Those Were the Days My Friend.. (or were they?)

Following on from a conversation yesterday between Franchise and London, they touched upon a point I was going to write a post about, but was having trouble structuring, but it prompted me to have a bash so here goes..

When we had a team full of world class players, Vieira,  Bergkamp, Pires, etc, we reached the  Champions League final just as that team was breaking up.. But at their peak that team or Wenger’s teams before them never really achieved what they should have done in Europe,  going out in the quarter finals etc on a regular basis or not qualifying  past the early stages..  Okay  we were the best in England every now and again.. Which was nice!!  But were we Champions or runners up of the 3rd strongest League in the world?

These days the Premier League is the strongest in the world,  the anti has been upped and we are 3rd/4th in that and also regular Semi Finalists in the Champions League, which brings me to the point..

It is really a series of questions for debate..

Are we actually any worse in real terms?.. In fact I would say we are relatively stronger than we were when we had all the big names..

All teams in Europe can pick from the same pool of players..  We used to be in the top 16 in a good campaign in Europe.. now we are top 4..  So although we haven’t picked up any silverware, I suggest this is because our domestic League is far stronger.. That makes our League the hardest to win in the world.. Unlike it was in “98” the good ol’ days..

So from having world class players who only made the best 16 in Europe we now have crap players who are now getting us up to the dizzy heights of the top 4.. How does that work then???

If we had “crap” in our team like Ade, Denilson, Song, etc .. and we are better than 5 years ago that must mean that some of our players are  far better than our best players were back then,  to make up for that deficit..

Another point  is these players who are performing at least as good as the invincibles were virtually unheard of,  so perhaps it sort of makes us feel inferior as supporters that the other teams seem to pick up the expensive signings and we don’t,  but  because our players are young and we haven’t been watching them play for other clubs on a Tuesday or a Wednesday night for the Meeelans of the Humbugs of Italy before we bought them,  do we think of them as not as good as the players other clubs pay £10million  or more for??

So Arsene Wenger OBE  has  made us a top 4 club in Europe..  he has made us a top 4 side even with Song in it..  He has done this spending less than £3 million pounds a year on transfers.. (after the comings and goings) .. We also have a stadium to be proud of..

But we haven’t won the cup of the strongest League in the world.. I suggest we are as good as we was… but the goalposts have moved..

Where we are going against clubs that are not generating their finances within football I will save for another post.. But my feelings on that are quite depressing..

If that made no sense, I am sorry I wrote it under the influence.. lol..

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488 Responses to Those Were the Days My Friend.. (or were they?)

  1. block6gooner says:

    Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt that will appease some of the “cup half empty” fans!

  2. kelsey says:

    Morning Ave,

    Though I know you are still in the land of noddy.I have to disagree with a lot of your post,but in the immortal words of London, i will get back to you shortly.I need to digest this first,rather than hurry an answer without due consideration.

  3. JonJon says:

    morning all.

    block6gooner welcome…

    the main thing for me, what i always look at…is that we HAVE spent just as much money as the likes of chelsea and manure in the last few year….

    only its gone into a new stadium and not the team….

    looking from my half full glass as irish puts it….i would say we are doing rather well considering the new challanges that we now come across in the modern game….

    but looking fom my glass half empty….we were told whn the stadium was planned that it was going to put us in the position where we could compete with europes top teams for transfers and wage demands…

    the leagues harder now….but we dont make it any easier on ourselves by giving all the youngsters top top wages and still looking for basement bargians in the transfer window…

    we have done the right thing in termsof securing our future but there has to be a balance…

    id rather have 11 class players in the team on 80k a week than 22 average 19-20 year olds on 40k… if you get me???

  4. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    Ave, the lack of football news has led us all to trawl out memory banks to try to make sense of our recent seasons. I think if someone else had written your post, you would disagree with most of it….. so well done for sparking what I am sure will be a long and passionate debate.

    I agree the stats show that our present set up is more effective in europe than the invincibles. I agreed with you in the past that very few of our current players would get into the invincibles side. Maybe we’ve done better in europe because it has been far and away the main focus of Arsene’s thinking to the detriment of the prem and the FA cup performances?

  5. London says:

    Morning kelsey

    That made me laugh…..actually I agree the post does need considering. It is not something you can just add a throw away comment too; it is quite profound. I wonder if he was under the influence of drink or something a bit more exotic.

  6. Rasputin says:

    Hi JonJon,

    We have sacrificed some inspirational brilliance for clinical efficiency (except for the dfence in the prem 😦 )

    The hard truth is that we fans come way down the list of priorities in running the club/business and that’s the way it has to be for our long term survival. AA’s arrival reminded us of how great it is to have world class players. Recently, whenever one of our fledglings has looked like reaching that standard, they have been seduced by the big wage packets and exotic lifestyles at more wealthy and glamorous clubs. Let’s face it, we are not one of the big clubs in europe – I would think we come 8th or 9th in that league.

  7. London says:

    Morning All

    A very thought provoking post and having just read Rasp’s comment I think I know where I am now. I simply believe that Wenger regrets putting as much emphasise on the FA cup as he did when he had a squad that most of us thought was better than the one we have today. Wenger has since done a 180 on this and nothing demonstrates this better than the team selection for the semi against Chelsea.

  8. JonJon says:

    franchise..

    i actually agree with your 8.10 yest…

    dudu doesnt seem to be the complete striker..but the main attributes he has is his finishing and his movement…..hes abit like a modern day robbie fowler…

    we are not a long ball team so we dont need a big lump like ade leading the line….

    we need someone who can make the right runs…and put the ball in the net..dudu scored 11 goals in his first season and he was injured for 4 months…he seemed to be settling nicely…lets hope we get him back properly…

    also world class players want to play with other world class players…

    all our best players leave us becuase they dont want to wait 5 years for trophies….

    henry, vieira, pires, the only reason they stayed for so long is because we were winning….henry left because he knew he would have to be patient with he new crop of players and he wasnt interested….like famini and hleb…..

    if we’d of gone 5 years back then henry and paddy wouldnt of stayed….and the same will happen with cesc and AA…

    so we need to pull our fingers out and start winning…or we will be in a vicious circle every season….

    under the current circumstnces its hard…but we do need to show more ambition and start stamping our authority…we are classed as one of europes elite teams….so we need to start acting like one…

  9. JonJon says:

    rasp…

    i agree….compared to europes other top teams we are not as near as we think we are..

    look at the CL last season…we struggled againts the mediocre teams and then got smashed in the semis by a big team..

    we were the poorest side in the semis out of the other 4….

    and we were lucky to get to the semis…

  10. Rasputin says:

    True JonJon,

    In some ways, Arsene is the ‘David Moyes’ of the managers at the top level. He’s overachieved with a fraction of their budget, but still provided one of the best stadiums and training facilities in world football. Wea are at a pivotal stage now, because having achieved that, we need to move forward. Its a results driven industry, winning is important. Our sponsors will be reluctant to offer us big deals if we are not bringing home trophies. I wonder if the sponsors would rather the City of Manchester Stadium was named the Emirates????

  11. JonJon says:

    good point rasp…

    if there was a league of europe elite…we would be the everton….

    its interesting to hear GG comments about ade….

    i normally think ex gooners have a point when they make a statement about current affairs but i think GG is way off the mark with this one…

  12. London says:

    You all make this sound like some brand new revalation that we are not at the very top of the pecking order in Europe and Wenger is the equivalent of David Moyes….why do you think I have been defending the whole thing as enthusiastically as I do….welcome to my world

  13. Rasputin says:

    GG is way off the mark. Ade would have left any way whatever the feelings of the supporters. He’s a greedy two faced mercenary and citeh will discover that. No club can keep a player that wants to leave and expect them to perform to their highest level. Added to that, the effect on the rest of the players is negative.

    Manu and Villa got it right. They knew Ron and Barry wanted to leave so they did a deal to say give me your best for one more season and you’ll get your way – but if you underperform, your new club may lose interest. A good or bad season can make a huge difference to a players worth.

  14. Rasputin says:

    Hi London,

    There is a huge difference between defending everything AW does because he is ‘AW’ and defending him because he’s doing his best under difficult circumstances.

    We will never agree, but in my opinion he made a big mistake for the club, the fans and the sponsors by not realising that we could never have won the CL last season and not giving the FA cup the priority.

  15. JonJon says:

    agree rasp…

    last years FA Cup would have shut the fans up for another couple of seasons…and got them back on his side….

    instead he put all his eggs into one basket with a team of kids that had struggled all year in their own league….

    we ended up with nothing but a season to forget…

  16. kelsey says:

    This might be a different approach to my history of posting,but there are several things have changed since the invinsible era.

    Ave, if you accept for a moment that the club are really strapped for cash or you are of the belief that Wenger is a one off,often called stubborn,meaning he would generally like to buy compatively unknown players to the PL, his net spending up to the last published accounts in may 2008,is unbelievably only 4 million.

    The media and tabloids,for some reason wish us to fail year upon year,and that in itself may motivate Wenger.

