avenell says:

    But they should never have even reached the play offs..

    Freire the spuds first team that cost 3 times what our team did have just been knocked out of the Mickey Mouse cup.. 🙂

  148. JonJon says:

    yeah that pen was a turning point for ireland too…

    if it werent for that penalty they wouldnt have even been in that play off game..

    i didnt notice keane turn round and say no i dont want the penalty its not fair….

    so why did they expect henry to say no ref it wasnt a goal i handballed it….

    fair plays only fair play when it suits in most cases…

  149. Freire says:

    Yeeah, I saw that, Ave … it’s beautiful. I’m not gonna make jokes about him until we knock City out tomorrow, LOL … what a shame, spuds!

  150. JonJon says:

    lol ave… 😉

  151. Freire says:

    about them, the spuds, i mean

  152. avenell says:

    Friere if we get knocked out we say “we only play the kids”.. see win.. win.. win situation.. 😉

  153. Freire says:

    LOL, great, Ave…very smart! LOL

  154. JonJon says:

    and if we beat them we piss our pants that our babies have beat 250mil worth of talent…

  155. Freire says:

    no no no … 250mil of £, not that whole money is talent. 😛

  156. JonJon says:

    citeh cant win at the minute…there wont be a better time for our kids to beat them..

  157. JonJon says:

    lol yeah friere…

    kolo and adebayor are shit…thats 40 right there..

  158. Freire says:

    Kolo is shit? ?o.o?

  159. avenell says:

    Even the Man Citeh fans are starting to turn on both of them.. lol.. I have heard the moaning..

  160. Freire says:

    LOL. Kolo is very good … but I still prefer Vermaelen 😀

  161. JonJon says:

    kolos a headless chicken friere…his best years are long behind him…

  162. JonJon says:

    mancity have forked out 60 million on their defence and GK and theyve conceeded one less goal than us…

    theyve spent 250 on world class PL proven players at 25 30 mil a player and they are in 7th and havent won in 7 games…

  163. Freire says:

    You’re right,Jon. He could have stayed with us, but he prefered those sheike and their money… idiot.

  164. avenell says:

    There is talk of Yaya becoming available in Jan.. would you?

    If I was Yaya I would respect my brother and not play with Gallas.. but his height would be good..

  165. Freire says:

    Why not playing with gallas?

  166. JonJon says:

    i think yaya would be good for us but what do we do with song???

  167. Freire says:

    Yaya would be great, but he’s not necessary right now. If he comes, he would be in the XI and Song would sit on the bench.. IMO.

  168. JonJon says:

    i dont think that would be fair on song…

    we could play them both together and have a midfield to match essien and mikel but i dont think our style of play suits playing both..

  169. avenell says:

    Friere If my brother left a club because he never saw eye to eye with Gallas it would be wrong to join that team imo.. unless he thinks his brother is at fault..

  170. Freire says:

    Guys … are you watching the brazilian league? Do you know what is happening over here?

  171. Freire says:

    Well, I don’t think this would be a problem… isn’t it all about business, Ave?

  172. JonJon says:

    we dont get brazilian football over here freire…whats happening??

    i would feel the same ave..i dont think yayas a realist possibility in jan…

    could most likely be inler and chamkakaka

  173. Freire says:

    Well, we’re on the last match of the year… and look the top of the table:

    Flamengo – 65pts
    Internacional – 62
    Palmeiras – 62
    Ṣo Paulo Р62

    Detail: São Paulo was on the top last match, and they dropped to 4th. It’s the first time we have four clubs with possibilities of being champions … it’s nice. The last round will be played next Sunday, but I’ll be taking a test to enter in the university :S Not a fair world…

  174. JonJon says:

    we wouldnt be able to offer yaya as much as citeh freire..its fair to say he would pick them over us for both emotional and ‘business’ reasons…unless he only cares about football, then we stand a chance, but thats a rare attribute in todays footballer..

  175. Freire says:

    Yeah, unfortunately, JJ … it’s rare.

  176. avenell says:

    Look after yourself first Friere.. No football team cares about you.. Do your best in your test.

  177. JonJon says:

    that looks an exciting last day…

    the closest we get to that kind of ‘horse race’ in our league is at the bottom of the table where on the last day there is about 4-5 teams facing relegation…

    it rarley happens at the top…

  178. Freire says:

    Yeah, sure, Ave. I don’t support any of them … but I’ll try to finish the test as quick as I can … LOL. Maybe i’ll be answering some question about … history, or maths, and will explode something near the school, LOL … I don’t know how it is in England, but the things run this way over here, hehe

  179. JonJon says:

    gotta agree with ave, freire…footballs a release..its not the be all and end all of life…

    education comes first..concentrate on your test…

    you can always watch the highlights..

  180. Freire says:

    Surely i’ll do my best … I’ve been waiting for this test for fucking 3 years … Wish me luck on Sunday, guys… I’ll need a lot of it. It’ll be on Saturday and Sunday, and I’ll miss the Arsenal match … not a fair world again.

  181. Freire says:

    Well, I gotta go now, guys. See you all tomorrow for the match … luck for us!

    Arsenal 4ever.
    Have a good night.

  182. avenell says:

    Good luck friere..

    Who are we playing at the weekend?

    i’m a good supporter lol..

  183. avenell says:

    Cheers Friere goodnight..

  184. JonJon says:

    its hard to get a second chance in most things in life freire..so do what you need to do and give it your all….arsenal can wait…they wont go anywhere..lol

  185. JonJon says:

    seeya freire..

    ave, i dont know who we are playing either..i thought it was liverpool.. 😉

  186. JonJon says:

    im gonna get off myself ave, ive had a long day 😦

    chat later mate..night

  187. avenell says:

    okay boss nite..

  188. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    Apparently Arsene has conceded that we may need to buy a striker in January.

    I find it hard to believe, but maybe it’ll be a kick up the backside for Dudu, Vela and Theo – I hope to see Dudu and Vela playing tonight, they need the practice! I’m only sorry that Theo won’t get a run out too – why protect a player who is looking so out of sorts – surely he needs games?

  189. rico says:

    Morning Rasp

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