Two Little Boys Had Two Little Toys………

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A few things have occurred to me in these last few days when talk 0nce again turned to Lady Nina’s shares and what was to happen to them………

I have always been of the opinion that David Dein was merely waiting in the wings for his opportunity to return to the club that he loves and supports and that he ran for the best part of 24 years. He may have been the vice-chairman under Danny Fiszman, but he was the public face and mouth-piece of the club. He was the mover and the shaker. Not only was he a power at Arsenal, but also with the FA – a fact that drove our competitors to distraction and prompted allegations that we got special favours.

He brought Arsene Wenger to Arsenal.

By all accounts he would have preferred us not to build the Emirates Stadium but to share Wembley ……… could that really be true? Could any die hard Gooner not relish the idea of owning one of the best stadiums in Europe? This was when I first began to be suspicious of the propaganda machine surrounding the board.

When David Dein introduced Kroenke to the board there was outrage. The supporters weren’t happy and it seemed the board weren’t happy either. Arsenal – the traditionalists – were going to dig their heels in and were not going to go down the route of foreign investment like other clubs. We were led to believe, and many assume it to be so, that there was a falling out between Fiszman and Dein and that the other board members took sides leading to the dismissal of Dein from the board. But what if Fiszman and Dein were in cahoots to bring foreign investment to the club but needed a fall guy to make their plan work? Step up David Dein.

After his dismissal, David Dein promptly sold his shares to the rather disgusting Alisher Usmanov – a russian gazilliionaire and the board strangely took the much maligned american Stan Kroenke to their bosom in order to fend off Usmanov.

So what if the plan had always been to have two millionaires fighting it out for control – the only winner would be Arsenal eventually. Both Kroenke and Usmanov have been introduced to the club by DD. Danny Fiszman and DD have been friends for many years and we all know of the special relationship between Arsene and DD. It seems unlikely to me that currently DD has no involvement in the lives of either of those two men.

Danny Fiszman allowed David Dein to be the voice of Arsenal because he didn’t particularly like the publicity and there were mutterings that he wanted to give up some of his stake at the club but he wouldn’t want to be the one to let in the foreign investment as that would get him a bad name.

What if Danny Fizman agreed to be pushed into the limelight for a short time in the knowledge that David Dein would soon be returned as Chairman?

What if they all know that either Kroenke or Usmanov will install David Dein as chairman after a boardroom battle?

Arsenal will have its foreign investement – our two little boys will have been replaced by two much richer little boys but with David Dein back in charge I’m certain the club would go from strength to strength.

Have fun mulling over this one…………its just my opinion………..

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333 Responses to Two Little Boys Had Two Little Toys………

  1. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    Some pre-football fun to get us in the mood…. πŸ™‚

  2. London says:

    Clever post, some how you have managed to stay neutral, I didn’t expect that.

    I don’t have a side on this matter but I agree with what I think is one of your unwritten points; that being, that there are an awful lot of misconceptions about David Dein, notably, as you point out, that he was unhappy about the move to the Emirates; this has got the hall marks of the club’s grubby PR machine all over it. The answer to this is revealed, in my opinion, by following the common sense.

    The club decided to consider moving, Dein and Fizman would have been involved in that decision and there is no reason to suspect either was against a potential move. A property company were employed to come up with possible sites, two feasible candidates arose: Kings Cross and Wembley, it is not inconceivable that Dein favoured Wembley for quite some time but I see no reason why he wouldn’t have changed his mind when he realised, as every Arsenal supporter on this planet did, that we would be better off where we are now. What were the advantages for Dein to want to be at Wembley rather than the Emirates? There were none, therefore common sense dictates that the story that Dein was unhappy about the move is a fabrication put out by the club for their own advantage. In one word “Tosh”

    The fall guy theory, if I have understood you correctly, seems a bit weak. Kroenke was introduced by Dein as you say. The definition of introduction in this case was that Dein organised the sale of 5% of Fizman’s shares to Kroenke. So Fizman knew about it and the board had to agree to it so they knew about it.

    Rightly or wrongly, it was at this point that the board members got it into their heads that Dein was going to use Kroenke to launch a hostile take over. If Dein and Fizman were in cahoots, I don’t see in whose eyes it would have been necessary for Dein to be the fall guy β€” they were the club β€” no one had more power than them and if they had both wanted to sell the club to Kroenke they probably could have. So I believe that yet again common sense dictates that they fell out and Dein was sacked.

    I am in danger of turning this into an Agatha Christie novel; I will wait and read other responses before I continue.

  3. peachesgooner says:

    Thanks London.

    Maybe my arguement wasn’t put strongly enough consider this

    Both Fiszman and Dein know that the way forward is to introduce foreign investment but they know that the traditionalists both at the club and within the supporters would fight them tooth and nail – they had to find a way of making it look like it wasn’t their idea so to have a falling out amongst themselves – ie turning Dein into the baddy – was a solution.

  4. peachesgooner says:

    I agree with you that its a plot within several sub-plots that would have troubled even the late great Inspector Morse – hope theres no murder involved πŸ˜‰

  5. kelsey says:

    Morning all,

    Good post peaches,and as you say at the end it is only an opinion,but the whole future of our club is at stake, if we wish to remain amongst the elite.

    A couple of points about D.D.Yes he made a huge return of 75 million for an outlay of 292000,16 years earlier,but Though the move to play at Wembley for our CL games was in my opinion a wrong one,D.D. wanted to relocate the new stadium to Kings X at a far less considerable cost.
    Love him or hate him,he is an Arsenal supporter through and through and I believe he wants the best for the club, and had the foresight to see the finance being poured into other clubs would be detrimental to us in the long term.

    Since the move to the Emirates in July 2006,Arsenal have spent 70million on new players yet have recouped 80 million on players sold.

    What does that tell you ? Are we being prudent or are there just not enough funds or are we relying on paying average players too much.?

    With the various Board changes Lady Nina still has a 15.8 % share holding and the rest of the Carr family approx 5 %, therefore a significant amount.

    What i find interesting and as far as I can remember within a football club, is that we have two billionaires plus a multi millionaire (Fizzman) all with huge interests in the club,which hopefully means that apart for securing finance for the club,together with possible self gain,Arsenal are still a club which is deemed interesting to invest in.
    I can only re iterate what the headline post says it’s only an opinion.

  6. London says:

    I ask myself, if that were their goal, why wouldn’t they have taken, what I see to be a much easier root?

    Together they were the powerhouse of the club as well as the largest share holders I see no real reason why they wouldn’t have been able to persuade the board that the club needed to bring on board someone with greater wealth.

    The thing to remember here is that Dein had done this before; he was the one who introduced Fizman who was our Abromovich of the day; this could not have happened without the agreement of the board.

    We can rule out the supporters being an obstacle: we are easily persuaded by promises of new signings; even Usmanov is starting to make inroads with his promises.

    So, I find that theory a bit too incredible but hay ho.

  7. rico says:

    Morning All,

    Blimey peaches, you have been watching too many episodes of Spooks πŸ˜‰

    What I don’t understand is, the reports at the time of DD ‘stepping down’ were due to irreconcilable differences, heavily suspected to be over the Stan Kroenke investment, then why on earth did he sell his shares to Usmanov – why didn’t he sell them to Stan?

  8. rico says:

    Oh, and I love the Rolf heading πŸ˜‰

    Everton are after Senderos !!

  9. London says:

    I think what is becoming apparent here is that the story put out by the club about Dein being unhappy about moving to the Emirates has not been believed.

  10. rico says:

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger will grant Theo Walcott a well-deserved rest during the Emirates Cup.

    The 20-year-old forward will not feature in Saturday’s opening contest against Atletico Madrid after a busy summer of international action.

    The Gunners ace turned out for the England senior side in 2010 World Cup qualifiers at the end of the 2008/09 campaign, before joining up with the U21 set-up for the European Championships.

    Wenger was opposed to Walcott’s involvement with Stuart Pearce’s Young Lions, feeling the talented youngster could face burn out after a gruelling domestic season.

    He admits he is still bemused as to why Walcott was called upon, but feels a prolonged break from duty will help to recharge his batteries.

    “I was not in fairness a supporter of his experience with the U21s for one simple reason: the youth teams are there to promote the players into the first team and once they are there, especially at national level, I don’t see why they go back again to the under-21s,” said Wenger.

    “The target is not to promote the players from the first team to the second team, they are supposed to be promoted from the second team to the first team.”