    Spurs have had 11 managers,not won the league for nearly 60 years,yet get little or no flack.

    People point to Abramovich and his money,but it is often forgotten that the basis of the team that won the league for the first time in 50 years,was mainly built by Rainiera(sp) and within a matter of days Chelsea were in debt to the tune of 90 million,the arc angel Abromavich came to Ken bates rescue and of course added huge finance to the club,to keep the momentum going.

    Arsenal are a one off in this present day,still full of old heritage board members and a tradition which they are proud of,and are reluctant to see the ineviatable,that is a takeover.

    I am from a different generation to those who started to follow the club which coincided with he Wenger years,and therefore more or less expect us to win a trophy every year.Remember we are the second most successful club since the PL was created,and it is no coincidence that United and us have the two longest serving managers,which shows a stability.

    I don’t agree with everything that Wenger does,but then on the other hand,it must be no mean task to handle players,contracts and agents when loyalty today means absolutely nothing.

    I think the emphasis on the youth policy has misfird(at least for the next few years)and which ever way you look at it,we tend to sell a player annually and invariably make a profit,then buy a replacement for a cheaper price.how many of us new about Sagna,hleb,even adebayor before they signed.

    Now we are in a world wide recession,which none of us have ever witnessed before,but RM have raised the bar yet again,followed closely by City and the long term of top class PL football looks bleak.

    I haven’t really answered your post,but just given my opinion,and remember considering that nearly every player got slated on the blogs last season,we finished forth and reached two Cup semifinals.
    16 other teams would be elated with that performance.

    I still thibnk our spending is not over for the main reason that we have so many injury prone players,regardless of ability and hopefully that will not be repeated this season,but contingencies have to be made.

  17. Rasputin says:

    Never to miss an opportunity, on a day when GG has already stuck the knife in, Fergie has added his twopennyworth..

    “Sir Alex Ferguson believes Arsenal have no money
    Manchester United boss reveals Gunners boss Arsene Wenger has limited funds to add to his squad and reckons the north Londoners will struggle this season”

  18. London says:

    Rasp

    Have I understood this properly? Are you saying when I defend AW I am doing it because he is AW and when you do so it is because he is doing his best under difficult circumstances?

    By the way, in my humble opinion, believing that we will not win the CL is no way to go about winning it.

  19. London says:

    Jonjon

    I would say that we come to the crux of Ave’s post. We had a better team in the invicibles but we achieved less in Europe, why is that? And I would say: because we were wasting our time in Cardiff instead of consentrating on being masters of Europe.

  20. Franchise says:

    hi JonJon and the rest of the intellects

    Eduardo is a marvelous to have

    i know he would score goals.

    we are good enough and big enough to have an all action/doing CF though. they do make the difference

    the kind of DM and CF we need would cost a few pennies and i doubt wenger would be willing to push past the £15m benchmark to sign one player

    Melo was one of the outstanding DM in Europe last season he cost £21m + a player, Yaya was another how much do u think he would cost

    we would end up with a player that is not good enough to keep denilson and song out of the team from the start. probably Matuidi

    As for CF im not sure we’ve got enough in quality. we do in numbers with players complementing each other’s weaknesses

    What i would do for a player like Etoo or Torres. Wouldnt mind Villa too

  21. Rasputin says:

    London,

    I wasn’t referring to you specifically, just a general observation that revering AW can lead to ‘blind spots’.

    Obviously having belief is vitally important to winning. But when you have a long term strategy as we appear to, surely an FA cup win would have been far more beneficial to the club than the humiliating way we were dummped out of the CL.

  22. Franchise says:

    we might start well with the team we have but we would probably run out of gas like we did in 2007/08

    how would we cope when all 4 competitions are in full swing?

    even in the invincible era we were very fond of running out of gas around feb/march

    i was quite optimistic that wenger would have completed in buys by now. the pressure is off his shoulders now compared to late May and i worry that he is going back to his old ways

  23. Rasputin says:

    Morning Franchise,

    I’d like to dream as you do, but the realist in me has to only consider players that are in our budget and scope. Dzeko may have been, but he aspires to go to one of the glamour clubs. If you add the attraction of the lifestyle to the salary and achievements at the RM’s, Barca’s and Milans … you can see that we don’t stand a chance with those high profile players.

  24. kelsey says:

    Actually,

    you may laugh but a combination of Rafa for Europe and Arsene for the PL would be a good combination.

    With regards to the FA Cup,it is the most prestigious cup tournament in the world,and I tend to agree for one reason or another the emphasis in it’s importance has changed,which is a shame.

  25. Franchise says:

    what does wenger mean when he says i have money to spend but only on the right players?

    fergie said he believes wenger is cash strapped. do u blame him?

    if we are pretending to be skint to sign players on the cheap then it is not doing us any good media wise

    no big players would want to move to us anymore.

  26. London says:

    Fair enough Rasp but please don’t forget that I agree with you when you say that always agreeing with everything AW can lead to blind spots. And as I always add there should be no shame in complementing him on good work as you were doing when comparing him to David Moyes. I would argue that I do the same; complments are a very subjective things.

  27. JonJon says:

    london

    the invincibles were crap in europe becuase we relied heavily on idividuals in that team and there were too many weak links

    we could of done better than toure, gilberto, lauren and mad jens…they were the weak links…

    henry vieira berg sol and pires carried that team…with cameos from cole and freddie…

    it was enough domesically..but in the big trophy against the likes of teams that had 11 quality players..henry pires vieira were man marked and we struggled….

    since then wengers tried to build a better ‘team’ to accomodate that…and we started to play some breath taking football, overtaking that of the invincibles…

    but the lack of trophies leads to departures in key areas and we end up starting over every season….

    wengers trying to win the biggest trophy on the domestic stage with a bunch of babies….

    its alot to ask…we should set our sights lower…go for the FAcup…keep the fans and the players happy for 2 more seasons and then make a charge for europe when we are ready….

    learn to crawl before you can walk…

  28. Franchise says:

    fergie has won the league 3x in a row. if he remained in the top 4 and wins the Carling cup there wouldnt be too much criticism on him based on his last few years achievement

    for us this is our most important season in the modern era. if we fail again everything would go pear shaped. i cant even start to think what might transpire

    im not happy at all.

    BTW

    JonJon and the intellects sounds like a good name for a 60s band

  29. London says:

    It is very rare for Fergy to criticise Arsenal at this stage of the season, he is usually complementary as a hedge against future embarrassment. I can only conclude that it is in fact United who are the cash strapped ones and are having trouble getting used to their financially superior neighbours.

  30. JonJon says:

    your right franchise…we might start well with the current side…but as the injuries kick in we will fade away…

    we are at least 2 players short….

    and i dont mean 21 yr olds from africa or france or outer tibbet….

    we need 2more AK47 type buys….

    and wengers got 25mil… no excuses

  31. Franchise says:

    liverpool couldnt afford torres straight so they offered a about £20m + luis garcia.

    if wenger was any ambitious he would do the same with his ‘highly’ rated fringe players

    but he wont

    cos he seems to put player progress over club progress

    i dont think the board which now includes an American sports tycoon would be that stupid to refuse Wenger cash and risk our position

    Wenger is getting too scientific for himself

  32. Rasputin says:

    I agree London – its like when Argentina invaded the Falklands to deflect attention from their domestic problems. United have been made to look 2nd class by losing Ronaldo and watching Tevez and other top players going to citeh.

  33. London says:

    Jonjon

    Fair comment but I would say we have been crawling for years it is time to get up and run and this might just be the season in which we do that. I want Wenger to be thinking now, today: sod the FA cup my cup priority is the CL.

  34. London says:

    Ohhh good comparison Rasp…like it…and agree with it.

  35. Franchise says:

    i doubt fergie is any worried

    the only target he had his eyes on benzema went to Madrid.

    M.Owen might prove to be a shrewd move.

    in Owen, Berba, Rooney u have 3 players who have scored more than 20 goals on more than one occassion in England

    if fergie can survive until January u know he would at least spend

    after 3 years wiythout the league remember his larsson signing in Jan 07

    if wenger did something similar in Jan 2008 we might have won the league

  36. JonJon says:

    london

    i think fergie is scared of us this season…hes started his mind game bollox and he aint done that with wenger or ages….

  37. JonJon says:

    wengers under more pressure franchise than ever before..kreonke and gazidis will want to make us global brands in america…

    we cant do that finishing 4th every year….

  38. Rasputin says:

    That could all go tits up for Fergie though Franchise …… say Owen gets injured, Berba is lazy and sulks and Rooney gets a series of reds ….. you can but hope 🙂

  39. Franchise says:

    lol Rasp

    when Avn Nisterooy left Mancs we all expected them to implode they didnt replace him and they won the league with Ronaldo scoring 26. i dont know how fergie does it well, he gets help from webb, riley and co for a start.

    United are tight at the back. if u cant conceded u cant loose they say

    im not even sure what verm would bring to the table. it would be interesting what happens next season but any neutral observer with some footballing knowledge would know that we havent made enough good moves all summer

    4th might really be the target

  40. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    Glad I don’t have to print some of the responses today, I would need a few ink cartriges..
    They have been excellent thanks..
    The post just started as a comment that got a bit long so I turned it into a post..

    It is about the battle in my head about us winning things and what the reality is..

    Just a small question that perhaps I should have asked within the post..

    Could this team beat or finish higher up the PL than the invincibles or the 98′ team????

  41. London says:

    Fergy is scared of everything. I really believe that we are about to witness the football equivalent of the fall of Rome.

    I find the idea of buying Micheal Owen as laughable and it is only the likes of Sky (manc tv) and the manc press who is holding this idea together. Owen is the Emperors new clothes: a little boy is going to point at him and say but he can’t run anymore and everyone is going to say, as they did at the end of last season, oh yeah, he is crap.

  42. Franchise says:

    * Van
    * concede

  43. Franchise says:

    London Owen has played more games than Rosicky over the last 2 years, more than Van Persie, and more than Eduardo

    we need our regular crocks fit if we would stand any chance

    we definitely have our own problems and ManU also do but we didnt just win the league for the 3rd time in a row

    4 years no silverware, 5 years no league, CL never

    which team should be more proactive this summer?

  44. London says:

    Franchise

    Your example of replacing Horse face with Ronaldo was at a time when manu were still financial top dogs. This is what we are all trying to tell you…….things have changed.

    And that is the reason Fergy is worried Owen is not horse face and he certainly is not Ronaldo.

    And by the way I thought I should point out you are defending manu.

  45. JonJon says:

    morning ave..

    98…no…they were the complete unit…they would of bullied and outplayed todays team off the park…

    invincibles..no…it would be a good game but cole and pires would have tore up our right hand side..especially if theo played…

  46. Rasputin says:

    Morning ave,

    Did you realise that your headline had double significance – the Clodagh Rogers song was credited to Gene Raskin, who put English lyrics to the Russian song “Dorogoi dlinnoyu” written by Boris Fomin (1900-1948) with words by the poet Konstantin Podrevskii. It deals with reminiscence upon youth and romantic idealism – maybe that’s where Arsene gets his inspiration 😉

  47. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    G’Day all

    Good post Avenell, good points you make.

  48. London says:

    Rosicky is not one of our main strikers (although he is very versatile and I am sure he could play the Flamini role if needed lol)

  49. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Rosicky will be a big lift if he can stay on the park. I’m also looking forward to seeing Little Nicky 😈 step into the void that has just been created, as a big forward, who is threatening in the air as well. Its all good, lets just get the show on the road.

  50. Franchise says:

    im defending ManU???? lol

    cos my club is been run like a sweet shop

    i doubt hull fans expect to win the league but their fans would be happy if they as a club appear to do enough to ensure they dont get relegated

    we making record profits, board have in the past have declared about £90m in cash reserves (in last year’s accounts) etc etc etc

    yet we keep acting like 4th is the target

  51. JonJon says:

    franchise….

    i agree we should be more pro active….

    manutd are weaker most definate…but we should be taking advantage of that and not resting on our laurels and using it as an excuse not to sign anyone..especially now citeh are throwing their money away…it creating an extra rival…and we still have ground to catch on pool and chavski

    things got off to a good start when we signed Vera Lynne….

    but its gone stale again….i would of liked the team to have been ready before pre season…

    we cant rely on the fact tomas and dudu are back ad say they are new signings…not good enough…if they are that important we should of replaced them last year….

    wenger now has 25ml…he needs to move quickly….

  52. Franchise says:

    London, Manu didnt replace VN with Ronaldo. Ron had been in the team for 3 years already. that summer Utd were very quiet in the transfer market

  53. Rasputin says:

    Morning Gnarley,

    Agree about Nik, – don’t you think he and the likes of Djourou need and injection of spite and aggression to make them more competitive. Hopefully some of TV’s attitude will rub off on them.

  54. JonJon says:

    LMAO london.. 😉

  55. avenell says:

    Franchise.. that £90 million was cash reserves for a year.. if you look into our financial report that year it clearly shows we needed to find £146 million 12 months later..

    That £90 is a myth built up to suit an argument.. It never told the full story..

  56. avenell says:

    On top of that if we carry on borrowing like Man U do we would have to sell a player of Fabregas’s quality every year to service that debt..

  57. Franchise says:

    Anyways with Mancs being skint, Fergie has confirmed on SSN that David Gill made an enquiry at a meeting for Ribery a few weeks ago but was told no chance, they also did try to sign Benzema but he chose Real. I dont think they are skint they just couldnt nail their star targets. he might be taking a big risk but he isnt under the same amount of pressure

  58. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Ras

    Agreed they do need to get meaner. But as they get more game time, they will feel more @ home on the big stage & therefore give more grunt. Well thats the theory anyway 🙂

  59. Franchise says:

    i didnt see that part of it Avenell. still no excuse though clubs generating 1/2 of our revenue are still making moves that match their level. Unlike us. if we are skint offer players like diaby, eboue, randall, merida, bendtner, senderos etc in cash + player deals

    squad of 24 is big enough

  60. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    Its taken me ages to read throught the comments – great debate, well done ave…….

    I think its upsetting that top class players aren’t attracted to the Arsenal anymore even if we could afford them……Arsene raided nearly all the french stars in the early days and then their cupboard was bare too…….

  61. kelsey says:

    Contrary what other may say, there are loads of flats still for sale at Highbury Square,which means that though i am sure they will be sold eventually in at least 2 years time,that is restricting our cash flow,even if the company has been so called “fenced off”

    We are a football club mot land developers or estate agents.

    And if no one wants to talk to me, i will sod off.

  62. peachesgooner says:

    The point about concentrating on the FA cup is an important one too – obviously Arsene wanted to keep on winning things to keep players interested but having won the FA cup shouldn’t the team move up a notch and challenge for the Champs Lge…….

    Saying that….I do think we should have been more competetive this season in both the Premiership and the FA cup…….

  63. peachesgooner says:

    I’m here – I’m talking to you……

  64. Rasputin says:

    What’s up Kelsey…..

    I don’t get involved in the financial debate – you lot understand it much better than me. I do remember the statement that the money for the stadium etc was ‘ringfenced’ …. that I believe in the well known financial phrase is a load of ‘old bollocks’

  65. peachesgooner says:

    kelsey – you are absolutely right that 16 other teams would have been thrilled to have achieved what we had last season………..

  66. peachesgooner says:

    Liverpool supporters soon lost patience with Rafa even after he’d won the Champs Lge and got to another final because they weren’t challenging for the Premiership…………..The Premiership title is what its all about for me…..if we’re strong enough to challenge for that then everything else should just fall into place…..

    Like the mancs the last 2 years……like us in our double years…..success leads to more success

  67. JonJon says:

    kelsey..
    the board say the flats are fenced off but i dont beleive for one minute that if the property side of things werent oing smoothly the club wouldnt use the football side of things to balance it out….

    we were told when the plan for the flats was drawn up…it would generate extra income some of which could go back into the team….

    so whats to say its not the other way round until they are sold????

  68. London says:

    Franchise

    The manu thing was a bit below the belt, I apologise.

    Moving on, no one one this channel thinks the club is, as you put it, skint. But all of us are aware of the the financial sea change that has taken place since the days that Arsenal and United ruled the league, both in financial clout and trophies.

    You are calling for the club to act in a way that is no longer possible, a way that we have had to work for about three years, a way that manu are just coming to know right now.

  69. Franchise says:

    2 semis in the CL, 5 quarter finals apps and 1 final app. Arse we really a top 4 side in Europe????

    if we are skint cos of highbury square then it is indeed laughable

    chipo from le-grove just posted this, bloomberg arsenal financials

    cashflow for the last few years

    2003 – 0.5m
    2004 – 40m
    2005 – 81.5m
    2006 – 37.7m
    2007 – 77.3m
    2008 – -21m

  70. peachesgooner says:

    Was the team that sat at the top of the premiership for all those weeks during 2007/2008 a much stronger team than we have now………

  71. avenell says:

    Kelsey… there were so many comments that I didn’t know who to answer first so I just saw who was on at the time.. Morning anyway….

    Franchise .. the offloading of the excess baggage I agree with..

    Jonjon.. in reality I think this team will beat the previous Arsenal teams as the quality of football now is much higher.. But we could pick up some of the qualities of the teams of the past, like the winning mentality..

  72. peachesgooner says:

    If I remember correctly the net gain from the sale of the flats was forcast to be about £25m – Arsenal were greedy and wanted that £25m for themsleves and decided to finance the development rather than let someone else make that profit.

  73. JonJon says:

    sorry about before kelsey

    im at work so its hard for me to keep up with everyone….i was mid debate …. i wasnt purposely ignoring you… 😉

  74. Rasputin says:

    Maybe some at the club do learn from the experiences of others – I’d like to think that RVP considered Hleb’s plight when deciding to stay with us, he recently said…..