    Improved
    Wenger continues to be linked with a number of fresh faces as the new season draws ever closer, but the Frenchman insists he already has the players at his disposal to challenge for major honours this term.

    “This team has improved a lot as compared to last season. They played 21 games unbeaten from November until the end of the season,” said Wenger.

    “We reached the semi-final of the Champions League, FA Cup. We have a squad which is very ambitious.

    “We have the basic quality, they have international quality and are under 23, so their best time is now.

    “We have developed a style and culture of play that everybody accepts, so I feel confident and very strong.

    “Our focus should not be who can help us from outside, but who can help us from the inside’

  11. peachesgooner says:

    Thats the fun part about conspracy theories any number of other options become a possibility once you start thinking about it and discussing it…..

    I can’t find any info about when Fiszman bought into Arsenal…..anyone know?

  12. rico says:

    Hi London

    How could anyone not love our new stadium – DD would have been in his element strutting around there πŸ˜‰

    Perhaps he knew what we are all now seeing – New Stadium = cash restriction for new players, and that is why he supported a takeover…

    Just a thought

  13. peachesgooner says:

    rico – If they didn’t want to appear to agree with the idea of foreign investment they would have to introduce a couple of investors by default and let them fight it out between them – which is what is going to happen.

    Selling his shares to Kroenke would have been too easy and there would ahve been a backlash about selling out to an American.

    And you’re right – I love Spooks but this has more of a Hustle about it don’t you think. Love Hustle πŸ˜€

  14. rico says:

    1945 Born in South Africa to Belgian emigre parents. Danny Fiszman is a diamond trader and a fully qualified commercial jet pilot
    β€’1991 Buys his first tranche of shares, 10,000, from David Dein to acquire an eight per cent stake in Arsenal and a seat on the board
    β€’1996 Buys 3,000 more shares from Dein
    β€’1999 Buys a further 3,000 shares from Dein for Β£7 million to increase his stake in Arsenal to 33 per cent
    β€’2000 Fiszman is the guiding force as Arsenal submit planning application to build what became Emirates Stadium
    β€’2000 Fiszman’s Arsenal stake is diluted to 25 per cent as Granada buy 9.99 per cent holding
    β€’2007 Sells one per cent of his shares to an anonymous

  15. kelsey says:

    Having read your last two posts London, I can’t make up my mind if you agree with me partially or not at all.

  16. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    Great John Le Carre style post peaches. How many months did you spend hiding behind David Dein’s dustbins to amass the evidence πŸ˜‰

    My knowledge of the boardroom stuff is scant a best. All I have learned from big business in general is that where individuals wield power, ego and self promotion are generally involved. Nothing would surprise me. I don’t expect we’ll ever know the truth.

    I’ve just listened to an interview on radio 4 with a veteran of the Christmas Island nuclear tests in the 50’s. Those men were deliberately and knowingly used as guinea pigs by the government. They stood in shorts with their backs to the blast and ordered to turn round to face the effects. 75% of them have suffered cancers and died early and the problem has been passed down to their great grandchildren. My point is that people in power, don’t care about the little people – the fans in our case. We are pawns in a big game of chess and at the bottom of the pecking order.

  17. rico says:

    Now that would have been interesting, and someone said that Usmanov is much richer – had the ‘fight out’ taken place no doubt he would have won the battle? But I don’t know why, but I dont care too much for him – maybe its just because of what happened at Chelsea..

    Not of course the right reason to dislike someone 😦

  18. rico says:

    I haven’t seen Hustle peaches 😦

  19. rico says:

    I think Arsene has got the players in his office one by one and said,

    ‘Do you want to stay or go? ‘

    All those who said ‘No’ – are now being sold..

    Ade
    Toure ( he used to be Kolo πŸ˜‰ )
    Senderos – Everton/Villa/Sunderland
    Eboue – Fiorentina

    Citeh are going to get Lescott 😦

  20. London says:

    Morning Rico

    My guess is that Dein decided to cash in by selling his shares to Usmanov and by doing so lost most of the support people had for him.

    Dein has this reputation of being the great negotiator of player’s contracts; I completely blame him for the Ashley Cole fiasco. When a player acts that childish it says to me that he has not been managed properly, communication had broken down and I put that down to Dein’s arrogance and lack of man management skills.

    Dein is now starting to gather a misty sympathy, a similar sympathy in which Flamini basks in, neither sits well with me.

    Although, there is one scenario in which I would welcome him back and that is if Usmanov were to get control of the club: the adage of the better the devil you know than the devil you don’t springs to mind. In the mean time I see David Dein as sitting on the bench ready to come on if needed.

  21. London says:

    Morning Kelsey

    I don’t really have a side with David Dein just a few thoughts that have occured to me.

  22. peachesgooner says:

    Morning rasp

    Thats such a sad start to a Saturday morning – you’re right about the big men only caring about themselves it happens in all sorts of businesses doesn’t it – mining and manufacturing are still guilty of it now even with all the employee protections in place.

  23. rico says:

    I must admit, I am undecided over his return, and the more I read the comments here it seems he stirred the hornets nest, then went to the enemy… If he could do that once then…..

    For me its another wait until the 31st August, Ivan may just show us all that he is as good as or even better than wrapping up transfers deals. Rumours suggest that ‘things are starting’ to happen, phone calls being made etc. Once the Eboue and now Senderos deals are sorted one way or the other, we may soon see a few new faces.

    I dont mind if Chamakh joins us, there must be something about him otherwise his manager wouldn’t say the things he does

  24. JonJon says:

    no DD…if he loved us that much he wouldnt of sold his shares in a tantrum just to get back into the club…

    if he buys ninas shares he’ll team up with von greenback and the club will change hands…do we really want that???

    hes become sort of a martyr figure becuase we havent won anything…but so what…id rather not win anything than be like chelsea and citeh… and if he was treated that badly by the club then why didnt wenger leave too??? they are bessy mates so whats with that???

    morning everyone…

    and clever post peaches…

  25. peachesgooner says:

    rico – you need to check out Hustle – its sooooo good. Maybe bbci player still have some available if you can be bothered to watch it on a small screen……but Spooks too is so clever….. πŸ™‚

  26. peachesgooner says:

    Morning JonJon – you don’t buy into any part of the theory then….. πŸ˜‰

  27. Rasputin says:

    Morning peaches πŸ˜›

    Morning rico – sorry about the reference to guinea pigs earlier … I completely forgot 😳

  28. peachesgooner says:

    Hes never said anything bad about the club or gone into any details about what happened to cause the rift – when hes interviewed he only has good things to say……I don’t buy into him being a baddy, I think its a set-up…..

  29. Rasputin says:

    Hi JonJon,

    I think that was peaches point – I know she can speak for herself. The only way you can think of any justification for DD selling his shares to Usamove, is if it were part of some ‘sacrificial plan’ for the long term good of the club! Far fetched I’ll admit, bit nothing would surprise me. Dein’s obvious love for the club doesn’t go with selling his shares to someone who wouldn’t look after our est interests.

  30. London says:

    I’m not sure if this is right to post….well make your own minds up

    Footage of Nasri breaking his leg

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3092146/

  31. chaf says:

    Good morning Roadies.

    When i first started on here earlier in the year I was referring to DD and Ave put me straight on a few
    things. So it’ll be interesting what he says but..

    Its difficult when you don’t know the facts, but I had and still have the feeling DD would put Arsenal above everything so I don’t think his involvement is over. And, as JJ said he is best mates with AW, and he didn’t raise an eyebrow

    Perhaps Arsene wanted to replace DD and the board with a younger version who would develop into a promising board and then be sold at a profit.

  32. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon – imagine it was me and not DD that sold the shares to Usmanov. I’m a passionate gooner, I’ve introduced an american millionaire to the club and got him to buy some shares – not mnay shares just a few. The other board members don’t like this and make it look like I’m mounting a hostile take-over – why would I mount a hostile take-over? My two best mates are involved, one is the clubs largest share-holder and the other is the esteemed manager of the club. Why would they push me out?