    “I regret my move from London, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it now. For me, Arsene Wenger was like a father. I consider him one of the best managers in the world. For such a boss one wants to die on the pitch. Arsene managed to create a smashing team with a wonderful atmosphere inside of it. I have no doubts that if Arsenal had the same budget as Barcelona, the Gunners would be among the three best clubs on the planet.”

  75. Franchise says:

    if not for the Glazers taking a huge loan to buy United, ManU have been a well run club for ages. they have made their brands one of the best in Sports and have done this over the last 10 years. Arsenal board and its manager are playing the fans for fools. Until we are clear about the true financial position of our club then we would keep speculating and hyperventilating.

    but ask urself why would an american and a russian bussinessman be ‘fighting’ to gain control of a club in serious financial calamity?

  76. London says:

    Francise

    You are preaching to the converted. But those figures from Chipo are tiny when you consider that it was the owners of City who lent money to Barclays bank last year to keep them solvent and then sold their shares in May at a I.5 billion profit.

    So I repeat again, if we put in an offer for a player like Arshavin we have to wait to see if City are going to come in and make a higher offer. This is not acting like the owners of a sweet shop it is called running a business within it’s means.

  77. peachesgooner says:

    I was at a meeting at Highbury used to announce how the the building of the new stadium was to be financed and what the effect would be on the football.

    It seemed to me at the time – in the middle of a property boom – that it wasn’t a huge return for the investment…….

  78. London says:

    Franchise

    No one on this channel thinks that Arsenal is a financial clamity it would help if you saw the distinction.

    Peaches

    I think the figures were much higher than 25 mil net profit but I agree with your point for what it is worth.

  79. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – I read that about Hleb too – when you think how worried we were about Arsenes state of mind last summer, him saying ridiculous things like going to the Euros with his cheque-book….maybe he wasn’t really paying enough attention to keeping both Hleb and Flamimi…….then Gilberto went too……

  80. London says:

    The stadium will inevitably start showing an effect on the football but it has taken longer than many of us expected.

  81. Rasputin says:

    Franchise,

    I don’t claim to speak for the site, but IMO you are an important contributor. Your comments are very welcome and part of a healthy debate – long may it last 😛

  82. Franchise says:

    if we skint i keep saying sell the deadwood. get the players u need win good trophies and prize money.

    go to zenit make an offer, they say no, make an improved one, they say no. move on to target B. who is most definitely cheaper

    oh we are skint yet we sign a 16 yr old from Wales for £5m when we needed a proper ready DM to challenge

    Everton cant compete but u can see the intelligent moves Moyes makes.

    it dont add up. we aint skint, we aint rich. we are just a club that has been badly run since 2004.

    judge me in May, In May judge me in 2 years 😯

    Even Matuidi is all rumour no official contact has been made. Wenger is truly not close to signing any1.

    And they wonder why they cant fill the executive boxes

    Rant Over. 🙂

  83. avenell says:

    We have always lived in the finacial shadow of Man U .. I can remember all those years ago they cherry picked Ray Wilkins, Neil Webb, Brian Robson the list is endless..

    But we were miles behind in the old days no richer than the Spuds or the Spammers.. now we are catching up fast..

    Man U would still have debts of £250 million even though the Glaziers unloaded their debts into the club. But they were the biggest club in the world so financing there debt is easier.

    One thing for sure is no debt is a better way in the end. and that is what I think we are trying to achieve, long term stability without dropping too far from the top..

  84. avenell says:

    Oh and Frank Stapleton..

  85. London says:

    Franchise

    Who on this channel has said we are short of money?

  86. peachesgooner says:

    Fran – why do you think Kroenke and Usmanov are fighting to gain control of the club……

    Surely its because they can see the benefits for their pockets of being at the helm….

  87. Franchise says:

    no one London

    i dont believe we are

    i just cant understand why wenger downplays the importance of quality signings

    i just think he is too obsessed with seeing this ‘project’ through

    arrrrgggghhhhhhhh

  88. peachesgooner says:

    So, we’re back to project youth…… 🙂

  89. avenell says:

    I don’t think many teams have as much money as appears.. it’s just how far in debt they are prepared to go..

    The man with the Merc may look richer, but if has it on the knock he is poorer than the man who borrowed nothing.. Confusedshush..

  90. peachesgooner says:

    He bought Arshavin didn’t he…….

  91. avenell says:

    But if that Merc gets that man better contracts and a better sense of well being, then that is the balance between borrowing or not..

  92. Franchise says:

    peaches u 100% right

    ‘I would spend on the right player’

    well probably cos u get too scientific sometimes u get things wrong

    its scary to think about players like walcott, diaby, senderos, djourou etc that have been at the club for a few years and yet to achieve half of their ‘potential’

    is it this that wenger is waiting for? how many clubs do 6 or more fringe players break through in the same year?

    how hard is it to sign a DM for Christ sake? they dont have to be flair players or do they

  93. London says:

    Franchise

    You claim we have been badly run since 2004, It was around that time that Abramovich took over Chelsea forcing us to take a completely different approach to the transfer market. That is not acting badly, that is surviving under more difficult circumstances.

  94. peachesgooner says:

    Well said ave – no point in spending money we havn’t got……..

    If Ade had gone last summer we may well have got Alonso and Arshavin……

    Lets blame Ade for everything….

  95. Franchise says:

    Peaches we had to loose FAbregas for 3 months and be 6 points behind Villa for Wenger to sanction a move for Arshavin.

    A good source told me that we still paid almost as much as we did in January than we would have done in the summer.

    those 4 weeks of negotiations didnt reduce his asking price. we still paid roughly what zenit wanted on Jan 1st

  96. London says:

    If it is scary to think about players like (walcott, diaby, senderos, djourou) then don’t, think about player like Fabregas, Rosicky, Arshavin, Nasri

  97. peachesgooner says:

    Do you think it was Cescs injury that forced AW to change his mind on buying AA……

    I think it rumbled on from the summer and he was always going to sign him in Jan…..

    Agree London – blame Abramovitch……

  98. Franchise says:

    London u dont break ur invisibles team cos Abrahamovich turns up

    Now that we have several Abrahamovich’s do we do the same or probably more intensively?

    Bad management IMO. loosing hleb and flam same. risking last season hopes on ed and rosicky’s return same

    refusing to sign quality players like alonso for 16m bad management

    i just hope that if things started as bad as they did last year that the board have the balls to amicably split ways with wenger end of next season that is if their hands are clean

    ive got no badges but i can see clearly where we are going wrong

  99. peachesgooner says:

    Cescs injury was in December Franchise we were already so too far behind……

    Our first 10 games were mouthwateringly good – we should have been streets ahead of our closest rivals instead we dropped points to FULHAM in our 2nd game and never really recovered……I have to blame Ade for that I’m afraid…….

  100. JonJon says:

    we arent skint….

    we are just reluctant to spend all of what we do have….

    thing for me is…i know we need to get rid of this debt….but if the club can borrow all those millions to build a new stadium…surely 30mil on a couple of players wont go amiss…

    AA already paid back what we paid for him by getting us bak into 4th

    speculate to accumulate

  101. Franchise says:

    peaches blame Ade??? lol

    we played eboue and denilson in central midfield against fulham

    even Song wasnt available to be picked he was at the Olympics

    which manager starts a season with a handicap cos he wants to sign a DM on the cheap on Sep 1st??

    i maintain that if we signed Alonso in Sept we might not have needed the russian in Jan

  102. JonJon says:

    hahaha

    yes peaches i blame ade too…

  103. Franchise says:

    ‘i know why we lost the league we were a bit soft against the ball in the middle’

    who did he sign? Silvestre

    😀

  104. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon – I’m not sure that AA got us back into fourth, I reckon Villas collapse had a lot more to do with us finishing fourth although I admire your romantic idea 🙂

  105. JonJon says:

    denilson was run ragged by murphy in that fulham game…

    the signs were there from then on what our midfeild was going to be like for the rest of the season

  106. peachesgooner says:

    That Fulham game was such dross – did he really play eboue and denilson in mid-field aarrrrrgggggghhhhhh

  107. Franchise says:

    JJ if the central midfield was any balanced Ade, Cesc, NAsri etc would have looked better in the first half of the season

    we had to sacrifice points in denilson and song’s quest to get to speed

    they/we still fell short exam time

  108. JonJon says:

    peaches…villa did indeed collapse

    but we couldnt score…..its no good the other team droppin points if you are too

    he kickstarted the revival…rejuvinated the squad..gave us fresh hope..

    and more importantly a shit load of goals and assists…

  109. London says:

    Jonjon

    There is such a shortage of talent out there that spending this 30 mil that is rapidly reaching mythical status is not the answer.

    The mancs easily have 30 mil to spend but they couldn’t keep Tevez because they knew that no matter what they offered City would have offered more.

  110. avenell says:

    Franchise…
    Arshavins price never went down from the start of the transfer window to the end… But the point is it never went up.. no doubt Arshavins agent and Zenit were trying to bring the big boys in to up the auction so ywaited until last knockin’s .. So in the end we got him..

    We all seem to be arguing agaist you but I agree with some of your points, good debate buddy..

  111. Rasputin says:

    Sylvestre was the single most disappointing signing we have ever made. It failed on all counts. He added nothing to the side. He has no transfer value. He was a manu reject – remember what they did to us in the CL semi!!! It made us look like a laughing stock. It looks like we’re going to pay his wages for another year – why oh why. We let Bobby go for the sake of a year or two on his contract, but we’re holding on to Sylvestre…. words fail me….rant over 👿

  112. Franchise says:

    if we were skint we could have gotten Torsten Frings for the short term to fill in DM and hope Diaby, Song learns from him

    Inter just signed Lucio…. that sort of thing

    Gilberto who was never lightning quick any way had to go but why not replace him…. flamini and diarra

    i really thought things would be different this summer. im running out of patience or should i say ive run out of patience 🙂

  113. London says:

    Yeah Franchise

    I do agree with Ave it might seem as though we are arguing against you but it is a very interesting discussion.

  114. JonJon says:

    my point about AA can also highlighted by the fact we improved in the league but were still crap in CL and when he didnt play V chelsea in the FA….

    he was the spark…without him we were a dull side…

  115. Franchise says:

    guys we took the risk with arshavin and it paid off. if another top club came in we would have lost him for definite that is how low we have sunk.

    we do succeed in persuading the younger players to join us cos we offer them better wages (sometime 1st team footie)

    we are the abrahamovich’s of youth football then :mrgreen:

  116. Franchise says:

    im too aggressive in my delivery i know 😀 i didnt think u were all argiuing with me anyways. Good debate

  117. JonJon says:

    london

    we got AA for 15mil…

    the talent is out there…there are better players out there than denilson and walcott and diaby we could get for less than 15mil and they would sign terms….

    we just dont get them becuase wenger wants to develop what hes got….

  118. JonJon says:

    im not arguing with franchise….

    im more on his side i reckon.. 😉

    no fence sitters today…. HAVE IT…. 😉

  119. peachesgooner says:

    Fran – I agree with you totally about the poor decisions in the selling of the mid-field – Diarra was going to be trouble, Gilberto wanted first team football and we didn’t have deep enough pockets to keep Flamini – makes the option to wait till the last minute for Alonso a very strange one…….

  120. avenell says:

    I have no problem with the aggression, it shows passion..

    If another club came in for Arshavin we would have upped our price to the maximum that we thought he was worth.. it is easy to say things now, but at the time he may not have paid off, he was a gamble, like the one the spuds took and there’s didn’t..

  121. London says:

    I can’t believe we are doing the Silvestre thing again.

    Small steps people, small steps

    Let’s start at the beginning

    1 Senderos asks to leave and goes to Milan late in the transfer window leaving very little time for Wenger to act. The only player out there with any kind of experience (remember that, the thing that everyone was crying out for last season) was Silvestre. Not ideal I agree but understandable under difficult circumstances.

    What is the first thing Wenger does given the time this window? Buys a left footed defender.

  122. London says:

    Diara made Adebayor look like angel when it came to disruption.

  123. Franchise says:

    London no no

    Wenger was going to sign a CB b4 Senderos left. Senderos was amongst the CBs that wenger concluded were soft in dealing with the high ball

    senderos had a nervous breakdown afetr Liverpool if u remember

    Senderos wasnt meant to be the CB that was going to address our softness with the ball down the middle

    Wenger said his scouts couldnt find a CB claiming there was a shortage of CB (Oh Arsene) and he even cited the loan move of Senderos by AC MIlan as proof 🙂

    Silvestre was just a stupid signing anyhow u look at it

  124. peachesgooner says:

    Agree about Diarra London, strange that AW took him off the chavs hands in the first place……..

    Did Senderos ask to leave – who arranges a loan deal…..Milan must have been interested in him to take him on loan……

  125. avenell says:

    Franchise.. coo eee.. he is over here ..lol

  126. London says:

    I think we need to differentiate between things that went wrong in the last transfer window and what is happening now.

    I think it is correct to say that collectively we all agree that Wenger did not cover himself in glory in last summer’s transfer window but personally I feel that it is a bit early to be critical before this window has closed.

  127. peachesgooner says:

    Theres a shortage of experienced CB’s cos we’ve got them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  128. avenell says:

    I wouldn’t mind the profit we made out of the Diarra deal in my pocket..
    If we done that a bit more we could be the Arfur Daley of the football world.. and keep players down at the lock up..

  129. Franchise says:

    lol avenell

    u need to put some coloured highlights on ur page they are too similar

  130. London says:

    Peaches

    Wenger was gloating about the price he paid for him 2 mil or something ridiculously cheap like that. he must have known that at the very worst he would be able to sell him at a healthy profit.

    Milan could have only known if Senderos made it public

  131. London says:

    You may be right Franchise about Senderos; I, of course, have no way of being sure.

    I just didn’t think he was a bad signing when he scored at home against spuds.

  132. kelsey says:

    Really good debate,
    other channels could learn a lot from this.Disagree,argue your point but no abuse.

    Senderos was highly rated by AW,in fact once quoted as a future captain.I am not sure about his status at the club now, or more to the point does he want to stay or does AW want him sold ?

    The Man city owners, as I said the other day make the russians look like paupers,so even if we were taken over by either of the main shareholders,we still couldn’t compete for the very best talent.

    Having said that there are only a limited amount of players available.

    Our national team is a very good example,supposedly the best individual world class players,but as a team have fallen short for decades.

    my other concern is that another part of the Dubai or saudi family will come along and buy another PL.it becomes monopoly until hopefully one day it all goes bang.

    We need more of a level playing field and a wage cap structure,but i doubt it will happen in the near future.

  133. Franchise says:

    true london

  134. avenell says:

    To me Senderos is like a dart player or golfer..

    you can hit 180’s all day long in the pub, but as soon as Phil Taylor is in the opposite corner at lakeside your bum goes..

  135. peachesgooner says:

    London – we have no choice but to sit and wait to see what happens…..

    He does have about £25m to spend though so if he doesn’t spend it I think we as supporters can feel a bit miffed as we’ve swallowed his financial restraints for the last years……..

  136. London says:

    A more earthy explanation from Ave…..and yet so true lol

  137. Franchise says:

    some guy on another channel 😉 says we got £2m from Barca as add on in the Hleb deal cos they won the league

    dont know how true it is though

    does it make any sense that we are intentionally jeopardizing our chances to win anything in order to avoid paying extra add ons???? Conspiracy Theory 1

    u heard it here first 😀

  138. London says:

    Peaches

    We are having one of those mornings in which we agree with each other. I promise I will try harder tomorrow lol

    I believe Wenger will act before the close of the transfer window.

    I loved your analogy of him scouring the French clubs but now the cupboards are bare.

  139. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry London – tell me again how AW had a cunning plan for Ade to deliberately be off-side that should do it 😀 😀 😀

  140. London says:

    Peaches

    It’s funny you should say that I was trying to write a head line post which included that in it yesterday, in fact I might put a bit more work into it lol

  141. peachesgooner says:

    Franchise – did you get lost fraternising somewhere else 😆

  142. peachesgooner says:

    London – you are funny 😀

  143. avenell says:

    London… “I fought the offside law, but the offside law won..” go for it.. lol..

  144. London says:

    Yeah

    It makes complete sense that if it wasn’t for the add ons we have to pay we would have won the CL for the last four years. I despair.

  145. Franchise says:

    i did peaches 😀

  146. peachesgooner says:

    ave 😛

  147. peachesgooner says:

    Franchise – I’ll go along with most conspiracy theories but I’m not having that one I’m afraid – thats a load of tosh IMO

  148. Franchise says:

    so u believe elvis is still in the building 🙂

  149. Franchise says:

    Aliens killed JFK

  150. avenell says:

    David Bentley has always been a Spud fan..

  151. Franchise says:

    i think Peter Andre broke up with Jordan at the time he did so that his new single would get some air play and sympathy 😉

  152. peachesgooner says:

    Absolutely – put me down for the lot 🙂

  153. JonJon says:

    elvis is working in asda….

    tomas rosicky was stacking shelves with him for he past 18months

  154. avenell says:

    Anyone know what nasri has done??

    He has been injured in training and taken to hospital for tests.. SSN..

  155. Irishgunner says:

    Afternoon all,

    That took a while to catch up on, phew!

    Franchise – Agreed, I’d be pissed if a Flamini-type player doesn’t come in before the window shuts and there was something else I agreed with you on but can’t remember now it took so long to get to the end ha ha

    I’m not a firm believer in project youth, I think its more “project we will buy them even if they are crocks cos they are cheap and hope for the best and if they get injured we will believe in the younger players”

    Avenell – What’s this about Nasri?

  156. avenell says:

    Irish.. poss knee ligament damage.. 😦

  157. peachesgooner says:

    Ave – you only knew that cos you looked at the poor shhhh you know who story 🙂

  158. Irishgunner says:

    Flip it anyway – that’ll be a few months 😦

    Deja Vu

  159. avenell says:

    Not the first bit Peaches that’s on SSN.. I am searching everywhere tbh..