  33. JonJon says:

    i love conspiracies peaches…i just think that if it was upto the board they wouldnt have an investor in…not yet anyway…they are not ready to sell, hence the reason they are trying to fight of the fat one…but if it wasnt for the fat one they wouldnt of had the need for the yank and if it wasnt for DD we wouldnt of had either….

    he sold us out to get his own way and weve been victim to a power struggle ever since….the board have now new things to worry about for the past few years….it was a problem we could of done without under the circumstances of moving stadium and all…

    cheers DD…

  34. rico says:

    Hi Rasp – no need to worry, I think we all use the term human ‘guinea pigs’ – i didnt for one minute take any offence, bless ya though πŸ™‚

    Morning JJ, thats what I think too, why support Stan’s takeover then sell to Usmanov – just doesn’t make sense, and where is he now in R&W ??

    Morning chaf – long time no see, hope all is well

  35. rico says:

    peaches – because you are a baddy πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

  36. JonJon says:

    hi rasp…

    i dont think DD’s been as bad as the board make out…i can only go with what ive got infront of me and from where im standing it doesnt look good from DD’spoint of view…

  37. peachesgooner says:

    The selling of the shares to Usmanov was the secong stage in the plan not the first.

    Dein and Fiszman didn’t want the back-lash of ‘you’ve sold out to foreign investment’ although they both know it has to happen…..

    Shall I start writing the screen-play …….

  38. London says:

    Morning Chaf

    Long time no speak, are there any of us left, who have not been affected by the credit crisis and are still going this season or is it me on my own?

  39. rico says:

    peaches – did you see the fiszman stuff earlier, when he joined us etc ?

  40. chaf says:

    Morning Rico

    Fine thanks, now there’s football on the horizon. I get locked in a padded cell throughout June and July in case I attack people who look like footballers and ask them why no game?

  41. raif says:

    i like this post, i said somthing kind of the same with a chat with one of my mates a few weeks ago..

    but with my convo i also added. WHAT IF… Some middle easten invester came along and got Lady Nina’s shares.

    wouldnt that be all out war..

  42. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    My opinion of Dein is, I wouldn’t trust the bloke further than I could throw him, he owned 43% of Arsenal in 1990 and flogged it all off, he has caused the boardroom rows by not thinking through who he sold the club to.
    He is living off the stroke of luck that he had a chance meal with Arsene wenger and took a gamble and introduced him as manager.. (Rioch was starting to do a good job anyway).
    If Wenger had of flopped Dein would not be held as a martyr by everyone that he is today.
    people like Abramovich and the likes of dein introducing Billionaires into football is going to kill the game as it is creating an unfair playing field.. (post arriving soon)..

    Good subject for debate Peaches.

  43. peachesgooner says:

    Morning chaf – I chatted to you the other day when you were all alone and found I was all alone too 😦

    JonJon – where do you stand on foreign investment for the club?

    rico – thats my point – I’m not a baddy, I’m just appearing to be one for the good of the club… 😳

  44. chaf says:

    Morning London.

    No change in the seating arrangement you’ll be glad to know. But I’ll be watching from warmer climes nearer christmas, if we can rent out the houses! Which is becoming more difficult by the day… Charlie is in Sri Lanka now for a year as well. Very quiet here…

  45. London says:

    Peaches

    If Fizman was on Dein’s side I don’t see who would have had the authority to sack him?

  46. rico says:

    πŸ˜› chaf, its not a good time when there is no footie πŸ˜‰

    Hi raif – now that would be fun to watch it all unfold πŸ™‚

  47. London says:

    Chaf

    So Keith M, Bob P and Benwell have renewed?

  48. chaf says:

    Morning Peaches,

    Sorry about that, I did think of you yesterday as I drove past the Orange tree in Totteridge. I slowed down and looked if anyone in an Arsenal shirt was eating the Duck Salad

  49. peachesgooner says:

    Hi raif – the worry is that Lady Ninas shares aren’t secured. Gonna have to think up another sub-plot as to why she got miffed – maybe she just didn’t understand the plot…….. πŸ˜€

  50. rico says:

    Morning ave – so I take it you wouldnt want him to return then πŸ˜‰

  51. chaf says:

    London – Yes all present and correct. Benwell is back from Spain and collecting ‘Maybe’ (his dog) this very afternoon….

  52. peachesgooner says:

    London – exactly – who sacked him???????

  53. avenell says:

    I have also seen a thousand sites saying Dein wanted us to move to wembley.. I have never seen one where he has denied it.

  54. rico says:

    I thought he ‘stepped down’ after the differences ?

  55. raif says:

    didnt lady nina not like the idea of brining Gazidez.? as she didnt think he was the right man for the job since he was from the states, and would have no pull or influence on anything or anyone when doing deals and so on. like what DD did…

  56. avenell says:

    Morning Rico… no smarmy b**tard.

  57. peachesgooner says:

    rico – yes thanks I got the Fiszman info you put up earlier.

    chaf – oh you missed me – I was wearing Sols Bird the other day πŸ˜‰

  58. London says:

    Peaches

    The only person with the authority to sack Dein was Fizman so doesn’t that discount the idea that they were in cahoots?

  59. JonJon says:

    hi chaf..good to see you again…

    i dont want investment peaches….

    the stadium was designed to create our own investment….enough per year to buy a star or two….enough be to proud of…

    we dont need all this foreign crap thats gonna kill football…

  60. raif says:

    peachesgooner .. the whole board must have ousted him out or voted him out or somthing..

    the funny thing is the people who pushed DD out were the very people DD brang into the club..

  61. rico says:

    ave – i have contacted the two sites and NN again…

  62. London says:

    Morning Ave

    Stop sitting on that fence, why don’t ya, Lol

  63. JonJon says:

    got busy…

    hey rico/ave/raifyboy..

    anyone else ive forgot???

  64. peachesgooner says:

    ave – if its propergander (raif terminology) who is going to deny it – its out there to add creedence to the plot…..

  65. avenell says:

    No one really sacked Dein.. he just sold out and lost his power..
    Then he got sacked from Red and White.

  66. JonJon says:

    london/rasp/peaches

    πŸ˜‰

    cant get in trouble now..

  67. London says:

    Morining raif

    Dein only brought Fizman in, the rest have been there since the Crimean War lol

  68. raif says:

    i wounder if Nina and DD are cohoots some how?

  69. peachesgooner says:

    But JonJon – the plan also relied on the devoplment of the Highbury Flats earning money for the club….

  70. peachesgooner says:

    Ooooh thats a good word

    devoplment = development

  71. raif says:

    hi london

    and i didnt know that..

  72. London says:

    Ave

    No,no he was sacked from the board and then sold his shares

  73. peachesgooner says:

    ave – you don’t buy into the theory either…..

  74. avenell says:

    There is no plot Dein sold out..

    Read this everyone!!! It is very interesting..
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23413770-details/I%27ll+never+do+business+with+David+Dein+again/article.do

    Cheers Rico.. fingers crossed..

  75. London says:

    Ave

    He certainly didn’t resign. So we have to conclude that he was sacked which is certainly what I read, and believe, happened.

  76. avenell says:

    London.. when Dein owned 43% he could not have been sacked by the board.. he sold out first. That was my point.

  77. raif says:

    i think he was sacked aswell.. also with the link Ave posted..

    Hill Wood says Fizman would sell his stake and neither would lady nina. that was in 2007 he said that,,

    funny how things change in just 2 years huh!!

  78. raif says:

    Wouldnt Sell there stake i mean

  79. peachesgooner says:

    But Hill-Wood has very limited power within the structure of the club – Fiszman and Dein wouldn’t care what he thought once they realised more investement was going to be needed to keep up with others.

    Its not just about being able to buy a player its about being able to compete for their wages.

    Theres talk this morning of Lescott going to Citeh and why can’t we buy him? We can buy him but we can’t pay him what they’re going to pay him.

  80. JonJon says:

    exactly peaches…

    if it all goes to plan.do we need an investor???

    once the flats are gone…and they will go…the only outlay the club will have is the stadium loan…which is 20mil or something a year….

    but even at the minute we are making profits (not turnover) of about 30mil,

    so wheres the need for the investor….it means waiting a few more years like…but still we wont need one…

    DD thought we would fall behind in that time and wanted what the others didnt…he was in the minority vote so he tried to force the issue and in the process completey ruined years of planning and years of work causing a board room battle in the process…

    his short sightness has caused severe problems for the club….

    to me that decision totally wrecked all the good work he did for the club…

    i dont want him back…

  81. peachesgooner says:

    For all intents and purposes he was sacked – thats a given, hes not going to just walk away is he there has to be a bit of drama or there wouldn’t be any story to it……….

  82. JonJon says:

    can you be really sacked when you own a huge slice…

    its like the nina situation….they can be ousted…but they are still part of the club…you cant just get rid of them and terminate all links..

    dein was still part of the club… until he sold out…

    he terminated himself

  83. peachesgooner says:

    Yes we are generating the income to buy players – I agree with you on that – but even Spuds can pay their players more than us……

  84. peachesgooner says:

    He terminated himself so that the next big player could be brought in……weren’t you surprised at how quickly he found Usmanov…….

  85. avenell says:

    We have Β£400 million pound stadium.. the Spuds don’t.

    If we never went into buying the stadium for the long term good of Arsenal we could have spent that money on players too.

  86. rico says:

    If its do we or don’t we want him back – I don’t, I think Ivan will be just fine πŸ˜›

    Off out for a while, catch you all later

  87. raif says:

    DD knew somthing and.. DD even said why have a world class stadium with NO world class players to play init..

    DD new and funny how things have turnd out since he got sacked and since the stadium was made. he new about the dept would cripple us.

    also have you noticed the board always quoting the 350 mil dept still after 3 years. somthing must be wrong there, how could be in the same dept for the past 3 years.

  88. peachesgooner says:

    No we wouldn’t cos the stadium isn’t paid for yet πŸ™‚

  89. JonJon says:

    we would of died at highbury….

    we would of had a squad full of worldclass players on 60-100k per week and only a 38,000 seater to pay for them…which was starting to happen…

    it wasnt enough…in that case we would of needed an investor…but now we dont…

    we have our own investor..the grove…

  90. rico says:

    Dein left April 07
    Sold his shares – August 07

    Did he jump, or was he pushed, I have not a clue πŸ™‚

  91. London says:

    Ave

    Are you sure that Dein owned as much as 43%? That figure sounds a tad high

    Peaches

    Hill-Wood as you say is a minor share holder, but it was his job to sack Dein on behalf and as per the insructions of the rest of the board. No?

  92. raif says:

    would have best to get some more investment in i say like what DD tried to do.. the guy was there for many years so surely he knew best..

  93. peachesgooner says:

    I’m sorry guys, I have to go out…..be back in a couple of hours

    raif – hold my line for me πŸ™‚

    Talk football for a while – I’ll be back….no rude comments please…. love ya πŸ˜€

  94. avenell says:

    Peaches… Chelsea, Man united or the dippers haven’t paid for their players yet either.

  95. choy says:

    morning all…

    david villa in london πŸ˜‰

  96. raif says:

    bye bye Peaches.. πŸ™‚

  97. London says:

    Raif

    That’s probably true but what seems to have gone wrong is that he went about it the wrong way, or certainly in a way that upset everyone else.

  98. Rasputin says:

    Morning choy …. when’s he getting the connecting flight to Liverpool? πŸ˜›

  99. choy says:

    morning rasp… sources say he is signing for us apparently!

  100. JonJon says:

    yeah raif..

    DD was right…but only in the short term…

    it is only natural to not have any money when youve just forked out millions on a new stadium…..

    we all new what would happen really…weve been saying it for years….

    but in the long term we will be ok….in 10 years time when chelsea and citeh are in liquidation and liverpool are still paying off debts and are still at anfeild and when the mancs are still selling 80mil pounds worth of players every year to fund the glaziers…

    we’ll be the only ones standing….providing an investor doesnt come in and kill us….

    if DD had is way then we would be doing the same as the chavs and thats not the gooner way….

  101. London says:

    Choy

    How do you know this? Some people have heart conditions and the excitement of that snippet could push a few of them over the edge.

  102. Rasputin says:

    I’m pretty unhappy to read the reports saying that we’re strongly linked with Chamakh and Matuidi again. Β£12m for Chamakh is a joke. Surely this is a time when we should wait rather than rush to buy those two … thye’re not going to make much difference to the squad… 😦

  103. JonJon says:

    choy.. πŸ™‚

    seeya peaches…

    and may i say excellent post…well done with that one…

  104. Rasputin says:

    Villa will never, never, never sign for us. What would he cost Β£30m conservatively? Manu would go for him if he were available. There is a chance Raffa (Spanish connection) may entice him to pool if they lose Alonso.

  105. peachesgooner says:

    rico – you’ll have to wait ’till the fim comes out to know the truth πŸ˜›

    London – thats the strangest part don’t you think. How can you sack someone from the board who is a major shareholder? He wasn’t sacked…..he had to walk but why? I think its all part of the same plot to bring in foreign investment.

    How can Lady Nina have been sacked when she holds so much power?

    The use of the word ‘sacking’ seems very childish IMO.

    Anyway, have to go, catch up later xx

  106. choy says:

    there is a poster on LG who has said that we are signing de rossi and villa…

    he is getting hammered badly though ..

  107. Rasputin says:

    Maybe some of the mystery will be unraveled when we find out exactly who Lady Nina has sold her shares to….

  108. JonJon says:

    matuidis supposes to be a midfield dynamo rasp….ex french U21 captain….

    i wouldnt mind…

    chamkkakakakakakaka on the other hand is garbage and i dont wont him….

  109. London says:

    Ave

    I realise you must have made a mistake, if Dein owned 43% and sold them to Usmanov, it follows that he would now own 43% which we know is not the case.

    Dein was sacked from the board in April and then sold his shares, about 17% if I remember correctly, to Usmanov in August.

  110. raif says:

    yes London i agree. he did go about it the wrong way. that part was his undoing..

    Also JonJ.. the problem with the 10 year plan. we would have been over taken my miles by the other clubs and now the new investers of other clubs. were falling behind.

    taking a gamble on whats going to happen in 10 years is to risky. i dont want to wait 10 years for us to win somthing. or for us to have a nice balance in the bank. that dont give me braging rights or the thrill of winning cups

  111. peachesgooner says:

    Hes come to watch Reyes playing at the Emirates – doh..

    I’m late, I’m late, I’m late……………..

    rasp – enjoy the cricket if you get to play πŸ™‚

  112. Rasputin says:

    Ok JonJon … I’ll take Matuidi on your recommendation πŸ˜†

    But I’d rather have no-one than spend that kind of money on Chamakh

  113. London says:

    Peaches

    I don’t see the difficulty in sacking a share holder so long as the rest of the board, individually or collectively have more than 51% which was the case and they voted to sack Dein. No?

  114. peachesgooner says:

    London – Dein sold his shares in dribs and drabs over the years have a look at his wiki page…..

    This is like trying to get ave off the phone… 😳

    Bye xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  115. JonJon says:

    i know what your saying raif and i agree…

    i wanna see trophies too…

    but in the three years that weve been at the emirates and ‘struggled’ weve never dropped out of the top four…

    and it wont be a 10 year plan…more 5 year if things go to plan with the flats….

    weve got two years left riaf….at the most…then we start to dominate…

    fifa are going to punish teams like chelsea and citeh…

    we are perfectly run…we just need the team to go with it…thats going to take time…

    bloody hell im beginning to sound like London… πŸ˜‰

  116. raif says:

    Peaches.. GO BEFORE YOU ARE LATER THEN YOU ALREADY ARE..

    Naughty Naughty πŸ˜‰

  117. JonJon says:

    London….

    didnt dein sell some shares to fismann at some point??

  118. JonJon says:

    oh and choy….

    de rossi played for roma in europe this week so thats a dud…wenger wont pay 30mil for a player whos inelligable….

  119. raif says:

    well i hope Fifia and Uefa bring in some kind of level playing rules as these 80 mil tranfers are getting stupid.

    plus its the only way we could become a insted dominating force over night. as i dont see it happening anyother way.

  120. London says:

    Jonjon

    Yes, he did, that is how Fizman became part of Arsenal

    The point is that at the time of Dein’s sacking, Dein only owned about 17% which he then sold to Usmanov. Owning as little as 17% offers no obstacle against him being sacked from the board which is exactly what happened.

  121. raif says:

    instant dominating force

  122. avenell says:

    Dein sold to all 3. Fiszman, Kroenke and Usmanov.

    London you was the one who suggested that Kroenke borrowed some shares to keep Usmanov from being the main shareholder the other day. because he was the most powerful.
    Now you are okay with not having someone on the board who owns 49%.. I think technically you are correct but from a buisness point of view that would be suicide.

  123. JonJon says:

    cheers london

    so in a tantrum he sold his 17 percent to get himself back into the baord through the back door and hes totally cocked the club up…

  124. JonJon says:

    raif…

    give me an honest answer mate….

    would you be happy and proud as a gooner for us to win the PL buy spending 150mil every year and having a 30 man squad all on 100 to 250k per week…????