  160. peachesgooner says:

    Hi Irish – have you been looking at flights with stop-overs in North London 🙂

  161. avenell says:

    SSN just said they don’t know what the injury is or how long he will be out for..

    That’s the most official version I can find..

  162. Irishgunner says:

    Ha ha Peaches – we were sorting out visas, one of our party is doing a course which will go on till the end of September so we will be going then.

    I have suggested London as a stop over 😉

  163. JonJon says:

    FFS serious???

    that means walcott will be starting again on the right… 😦

  164. avenell says:

    It doesn’t sound good whatever he has done..

    http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/23671/Nasri_taken_to_hospital_after_injury.aspx

    I’m out for a bit seeya..

  165. JonJon says:

    thats it

    ive officially decided its nothing to do with bad luck

    wengers smashed a mirror or something cos we are cursed

  166. Franchise says:

    fractured right fibula

  167. JonJon says:

    2-3 months??

  168. Franchise says:

    those are John Terry estimates JonJon. this is an arsenal player we talking about here

  169. JonJon says:

    thats done it for me..

    ive decided lets take hleb back

  170. JonJon says:

    or even reyes

  171. Irishgunner says:

    Feck sakes 😦

    Every summer ……

    Bring out le cheque book

  172. kelsey says:

    it’s actually on arse.com.

    3 months and waiting,knowing our medical staff they will plaster the wrong leg and find out 2 months later.

  173. Irishgunner says:

    Well that just went and ruined my day, we’ve a hard start too.

  174. Rasputin says:

    I don’t need a history lesson on the purchase of Sylvestre……. it was wrong, unsuccessful and the other factors offered for justification ignore the fact that the club was too slow and did not have sufficient back up … no need to tell me slowly 😉

    Nasri ….. aaaarrrggghhhh!!!!! … has it started already. What did we do to suffer the curse of the injured players

  175. JonJon says:

    im serious…

    nasri…out til xmas lets say
    eboue…a clown
    walcott..cant play wengerball
    diaby ….crap

    leaves AA and rosicky as only decent wide men and one of them is dodgy….

    lets just bring hleb back…

    sod the ice cream…

    5th year without silverware???

    knows wengerball
    knows arsene
    knows arsenal and PL
    available on the cheap
    sorry he left

    pride or trophies???

    bring back hleb

  176. Irishgunner says:

    Apparently it was a tackle from Diaby…

  177. Irishgunner says:

    Could we get him on a one-year loan Jon Jon?

  178. Rasputin says:

    Diaby’s a clumsy leg breaking bastard – last time it wasn’t one of our players….. we should sell him for this alone…

    JonJon – here’s a better idea, bring back Hleb and Flamini…. 🙂

    Never gonna happen, but an awful lot of folks would ave to eat their words if it did 👿

  179. JonJon says:

    is that true… diaby did it????

    arrrrrggggghhhhh….its called training for a reason you cock…

    i wouldnt mind but he cant tackle anyway so why they letting him loose in training???

    do it to their players you dick not your own…

    my patience is wearing thin with him…

  180. Irishgunner says:

    Its only Arsenal Insider that reported it was Diaby, are they good or bad? I don’t read them.

    The link is broken now too.

  181. JonJon says:

    yeah guys

    both flamini and hleb back on loan…

    id take that all day long

  182. Irishgunner says:

    Jon Jon I’m robbing your opinion on Hleb for an article – hope you don’t mind?

  183. JonJon says:

    not at all my dear….

  184. JonJon says:

    as long as you give avenell rd a shout out….. 😆

  185. Irishgunner says:

    Thank you 🙂

    I’ll link when I’m done

  186. London says:

    Well if it wasn’t Diaby then we certainly have just got conformation who the next scape goat is. It is so Arsenal; we are never happy unless we have an Arsenal player to hate.

  187. JonJon says:

    i like diaby london….

    when he injured…!! 😉

  188. London says:

    Yeah Rasp

    I take your point it did come across a bit patronising…I apologise.

  189. London says:

    I always knew Nasri was a crock we should never have bought him

  190. London says:

    I blame Wenger he should have known, he had plenty of time to avoid this happening, get the cheque book out Wenger you tight wad.

  191. Rasputin says:

    I’ve been wanting to sell Diaby for a long time irrespective of how many fellow players he’s assaulted …. if he’d had any decency he’d have broken Ade’s leg for us 🙂

  192. JonJon says:

    LMAO its ades fault…

  193. Rasputin says:

    Nice article Irish ….. email to AW for me will you? 😛

  194. JonJon says:

    very nice irish….

    good stuff…

  195. Irishgunner says:

    Thanks for the idea Jon Jon 😉

  196. JonJon says:

    no worries irish…thanks for the shout..

    does anyone know off the top of their heads whos in the emirates cup??

  197. Irishgunner says:

    Rangers, PSG, Madrid

  198. Irishgunner says:

    We don’t play PSG

  199. JonJon says:

    cheers… forgot…and a friend just text me to ask me….

  200. choy says:

    evening people…

    poor nasri 😦

  201. Irishgunner says:

    Evening Choy – bad news indeed.

  202. London says:

    Can someone tell me who the team we are playing at 5.30 SC Colombia are?

  203. Irishgunner says:

    Here you go London

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/get-to-know…-sc-columbia-floridsdorf

  204. peachesgooner says:

    Here you are London – for once arse.com seem to have all the answers for you

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/get-to-know…-sc-columbia-floridsdorf

  205. peachesgooner says:

    Snap 🙂

  206. choy says:

    hey irish… i think he’s out at least till december…

  207. Irishgunner says:

    November definitely Choy.

    Say its 8-10 weeks in a cast, that takes him up to late September, then he has to build back up strength in his leg and regain fitness.

    November is been kind.

    At least it happened now and not a week before the season started, AW can decide to replace him or not.

  208. choy says:

    Lets see, the options on the left,

    gibbs, arshavin, vela, diaby, traore, wilshere, ramsey.

    I still think we need a defensive player in before that.

  209. Irishgunner says:

    Not Diaby on the left Choy – please God No

  210. choy says:

    😉 heheh i know.. but it is an option

  211. choy says:

    oh shite… i forgot .. we have rosicky who can play there!

  212. Irishgunner says:

    I reckon AW might sell Traore.

    He’ll use Arshavin out on the left wing if needed.

  213. Irishgunner says:

    I wouldn’t be banking on Rosicky to play too many games Choy

  214. choy says:

    yep.. he and nasri were supposed to be challenging each other for that spot and now the pressure is all on rosicky.

  215. Irishgunner says:

    And I was looking forward to seeing Arshavin as a SS 😦

    That’ll be put on hold

  216. Irishgunner says:

    City have told Elano not to come on pre-season duty.

    Do we need someone on the right wing?

  217. choy says:

    😦

  218. kelsey says:

    Hi choy, nice to see you.

    Irish, nice article.it really is ironic if diaby caused the break,but to come to think of it,it doesn’t surprise me because he can’t tackle properly,if you get my drift.

    Seriously,we do have a problem now.Too many IFS.

    Will eduardo be fit, will Rosicky have to come into the side earlier than the anticipated autumn,which usually is the kiss of death.

    We won’t buy a replacement i expect Ramsey to start more often,especially as our first 4 games are a piece of cake(cough)

  219. avenell says:

    Right I’m back..

    Wasn’t it Diaby who banged out a Madrid players knee ligaments in the Emirates cup last year?..

  220. kelsey says:

    Oh god,

    what a cock up by Almunia.

    Hold on 10 secs later 1-1 bedntner

  221. kelsey says:

    Diaby has now broken 3 players legs.

  222. kelsey says:

    1-2 Ramsey

    Nasri will be our new signing 😉

  223. kelsey says:

    1-3 bedntner,great pass from ramsey. just read this team is 8th in the 4th division in austria.

  224. Evo in Oz says:

    gday all,

    great post Ave, makes good sense buddy!

    despite it being 03:25am here, its still enjoyable to see how the players go in terms of preparation in these training games!

  225. kelsey says:

    any news about vela.i read he was out initially for 6/8 weeks now i read he is ok.any confirmation.

    no eduardo on the bench today either.

  226. kelsey says:

    Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooo
    oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  227. Evo in Oz says:

    not sure kelsey, i heard he was going to play for mexico in the concaf in the last game but i didnt hear the outcome….

  228. JonJon says:

    hi kelsey

    is it just me or are we playing a 4141??

    hey evo..thats dedication mate…hats of to ya

  229. JonJon says:

    bloody hell senderos and traore are playing…maybe wenger has plans for them this season???

    still no kolo though???

    maybe its him thats off not big phil??

  230. JonJon says:

    and robins injured already..

  231. JonJon says:

    my mistake kolos on too…

  232. London says:

    We’re saved Senderos is playing DM

  233. avenell says:

    Sell Rosicky then..lol.

  234. JonJon says:

    lol

    i know whats that about???

  235. Evo in Oz says:

    this is the 2nd half set up

    —–Szczesny———
    Sagna-Toure-Gallas-Traore
    —–Senderos-Denilson—-
    Eboue—–Song—–Arshavin
    ——-RVP——

    something like this

  236. peachesgooner says:

    What????????? I thought it was 7.30 ko aaarrrrrggggghhhhh

  237. Evo in Oz says:

    1730 peaches

  238. peachesgooner says:

    Ah well that would explain why I’ve totally missed it 😦

  239. Evo in Oz says:

    u can still watch these last 25 mins

  240. JonJon says:

    im sorry i know its only pre season but eboue just doesnt change… lol

  241. avenell says:

    When the big hand is on the 6 and the ickle hand is on the 5.. 😉

    Peaches are you about??

  242. avenell says:

    Someone needs to teach Sagna how to cross..

  243. Evo in Oz says:

    took a deflection onto RVPs head, not too bad thou

  244. avenell says:

    Unreal isn’t it a Rvp header.. 6’tall a rare moment..

  245. avenell says:

    Who is this new Sen Dareross geezer?

  246. Evo in Oz says:

    he only scores headers for holland for some reason, good stuff thou!

  247. kelsey says:

    funny i thought the same ade

    send dear ross i thought.

  248. avenell says:

    Not sure about Ramsey yet.. gives the ball away too easy..

  249. Evo in Oz says:

    spoke too soon ave – great goal

  250. avenell says:

    Haha now he has scored.. shut up Ave..lol

  251. avenell says:

    Kelsey… and Arsharrrrvin??

  252. JonJon says:

    hes our new signing ave

    CB from milan..

    smashing goal from ramsey…

    ramsey or jacky to replace nasri???

  253. kelsey says:

    i called you ade,ave. 🙂

    send dare ross is the one

  254. avenell says:

    Yeah I know.. no abuse on this site Kelsey.. 😉

  255. kelsey says:

    88 minutes on the clock,has the ref got a date ?

  256. avenell says:

    The referees Tag Heuer has gone titso..

  257. avenell says:

    30 goals next season.. go for it for a laugh..

    They will be parrot sick..lol

  258. Evo in Oz says:

    back to bed for me catch u a bit later on

  259. London says:

    Did I hear Wenger say that Eduardo will be back before November?

  260. avenell says:

    Night Evo..

    London.. He said September didn’t he?
    Mind you he may of got that wrong before..

  261. JonJon says:

    ok ok…

    so eddie and nasri arent gonna be ready for the start of the season when the manager says himself we need to get off to a blinding start…

    he has to dip into the transfer market…i dont want to hear the excuse that we had players missing or we were trying kids in certain positions…

    something has to be done…it involves the cheque book…

  262. avenell says:

    It’s a difficult blinding start though Jonjon..

  263. avenell says:

    If we can get 12 points from the first 6 games that would be a good start, considering the opposition..

  264. raif says:

    hello my fellow furniture lovers

  265. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    15 points from the 1st 6 games. You know how sometimes a figure sticks in your head, well 15 points is ringing as loud as Big Ben in mine.

    And also I can here “Same old Arsenal taking the piss” 😆

  266. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Nasri has a broken leg, forget the 15 points 😦

  267. avenell says:

    Raif me old chippendale..

    Gnarley just for you.. of course on such a night.. shame about Samir though.. 😦

  268. avenell says:

    Right guys I have to do some work tomorrow so I’m hitting the sack..

    Goodnight..

  269. JonJon says:

    hi GG..bad news that aint it???? plenty of pre season left though for wenger to decide what to do..

    lets hope it includes the equation chequebook+transfer market=new player…..

    was never any good at maths but i think thats right..

    hey raif good buddy…..

    any news on Le Hunter Du Klass.???? ive been following his movements for the last few days now…

    i lost track of him on the spanish border..he was rumoured to be last seen in the wilderness of germany wearing a stutgart kit and signing a dotted line…….

    lets hope hes just throwing me a kipper…getting me off his scent so he can continue on his quest to the emirates!!!!

    but i dont get it raif….all he needs to do is ask and i’ll carry him back myself….

    ive already got hleb and im on my way to pick up flamini….theres room for another.. 😉

  270. raif says:

    i heard he has signd for the Germans aswell JonJ.. i pray he hasnt.. what a way to wash ur football career down the drain..

    the only news i have heard is that we are looking at “Gasp” Roman Pavlyuchenko !!!!!!!!! :s :$ :£

  271. JonJon says:

    i cant see us getting a spurs player now raif…

    we got sol cos he was class and he was free….

    the players they have now would cost money and they all shite… 😉

  272. raif says:

    exactly.. rumor has it that Harry offerd him to us for 6mil??

    if rumors are to be believed

  273. JonJon says:

    http://www.tribalfootball.com/arsenal-spurs-frame-real-madrids-huntelaar-pulls-out-stuttgart-talks-258531

    quick raif….

    get the passports and the camper van ready….weve a missing dutchman to find….last seen in the german wilderess NOT signing on the dots!!!!

  274. raif says:

    deal fallen through.. thats a good sign and a good chance to grab him.

    but it also could be a chance for our prem rivals to nab him

  275. JonJon says:

    raif…

    chelsea dont need him…they got anelka and dogshit..
    manure have owen and rooney and berbatoss..
    citeh have 9 strikers….

    the only teams i can see being able to afford him are us, pool and the spuds….maybe villa

    if we cant compete with those teams financially and offer him a better offer theres something definately wrong at ts club….

  276. raif says:

    i think there is somthing wrong JonJ mate thats the problem..

    im already reading Wengers looking to fill ADES Boots from within the club

  277. London says:

    Morning all

    Are we sure that Pavlyuchenco is a bad option? Or is it just clouded by the fact that he is a spud?

    I have always been worried about that Huntelaar deal, his price is in spud range.

  278. JonJon says:

    i dont mind if he doesnt get a new striker really raif…

    i think the midfield needs looking at first….

    but when theres a top international 1 goal every 1.25 game striker roaming round the wilderness looking for a club and is available for less than 20mil…i think its hard to say no….

  279. JonJon says:

    hi london buddy…

    nah its not just that hes a spud….but hes also shit…

    huntelaars price is in our range too london…

    if the reason we dont sign him is cos we cant afford him i will shake my head in disbeleif

  280. London says:

    Wenger must have known that Greedy was going to leave ages ago and has had plenty of time to work out what to do.

    I do expect him to add to the squad especially as he has stated that Eduardo will not be available for the start of the season; he is not as stupid as some try and make out; he would have worked out that one injury to Bendner, like Nasri yesterday, and we are fucked, excuse my Anglo Saxon.

    I gave, and still do give, Wenger a lot of lee way when it came to the last minute departure of Senderos last season and the need to grab a replacement from limited availability, in that case it was in the form of Silvestre. But no such time restrictions are upon him now and I for one will not forgive him if he doesn’t act; we need more attacking options and we need them before the start of the season.

  281. London says:

    Morning Jonjon

    That was a sort of mini rant, a morning throat clearer

  282. raif says:

    Huntelaars a better option then Roman,, i think Romans shit and the fact his a spud makes it worse.

    there isnt many chances or opportunities to get a striker with a strike rate on the market without having to pay that extra premirum..

  283. JonJon says:

    i agree london i think wenger had ades depature planned months ago…

    i have a theory…

    robin said he wanted the club to show some ambition before he put pen to paper….

    he signed…and turned down much larger offers form other clubs..why???

    1….we told him there was going to be a major signing and i dont think vera lynnes it….

    2…he hated ade…he wanted him gone…robin signs ade goes….

  284. London says:

    Jonjon

    Not bad, I like it, I can see you are wavering between we need another striker and we should promote from within….one injury to Bendtner and a whole raft of Anglo Saxon expletives later and our title challenge is over. He must add to the attack.

  285. JonJon says:

    london

    im going to use one of wengers favorite quotes…

    we should only sign someone whos going to be better than what we already have….

    IMO

    AA worth 25mil
    rvp worth 20mil
    nikkis and dudu both worth 15mil (if darren bent was 16 i dont see why not!!!!! 😉 )

    so if we are going to sign a new striker we have to part with alot of cash….

    i dont see the point of a chamkakaakaka or a pavlychenko……they wont improve us….

    huntelaar will….

    but if we aint targeting someone like hunter then there is no point wasting some of the kitty on an unknown

    weve got 25mil….and we have a shitload of CB’s

    so the new priorities for me under the circumstances are a midfield destroyer…ala flamini….and a wide attacker…ala hleb..

    we have the money and plenty of time…lets get it sorted….no excuses

  286. kelsey says:

    Morning all,

    according to the bible of our club,there are no injury reported.
    A few question then.

    Where is Clichy,since he did his back in.

    Apparently Fabianski is out until mid September.

    unfortunately,we know about Nasri.

    Eduardo has to come through The Emirates Cup games,before we can assess him.

    Senderos,is he staying or going.AW has said he is leaving it up to him,whatever that means.