  125. JonJon says:

    haha i seen that raif….

    i think that dude is relying on me and you to hunt him down…

  126. London says:

    Peaches

    “London – thats the strangest part don’t you think. How can you sack someone from the board who is a major shareholder?”

    Peaches

    I don’t see the difficulty in sacking a share holder so long as the rest of the board, individually or collectively have more than 51% which was the case and they voted to sack Dein.

    I hope this helps, enjoy the game if you are going this afternoon.

  127. London says:

    Jonjon

    Can I just say I have no difficulty with that at all.

  128. raif says:

    hahahahaha we need a hunting trip JonJ.. a trip into the wildernes to find the Hunter-Do-Klass

    also no i dont want to be like the Chavs or the Mancs.
    all im saying is if we had that little bit more investment we could come up with that extra odd mill to get the players we need when needing them.

    but at the same time. i wouldnt care either way long as were winning the cups.

  129. JonJon says:

    London

    difficulty with what mate??

    raif…

    exactly…for a few seasons running now us fans have been calling out for new players here and there…the truth is we cant afford it…we all know this…so what weve been saying is why dont we sell the deadwood in the squad and use the money to rebuild instead of trying to keep the same players every year…

    and what has wenger done this summer….hes made 40mil on players we dont need anymore…players that have nothing more to give….

    the process that we all wanted is happening and there is no reason for wenger not to spend it…

  130. avenell says:

    London.. at the end 42%..

    David Dein (64) became Vice Chairman in 1984 and is no longer a Director but it has without doubt been his drive that has counted for a great deal in our way forward as a major football club in recent years. His ability to wheel and deal has aided us greatly in the transfer market, an area that he has been responsible for since the George Graham bung scandal. Bringing Wenger to the Club will be seen as his crowning achievement, but how many informed fans really believe that it was Rioch, rather than Dein, who gave us Dennis Bergkamp. Given that Bergkamp paved the way for other great signings and set new standards of excellence on the field DB10 was an immense signing. DD was very much isolated in his stand against a new stadium but some believe that this was because he could see the writing on the wall with regards to team spending, which is still after all his area of expertise. New stadiums are a gamble that have seen more than one Club relegated as a result. Derby, Leicester, Sunderland and Southampton all spring to mind, but there are others. Word on the street is that he agreed the Cole pay rise only to have it rejected by others on the Board. Given his over-riding concern for team affairs, not entirely shared by others on the Board it seems no great wonder that he was isolated. Dein could also relate to fans far better than other directors and realised what a pig’s ear was made of the new brand image (the Club badge). It is believed by some that he detests Keith Edelman and hasn’t spoken to him for ages. No doubt we’ll find out what DD’s irreconcilable differences with the rest of the board were at some point, but whatever they were he will be a very difficult man to replace and without doubt his leaving has moved the board a step further away from the fans. It’s difficult to picture Dein staying away from Football power-broking and Arsenal in particular, word on the street is that when he left he told quite a few people that he’d be back. Back in 1991 Dein owned 42% of the Club’s shares but has reduced his shareholding considerably and is believed to have sold Arsenal shares since that time to the value of about Β£10 million.

  131. London says:

    Ave

    But wasn’t your point that they couldn’t sack a major shareholder…….my point being that at the time he was sacked he wasn’t a major shareholder…are we picking up different ends of the stick?

    Jonjon

    I have no problem winning the league under the circumstances that you described.

  132. JonJon says:

    wow…london…thats shocked me…

    i thought you were one of those against sugar daddies and for self sufficient???

  133. avenell says:

    London .. my point was technically wrong, but moraly and from a buisness point of view right..

    If Dein was sacked owning 42% he could have bought another 9% and then took the club over with a hostile takeover.. Therefore the rest of the board would have to go.. So for the boards own sakes keeping someone who owns that amount of share on the board would have been the correct thing to do.

  134. London says:

    Ave

    How have you arrived at the idea that Dein owned 42% at the time of his sacking?

  135. avenell says:

    I didn’t.. I said he started it by selling his shares first. Then in the end he got sacked.

  136. London says:

    Ahhhhh, now I understand, and you do agree that he was sacked from the board by the rest of the board?

  137. avenell says:

    What I am saying is .. he sold shares to Fiszman.. then fell out with him, he sold his shares to Kroenke then fell out with him. then he was chucked out.. so in a last ditch attempt a getting power back he sold his remaining shares to Usmanov.. then Usmanov fell out with him as Usmanov needed to keep in with the rest of the board.

  138. avenell says:

    Is being thrown out of the boardroom a sacking?

  139. avenell says:

    I thought the sacking was he was no longer vice chairman..

  140. London says:

    I think he was sacked from every thing but I feel I understand what you are saying.

    I’m looking forward to the game this afternoon.

    Jonjon

    I have been looking for an opportunity to explain my feelings on sugar daddies but I am a bit blogged out right now. I will get back to you if that is ok

  141. JonJon says:

    i’ll look forward to it london……

  142. avenell says:

    London.. I have a post coming up on that if you can wait..

  143. peachesgooner says:

    I’m back – a couple of things that struck me while I was out…..

    Surely he was sacked as Vice-chairman – that was his job – not as a share-holder……..

    If you sack your Vice-chairman and he is a share-holder that could be a very dangerous thing to do ……

  144. peachesgooner says:

    Just drove past Oakwood station and there were Gooners on their way to the Emirates πŸ™‚

    London – I’m going tmoro πŸ˜‰

  145. peachesgooner says:

    I quite like the idea of a sugar daddy πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚ πŸ˜€

  146. peachesgooner says:

    I suspect you’re all glued to the footie now, gonna take a peek myself πŸ™‚

  147. rico says:

    Afternoon everyone…

  148. rico says:

    All quiet, so I am off again… TTFN

  149. London says:

    Peaches

    Yes, you are right, he was sacked from his job as Vice Chairman and from the board. You can’t get sacked from owning your own shares, you are the owner of them until you chose to sell them, in Dein’s case he sold his remaining c17% to Usmanov.

    Ave

    I will happily wait until your post before I share my pearls of wisdom on sugar daddies with everyone πŸ˜‰

  150. avenell says:

    London.. you won’t agree with mine πŸ˜‰ But then we never agree on anything.. lol.

  151. London says:

    Ave

    We agree on a lot, he said disagreeing lol

    I tried to watch some of the Ranger’s game but…..it was crap, so here I am.

  152. peachesgooner says:

    Who put that pic of the guy in the Huntelaar shirt up – I saw him at the Barnet game…………

  153. peachesgooner says:

    Do we know who’s in the team today – shall I have a look around…….

  154. peachesgooner says:

    No, no team according to arse.com……theres a surprise….

  155. peachesgooner says:

    Just heard the line-up

    Mannone

    Sagna, Gallas, Djourou, Traore

    Eboue, Denilson (again), Ramsey, Rosicky (finally)

    RVP, Bendtner.

    Arshavin, Eduardo, Cesc, Wilshere on bench

  156. peachesgooner says:

    Actually that came from somewhere else so I don’t know if its for real……….

  157. peachesgooner says:

    I wanted Rosicky to play for the first time tomorrow 😦

  158. peachesgooner says:

    Did you see the PV4 trailer to the game……..yeeeeeeeessssssss…….is he gonna come, is he, is he, is he?

    OMG πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚ πŸ˜€

  159. peachesgooner says:

    I’ll just chat away to myself then shall I…….I wonder if David Dein is there today……

  160. peachesgooner says:

    …….more chance of DD than DF thats for sure……

  161. kelsey says:

    Hello,

    the trailer was a big clue to an earlier remark at half time in the previous match which said Viera was at the ground. but I don’t believe rumours.

    Anyone know about Diaby, i read he was injured. I don’t believe Walcott is being rested either,he has had as much time off as Cesc. the mystery deepens.

  162. peachesgooner says:

    Hiya – you could write a post about the injury mystery πŸ™‚

  163. kelsey says:

    Half time analysis;

    Poor crowd
    same problems in defending set pieces
    poor passing
    not a well balanced side
    eboue is eboue

    Pluses

    Rvp looks class but a bit flash
    Rosicky,looks great and will be a big influence sooner than expected.

  164. peachesgooner says:

    That was not a very exciting 45mins 😦

    Eboue nearly saved our blushes made himself some space and took a shot, Rosicky had the ball in the net but was off-side. Rosicky has been good though – very pleased to have him back.

    I’ve got seats in Club level tomorrow and I hope its busier than today or I’ll be moving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  165. peachesgooner says:

    kelsey – isn’t it amazing how the classy players shine out against the others……

  166. rico says:

    Same old, same old………..

    Thomas – well he is so up for this season

    Robin – I loved it when he picked his son up in the tunnel… πŸ˜‰

    Denilson or Ramsey – Ramsey for me, he looks eager

    Nik – Same old

    Eboue – as London would say, please leave you banned word

    Sagna – he has practised his crossing, much more like the player we fell in love with..

    JD – Steady
    Gallas – nothing to do really, just a typical pre-season rusty display

    Mannone – mme, judge is out

    Traore – nothing like our old Traore, he has more confidence, and has a good cross on him…

  167. rico says:

    LJ and Merida πŸ™‚ – i am off to watch πŸ˜‰

  168. peachesgooner says:

    hi rico – me too πŸ™‚

  169. rico says:

    Oh, and is the ref born and bread in Madrid by any chance…. πŸ˜‰

  170. Irishgunner says:

    Evening all,

    Is the game any good?

    So Senderos is off to Everton according to the Irish meeja and Lescott will be off to Citeh.

    Rasputin – sorry now but as a proud Irish person I have to pull you up on this ” A damning indictment of our chances from an Irish person I’m not so fond of ” – Tony Cascarino IS NOT IRISH, that muppet only played in the international set up when Quinn wasn’t available. We don’t like him so he doesn’t count as Irish any more πŸ˜‰

  171. JonJon says:

    evening….

    i dont think everton buying a defender means that lescott is being sold…

    jagielka is injured until xmas with cartlidge damage he recieved at the end of last season…he had an operation and will be out until at least november so i see a CB at everton a must signing…

    it doesnt mean lescotts leaving…

    and apart from jackie ive been falling asleep…

  172. peachesgooner says:

    Poor poor poor defending yet again……why can’t we defend a lead, I know its only pre-season but Gallas and Djourou are not inexperienced !!!!!!!!!

  173. peachesgooner says:

    LJW looked fab though didn’t he, well done to him I hope he gets to play a big part this season

  174. Irishgunner says:

    Was Arshavin’s second goal really from a “ridiculous” angle?

    Text updates are awful 😦

  175. kelsey says:

    Wilshere man of the match tells it all really.

    Pay big bucks you get class = AA

    It reminded me of so many home games last season,and only 2 weeks to sort out the defence.

    Great near impossible winner but overall a shite performance against an average spanish side.

    official attendence 54200 what !!!

    Irish it was an impossible angle.

  176. Irishgunner says:

    😯 – Can’t wait to see it on Youtube, thanks Kelsey.

  177. JonJon says:

    AA’s goal was from about 6 inches away from the goalpost….on the line….

    dunno how he manged to bend that round the post…he was on the slide too….

    quite amazing really…i first though dudu had tapped it in but no…

  178. avenell says:

    It would have helped if Statman learned to tackle..

  179. JonJon says:

    jack was amazing….deserves nasris spot at the start of the year…

    i still dunno about ramsey…doesnt look that special to me…

  180. JonJon says:

    dont think statmans a starter either…i want another signing alongside cesc before the season starts…

  181. avenell says:

    Jack deserves Theo’s spot on the right wing.. he is 10 times the player Theo is..

  182. rico says:

    Hi all, as I suggested earlier, same old, same old…

    JJ, dont you think Ramsey was better than Statman ??

    What a different side though when AA, Dudu and Cesc came on… oh, and LJ of course πŸ˜‰

    The defence – its still shocking at times, maybe not physically, but mentally they are all over the place…

  183. Irishgunner says:

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3094139/

    πŸ˜† Listen to the commentary – doesn’t know how to pronounce Rosicky.

    The ground looked pretty empty.

  184. JonJon says:

    definately…jacks a footballer…he changed that game , i was falling asleep…it reminded me of the late GG erea….

  185. avenell says:

    I think JD gets his angles all wrong when the left back pushes forwards.

  186. rico says:

    Ave – LJ is still 17 years old, AW will not play him from the start, it will knacker his bones, we need him for the long term.. today he proved what he can do from the bench, and for me that is what he should do every game (FA cup and CC aside)

    LJ should be one of the first subs on, and we are spoilt as he can play left or right..

  187. JonJon says:

    hes more direct rico but i dont see it…i dont see the 5mil player that stopped us from getting alonso last season…

    for me he hasnt justified the fee we paid…i dont see the player wenger sees…

    like eboue…i think hes another dud…

  188. rico says:

    JJ, All I am saying he that he looks better than Statman, but he still isnt good enough to play alongside Cesc, but then Paddy and Matuidi will take that position real soon πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

  189. rico says:

    The more these frugal interviews by Arsene take place, the more I believe tomorrows alledged agenda may take place πŸ˜›

  190. JonJon says:

    and i agree with all your saying rico… πŸ˜‰

    dont you think that jack is a better talent now than what theo,diaby,denilson,song or ramsey is????

    hes in the squad before any of them for me…

  191. London says:

    Statman LMFAO

  192. rico says:

    JJ, I dont think you need me to answer that, LJ is way ahead of them all, his ball control, his intelligence, his attitude, confidence, skill, technical ability, mental strength… πŸ˜‰

    I just think he is awesome for his age, he changed the game today… AA, well, words are not worthy of his abilty to finish…

  193. London says:

    The trouble with comparing Statman to Ramsey and Jack is that Statman can do a bit of defending where as the other two can’t do any. I am not trying to sell you Statman I am trying to say that it would probably be fairer to compare what he brings to the table with that of Song rather than Ramsey or Jack.

    I really enjoyed today’s game I seem to be far happier than anyone else.

  194. London says:

    Wilshire is going to be playing more and more I wouldn’t worry about that.

  195. peachesgooner says:

    London – you’re always optimistic. What did you think of the Vieira trailer?

    I think its fair to be optimistic because AA’s ability to finish is not a surprise – he is a magician and as long as we create chances he’ll get us out of trouble……..we’re gonna score one more than you…..

  196. London says:

    We still haven’t seen the first team. I doubt that we will until the Valencia game. Eboue was out there like a show pony on display with for sale sign on his back that was the reason for playing him in so many positions……look at me, I can play right back, right midfield and left wing lol. He will be gone by the beginning of the season.

    The difference when Jack came on and played out there on the right was truly awesome.

  197. JonJon says:

    thing with that london is i’d rather sacrifice that bit of defending seeing as though its useless anyway and add to the attack…

    going from what i seen today…and if we dont sign matilda or vieira…im agreeing with your moving rosicky into the centre with cesc…

    while nasris out…lets go with

    jack, cesc,rosicky, AA

    in the middle…sod the defending role…we cant do it anyway so why sacrifice an extra attacker just to try…????

  198. peachesgooner says:

    Lots of teams have a talisman striker that gets them out of trouble – mostly they all have a good defence too so that they can win 1-0……….

    Us, we score a late goal and then concede even later…..aaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhh

  199. JonJon says:

    london thats the impression i got from eboue too…

  200. avenell says:

    Jack, Cesc, Song, Rosicky.
    AA.
    Bendtner.

  201. London says:

    Peaches

    I didn’t see the Vieira trailer, what was it like?

  202. Irishgunner says:

    😯 That was a tight angle.

    I love how Arshavin took the chance though, his anticipation was excellent.

  203. peachesgooner says:

    I’m really excited by that mid-field JJ, if Rosicky has the energy then play him next to Cesc…….

  204. JonJon says:

    id still prefer dudu to bendtner ave…

  205. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry London – I know it was your idea first….

  206. avenell says:

    If Vieira comes.. swap him for Song.. But Song is worth persevering with..

  207. JonJon says:

    irish i love tight angles.. πŸ˜‰

    peaches i saw the vieira trailor,and the arsene interview after the trailor…i get the feeling hes an arsenal player…..again…

    and i like that midfeild too…we cant defend.so lets stop trying….

  208. JonJon says:

    does anyone think that merida showed good touches too…

    im beginning to think that wengers promoted the wrong players from the youth team….

    id rather have merida and jacky in than ramsey,denilson or walcott…

    then again…ramsey and walcott cost the club 17mil….so i can see why he perseveres with them…

  209. peachesgooner says:

    The Vieira trailer was to the Jackson 5 ‘I want you back’ and it was all Vieira – lots of lovely tackles and footage of him being masterful and scoring goals πŸ™‚ πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€

    And they showed an interview of Arsene being asked the question about him coming back and he didn’t say no its not going to happen…………

    Ray Parlour poured a bucket of cold water though saying Vieira hasn’t played much and he wouldn’t be an addition to the squad……but we know better don’t we…..

  210. Irishgunner says:

    Paddy’s coming home??? πŸ˜€

  211. avenell says:

    Jonjon.. it’s about balance, I think we need a bit of presence up front. of course I like Dudu better than Bendtner.. But England like Gerrard and Lampard but it doesn’t work.

  212. JonJon says:

    london the paddy trailor was basically a 2 minute sketch of him kicking the shit out of everyone…going on runs..scoring goals….arguing with refs and lifting trophies…

    in the red and white…

    good stuff…abit like you tube..

  213. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon – I got the same impression as you about Vieira – Ray Parlour was asked whether it was a good plan to let him go to WHL, I expect he had to choose his words very carefully πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  214. avenell says:

    And headbutting that dirty b***ard Keane.. πŸ˜‰

  215. Rasputin says:

    I still think our problems lie with the defence. Is there anyone out there who doesn’t think we should buy another CB if big phil goes? (apart from AW that is)

  216. JonJon says:

    i know ave and i agree with that….i think bentner is better to play off…but it seems to me he always plays better from the bench or as the season goes on….

    dudus more direct and plays in and around the box…bendtner likes to drift out to the wings and is more of a no.10…

    i dont think it does our chances of scoring any good when your lone striker isnt in the box….

  217. avenell says:

    Rasp.. I would rather heve a midfield player that will run back and cover the back 4, I’m not bothered either way about a CH..

  218. avenell says:

    JJ, but Arshavin could run into the no9 position, like Dudu can play off Bendtner.. It’s an exciting problem.. Much better than our old one.. πŸ˜‰

  219. JonJon says:

    i think we need another CB rasp…..

    one who can organise….

    i agree with parlour..we need a CB, CM and CF…

  220. avenell says:

    I don’t think any CB is ever going to look good in our side while we are compressing play on the edge of the opponents penalty area passsing sideways..

    We are always open to the break.. If WE sat back and cut through the opponents defence more.. it would not leave our defence exposed.

  221. rico says:

    For what it’s worth, I still think we need a CH, CM and a striker…..

    AND

    I also think we will get all three, but I don’t expect to have heard of any of them πŸ˜‰

  222. Rasputin says:

    True JonJon …. its all about the ‘spine’. I’m almost certainly in the minority, but I don’t think any of the keepers are up to it either – they all seem to panic when the pressure’s on.

    Are you saying we don’t need a CB ave? If you’re saying a good DM would make the difference, I agree.

  223. peachesgooner says:

    I think we need another CB rasp – but a good tried and tested one not one for the future…….Hangelaand is the man at least he knows what hes supposed to be doing……you know I love Senderos but I’d rather spend the money on Hangelaand than have to watch schoolboy defending 😦

  224. Irishgunner says:

    Hangeland seems like a no-go after he played in Europe midweek. Damn you Hodgson.

  225. Rasputin says:

    I do love Senderos … when he’s playing for anyone except Arsenal πŸ˜•

    I don’t think it’s a big deal that Hangeland could play in the CL til after Xmas … might just mean we get him more cheaply. If we can’t get past the group stage with JD, TV and Gallas, we’re not good enough any way.

  226. JonJon says:

    rasp…

    my priorities at the start of the season was a new CB and a new CM…

    we have our CB… now we just need a CM and i’ll be happy….

    but if we went and got another CB, and huntelaar…id be even more happy…

  227. Irishgunner says:

    That’s if we make the Champions League 😯

  228. avenell says:

    I sort of agree Rasp.. But I don’t like the term DM.. it is against the principles of Total Football, Wengerball. We should defend as a team attack as a team..

  229. JonJon says:

    i agree ave…

    i dont use the term DM…i prefer box to box CM

  230. avenell says:

    We paid a lot of money for Vera Lynn so Wenger has obviously done his homework on him.. Also JD is a good a 3rd choice CB as most Premier League teams.. So I am not too bothered about a CB..

  231. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – you are funny πŸ™‚

    David Dein called me to say thanks for trying to get ave and JJ to see the other side of the story but its obvious they’ve been suckered by the PR machine πŸ˜‰

  232. London says:

    I’m trying to imagine who will be the central defenders tomorrow. Gallas and Djourou will be out, Vermaelen is a banker but who will play next to him?

  233. avenell says:

    Probably Silvestre.. Maybe Song.. or is Hoyte back London?

  234. JonJon says:

    isnt vera still injured from the hangover colt 45 game????

  235. JonJon says:

    haha peaches…

  236. rico says:

    I am going to leave you all to it – nighty night

  237. avenell says:

    See you tomorrow rico.. x

  238. JonJon says:

    oh dear… πŸ˜‰

  239. avenell says:

    They need to buy some more depth..

  240. JonJon says:

    yeah they lack numbers…

  241. Rasputin says:

    I’m not going tomorrow if Tweetypie is playing.

    Ave you pedantic git πŸ˜‰ …OK not DM, how about UADGEHTM = up and down, good engine, hard tackling midfielder

  242. London says:

    They need Eboue

  243. Rasputin says:

    Irish, I just let you out of ‘pending’ from earlier … I’ve no idea why you were in there?

  244. JonJon says:

    hahaha rasp…

  245. kelsey says:

    Vermaelen has a slight muscle problem so is out tomorrow according to le Boss. Come in Sen dare ros.

    Night rico.

  246. peachesgooner says:

    rasps gonna stage a walkout if tweedy-pie plays so Sen dare ross had better play the whole game alongside Djourou πŸ™‚

  247. Rasputin says:

    I’ve just watched the highlights of the game. AA is a class above every other player we have … he’s the nearest thing to a genius since DB (I rank TH as a phenomenon, DB as a genius)The defending from the 2 CB’s for their equalizer was atrocious. The simple ball through the middle as in previous games. AW … you have to get them to work on that because all the opposition manager’s will be taking note of that weakness.

  248. avenell says:

    Sorry Rasp.. the DM thing annoys me a bit like the Winger thing.. I have never known Arsene to have a true “winger” Overmars, Ljungberg, Pires, Parlour, Rosicky, Hleb were all wide midfielders imo.. they all cut in allowing the full backs to overlap.. perhaps except Overmars who was more like a striker..

  249. peachesgooner says:

    AA is indeed a genius rasp – how did he score that 2nd goal ………

  250. JonJon says:

    ave..overmars was a striker converted ‘winger’

    wenger never has done wingers

    either strikers or mobile attacking mids play there..

    pennant was the closest wenger got to a winger and he wouldnt play him…

    as for the DM thing…i think gilberto was the only real DM wengers had…and i regard him a weak link anyway…vieira made him look good..

  251. avenell says:

    Did anyone else notice we man for man marked from at least 2 set pieces today?.. perhaps Mr Wenger is looking at this..

  252. avenell says:

    I thought “lil Jack” was at least as good as anyone out there today.. and he was as tall as Merida when he came on, I think he has shot up a few inches..

  253. Rasputin says:

    LJ man of the match.

    ave, our definition of players means nothing. Arsene would play them all as wide midfielders if he could πŸ™„

  254. peachesgooner says:

    ave – I noticed the other day that he looked taller – it’ll be intersting to see how his growth spurt affects his running. Hes always looked like a bendy toy when hes running with the ball – able to twist and turn in all directions, hope he doesn’t lose that……….

  255. avenell says:

    Your right their Peaches.. I don’t know the best way to describe his running.. sort of bow legged with his feet overlapping..

  256. Rasputin says:

    He looked thinner – maybe that’s because he’s taller?
    I noticed AW giving poor Pat Rice a dreadful earbashing when we conceded the gaol – it was as if PR was to blame…..I guess he’s there for Arsene to rant to when he gets exasperated.

  257. avenell says:

    Did you notice Bouldy sitting behind them.. mmmm one more year of Paddy then the training begins..

  258. peachesgooner says:

    Yes rasp – everybody needs a PR for just that purpose πŸ˜‰

  259. JonJon says:

    http://gingersforlimpar.blogspot.com/2009/08/manchester-city-in-still-shit-shock.html

    guys the headline kills me…i cant stop laughing…

    what a headline… LMAO

  260. avenell says:

    I had the 25,000 comment a while back cheers guys.. well done all for keeping it together… somehow πŸ˜‰

  261. Rasputin says:

    Are you sure you didn’t write that JonJon? … it’s definitely your style πŸ˜†

  262. Rasputin says:

    Is there a female version of PR peaches? πŸ˜›

  263. JonJon says:

    lol rasp…

    maybe thats the reason why im still keiled over….two pees from the pod….

  264. Rasputin says:

    Happy Anniversary ave … shotgun the 50,000th

  265. kelsey says:

    Watch out Theo you need to up your game, you have real competition from jack and to a degree Tomas.

    Awful to boo reyes today as well, and its goodnight from me.

  266. peachesgooner says:

    I do believe so rasp πŸ˜›

  267. peachesgooner says:

    Goodnight kelsey – you’re absolutely right about the booing of Reyes, our supporters can be so embarassing…. 😦

  268. avenell says:

    Yeah.. we shouldn’t boo the slag who courted Real Madrid while still under contract to us, remember the phone call.. Oh and the wearing of the RM shirt..

  269. JonJon says:

    yeah we shoulndt boo any other players in different colour shirts….

    we should spend our time booing our own instead…

    cant win πŸ˜‰

  270. peachesgooner says:

    ave – you’re such a meenie……that was years ago…..wheres your good grace……he was a visitor

  271. avenell says:

    Cost us about Β£10 million and you moan about the price of tickets.. have you no morals?

  272. Rasputin says:

    ave and JonJon are the hardmen of AR ….. I reckon they look just like the blues brothers πŸ˜‰

  273. avenell says:

    Jonjon looks like the dead one.. 😎

  274. peachesgooner says:

    Me…..morals……nah πŸ™‚

    But I don’t like us booing players that have left……except the little shit and the one that can’t hit a barn door – I’ll make an exception for them πŸ™‚

  275. avenell says:

    We made money out of those two tossers, Reyes stiched us right up.. got us backed into a corner where every club in the world knew we have to sell him.. made us look idiots to Real Madrid.. haha your player wants to play for us, We will give you a fiver to take him off your hands..

  276. Rasputin says:

    True ave – but maybe we should have done our homework better before we signed him. I’d never even heard of him and was astounded at the price we paid….. that deal ranks alongside Jeffers and Richard Wright

  277. avenell says:

    Rasp.. I think it is a shame he had a chance to become a great, but like Anelka wrongly advised..

  278. peachesgooner says:

    ave – do you think all the people booing Reyes today knew all of those facts?

  279. peachesgooner says:

    I thought this Firefox thing was suppose to be quicker – my comments are taking ages to go through……

  280. Rasputin says:

    I think he was a bit of a baby and a mummy’s boy. Every time he got tackled he looked like he was going to burst into tears – and so every opposition defender would dump him on his arse. He needed a pair of cojones, but must have left them in Spain.

  281. avenell says:

    That is a difficult question to answer Peaches.. but fans are not stupid.. In my experience the discussion at football matches was similar to that on todays blogs..

  282. JonJon says:

    peaches..

    id say that 50% of them knew..the ones in the crowd that were actually there to support arsenal…..the rest were the ones from tibett or outer space that sit with the i love london badges and the cameras and the travel guides and just follow what the rest are doing….

  283. avenell says:

    Peaches.. mine is refreshing fast tonight.. Perhaps it is your server..

  284. peachesgooner says:

    ……well I wouldn’t have booed him – whats the point, its a friendly for goodness sake …….

  285. peachesgooner says:

    Anyone watching QI – they’re torturing Ann Widdecombe who’s in the chair…..

  286. JonJon says:

    friendly booing peaches….greated with a friendly smile…. πŸ˜‰

    he knew why they were booing or he wouldnt of smiled….

    it was one of those im innocent smiles that you can read right through…

  287. Rasputin says:

    We should have boo’hoo’d him – we could have all had a good cry together… 😦

  288. peachesgooner says:

    I wish I hadn’t mentioned it now…… πŸ˜₯

  289. JonJon says:

    awww peaches im glad you did…

    i think you fancied him like most female gooners did…my ex girlfriend only started supporting arsenal cos of him…so maybe theres a hidden agenda with me.. πŸ˜† but when we broke up she started support chelsea cos they were winning so im glad i dumped the cow… πŸ˜‰

    rasp LMAO

  290. Rasputin says:

    Don’t let the blog bullies get you down peaches … cheer up, you’re going to THOF tomorrow πŸ™‚

  291. peachesgooner says:

    Any ideas why I can’t get the stats up on my dashboard

  292. peachesgooner says:

    πŸ™‚ thats quite funny JonJon….

  293. Rasputin says:

    JonJon, its so wrong when women support football just because they fancy the blokes. I’ve been a lifetime fan of ladies beach volleyball, it’s a fantastic sport for the connoisseur of sand based nudity πŸ˜†

  294. JonJon says:

    yeah the two faced hussy..how could i trust her when she played a trick like that..lucky escape me thinks…

    i wouldnt mind but she supported manutd before arsenal…

    i should of spotted it a mile off… πŸ˜‰

    im off to get a cold shower.. πŸ˜†

  295. avenell says:

    Peaches next to the word stats there is a small scroll down arrow on the righthand side of the bar press that..

  296. peachesgooner says:

    I did think he was rather yummy I have to admit…… πŸ˜‰

  297. JonJon says:

    rasp… πŸ˜†

    i also am a great fan of ladies beach volley ball… (apart from the eastern european women)

    i find the technique involved in carefully yet powerfully lobbing the ball over that netty thing a fascinating spectacle….

    another sport i admire is ladies gymnastics and ladies swimming….there really is some athletic ladies out there with so much talent…

    i find it difficult to beleive someone would follow a sport for the sole purpose of watching the opposite sex…

    mind boggling.. πŸ™‚

  298. Rasputin says:

    Greasey slimeball if you ask me … but I can’t get in touch with my feminine side these days…

  299. peachesgooner says:

    mind boggling.. πŸ˜€

  300. JonJon says:

    it makes you wonder though rasp why people watch sports like equestrian!!!!!

  301. Rasputin says:

    Exactly JonJon, the idea that men should view curvaceous, buxom, pert, fit and perfectly formed women purely as sex objects is totally reprehensible πŸ™„

  302. peachesgooner says:

    He did look like a greasy slime-ball today – the shirt obviously makes all the difference πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚ πŸ˜€

  303. peachesgooner says:

    I should never have admitted to that should I……

  304. avenell says:

    There is someting about the close up when they show the tactics I like πŸ˜‰

  305. JonJon says:

    thats the spirit peaches…

  306. peachesgooner says:

    totally reprehensible πŸ™„ πŸ˜›

  307. Rasputin says:

    Yes ave, I like it when they toss the ball up and gently slap it with their hands…..

  308. peachesgooner says:

    You won’t forget will you that I am a girl 😳

  309. peachesgooner says:

    I might see if anyone wants to play scrabble with me while you’re drooling over ball tossing and giving out slaps….. πŸ˜€

  310. JonJon says:

    yes ave…the close ups for the tactics are incredible…

    ive learned so much more about volleyball by carefully freezeframing the ‘tactics’

    thank god for sky+.. πŸ˜‰

  311. JonJon says:

    rasp…

    yes..i like it when they do that…and also the fact that theres about 10 other girls all wanting to toss it and slap it as well…

    fantastic group sport…

  312. avenell says:

    Ten 0clock xxxxx is back hello, hello..

  313. Rasputin says:

    Are we past the watershed ave?

  314. Rasputin says:

    On that note ave, I’m gonna have to leave you guys to it as I have an important appointment at THOF tomorrow. Have fun,catch up after the game.

    Nite all, sleep well……

  315. avenell says:

    Ok mate.. I might pop out for a while too.. nite Rasp..

  316. JonJon says:

    night guys..i’ll play by myself.. πŸ˜‰

  317. rico says:

    Morning everyone – at last we have sunshine, not much news around this morning, but today is the day isn’t it ??

  318. rico says:

    Guess you are all still in the land of nod… Catch you later

  319. London says:

    Morning all

    I have a bit of a post, a sort of a match report, if anyone may be intersted?

  320. Rasputin says:

    Morning rico, London,

    I’d like to read your match report London … why don’t you put it up?

  321. London says:

    Oaky dokey

  322. London says:

    New Post

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