    Mixed reports about Vela who either fractured a bone or splintered one in his ankle.AW said not available until end of September.

    Could either Toure or Gallas leave.

    So much uncertainty,so little time.

  287. JonJon says:

    i agree kelsey….theres alot of doubts still hanging over my head about how much our squad is ready…

    i dont want to see last minute deals…

    we need the squad to be ready and settled before the first game of the season…

  288. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    I have a theory too.(don’t want to be left out)

    RvP wouldn’t sign his contract until the club showed some amdition, we haven’t seen any yet so he has been promised more players will be coming in, or would he be happy if one was his Holland team mate??
    Also on Talk shite this morning the Pompey manager, said Crouch is definatly going, he turned down Sunderland.. I reckon he is destined to the Spuds if Pav leaves..

  289. kelsey says:

    I agree as well,

    with Ade gone, I think RVP got some sort of assurance that we would replace him,even though if we can only make one signing i would prefer a commanding defensive midfielder.i still think there is a chance on huntelaar,as he is delaying his move to Stuttgart.

  290. raif says:

    Or another theory…

    Wenger makes RvP beleive his own hype by insisting this team is good enough to challange.

    and Project youth is still the way to go.. Blah Balh Blah

  291. avenell says:

    Morning Kelsey..

    good news boys and girls.. I’ve just scrolled up and the old smilies are back.. 🙂

    How sad am I? 😳 had to do that one lol..

  292. avenell says:

    Alright raif.. I can’t see that RvP has had 4 years, he won’t be fooled again..

  293. JonJon says:

    hi ave….

    raif have you been blogging wth BBK alot recently?? 😆

  294. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters,

    I don’t agree re RVP and the contract thing! Top strikers would not insist that the club will sign another top striker to rival them before they sign a new contract – they’re more likely to demand the opposite. All top strikers are selfish egomaniacs, it has to be part of their makeup.

  295. raif says:

    Hey Hey Ave..

    i agree about Rvp not being fooled, or fooled again,,

    but dont underestimate the power of Arsene’s Jedi Mind Tricks

  296. raif says:

    JonJ.. BBK? Boy Better Know?

    only the other night if i remember right

  297. avenell says:

    Morning Rasp..

    Even if Arsene said “Look Robin Lazybones is off and we will try to sign your best mate from Holland”

    Raif.. he may say we did try, but they was too dear.. honest”

  298. JonJon says:

    hi rasp…

    so your with me on theory no. 2 then???

  299. Rasputin says:

    Morning ave,

    With Nasri and DuDu out for a while now, I think we need to sign a striker and a midfielder. I am already getting the same sinking feeling I did last summer – I’m not at all confident that he will sign anyone. We have a much harder start to the season than in recent years, but that may be a good thing as we’ve actually lost to poor sides and dropped points early on.

  300. raif says:

    DuDu is going to be Rosicky 2.0

  301. JonJon says:

    hes gonna sign rasp….

    its 5 years without silverware…he knows the fans are unsettled from last year..the arsene knows crowd are declining in numbers

    hes just made 25 mil and whatever else we have in the kitty…

    he cant justify not spending that….

    its like franchise said yesterday…we are the team in the top 4 that should be the most proactive in the tranfer market….

    hes gonna spend…hes gotta spend

  302. avenell says:

    I’m having a good feeling this summer.. Last year we lost two of our best players… Okay we got Nasri.. but I was still gutted.. also Ade was pissing me off.

    This year we have lost the bad influence, signed a promising CB, we have Arshavin for all competitions.. At least we know Dudu and Rosicky will play again.. it’s all good.. anything on top will be icing on the cake..

  303. avenell says:

    Off course Nasri is a downer.. 😦
    But he should be back by October..

  304. kelsey says:

    Word of warning.I have heard that the far right Chelsea fans are ganging up with the Rangers fans for our match in The Emirates Cup,and trouble is expected.Those going,kindly be alert.

  305. JonJon says:

    cheers for the heads up kelsey….

    i wasnt going but i am now… ave you coming??? 😉

  306. JonJon says:

    ive got a good feeling too…

    ade was a bonus..we just need to move abit quicker

  307. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    😆 😆 😆

    😳 all my favourites are back 🙂 😉 😛

  308. JonJon says:

    hahaha
    hiya peaches….

  309. avenell says:

    Haha no mate.. I doubt Rangers are interested in us we don’t have a firm now do we??.. They are more interested in getting pissed and smashing the pubs up..

    And throwing empty McEwan cans at anyone who turns up on a pushbike.. 😉

  310. peachesgooner says:

    ave – you know that thing we looked at yesterday…..I have a theory that could be tested if you fancy using the offending word – obviously I can’t as I’m a lady…….

    Its the word that kelsey used when describing Almunias mistake…..begins with c ends in k…..has a spud reference 😳

  311. kelsey says:

    I am organizing our side from down here on the costas.I am better at delegating at my age 😉

  312. peachesgooner says:

    Morning kelsey – how are you 🙂

  313. avenell says:

    Wake up Irish.. Cock a doodle do.. 😉

    how was that? lol..

  314. kelsey says:

    Lady peaches,

    no coded messages on here please,it might frighten people away.

    If you looked at it yesterday it may well be a clock.:)

  315. avenell says:

    Hey, hey, diddle hum day, aye, aye, aye..

  316. peachesgooner says:

    I don’t think that’ll work cos we often use it that way….rasp and rico greet each other like that sometimes don’t they.

  317. avenell says:

    So I made a cock up then.. 😎

    Don’t forget I wrote the post so I can say what I want..

  318. peachesgooner says:

    Doesn’t matter…..I looked at the site……its awfully rude….. 😳

  319. rico says:

    Hi-De-Hi Roadsters………

    Nice post Ave, Mary Hopkins I do believe, I must tease Rasp later 😉 😉

  320. avenell says:

    RIIIIIICO!!!!!!! hello.. 😉

  321. raif says:

    Rico……!!!!

    Hello Love you been alright

  322. peachesgooner says:

    Hi rico – 🙂

  323. rico says:

    Hi ave and raif, I am real good thanks raif, just had a few busy days but ‘I am back for good’ now – as are the old smileys thank goodness – how are you doing ….

    😛

  324. rico says:

    JJ – Good Morning to you my friend, you have made a little tear appear in my eye 😉

  325. avenell says:

    Jonjon you bully.. making a “lady” cry.. 😥

  326. JonJon says:

    ive missed ya rico

    especially the other day when i said we should sign david villa and everyoe ganged up on me… 😦 😆

  327. peachesgooner says:

    rico – you lucky girl 😉

    What happened to Andrew Ridgely…..

  328. avenell says:

    He lives down this way Peaches.. near Plymouth or Falmouth one of the 2..

  329. rico says:

    ave 😉

    How presumptious of me, JJ may just like a bit of Wham 😉 😉

  330. avenell says:

    He’s a surf bum.. That reminds me I had better do a bit of work..lol

  331. JonJon says:

    im popping out for a bit..gotta have some din dins…

    be back in a short while..

  332. rico says:

    Ok, catch you all in a while, I have to have some lunch too 😛

  333. rico says:

    Hi peaches, i missed your comment earlier sorry 😦

    I have missed you too JJ – and would have right by your side through the Villa discussion 😉 😉

    Oh, and the Barry Manilow evening 😉 😉

  334. Rasputin says:

    Hi rico – what are you going to tease me about?…. I see someone has stolen our special ‘hi-de-hi greeting 🙂

  335. Rasputin says:

    Someone has to be negative around here – you lot are far too optimistic….

    We’re not going to sign anyone else…. AW has already sent out the warning signals. Just two more key injuries and we’ll be worse off than last year. Tomas and Dudu will not be able to play a run of games…..Citeh and toffees will push us down to 6th…. we’ll go out in the CL qualifying round…. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  336. rico says:

    Yo, Rasp – I was going to tease about the artist you referred to with ave’s heading 😉 😉 😉

    And how rude of them, that’s our’s Rasp 😦

    Big Phil appears to be off for sure then, guess Kolo will be staying ?

  337. rico says:

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/359520735?-19387

    mme – now if this happens you will all be so so sad 😉

  338. Rasputin says:

    I can’t see Nik going rico unless they make a ridiculous offer in the region of what Klaas would cost us and only if we were sure we could sign him…..

  339. peachesgooner says:

    What absolute tosh – he hasn’t struggled to establish himself……..

  340. Rasputin says:

    Ithink he has struggled …. but now has established himself and is a very important part of our plans for the coming season. Surely we’d only sell him if we had someone of proven ability in the pipeline that we could afford. It takes some players a couple of seasons to fit in with wengerball = Flamini, Song etc, we can’t afford that delay with any replacement for Nik

  341. raif says:

    nikki b will be sold if they stamp up enough cash.. dont get me wrong i love nikki b and think theres a great striker waiting to jump out of him but if the money is good then i would study it

  342. rico says:

    I don’t think he will go either – Arsene rates him highly, and to be honest if ever there is going to be a season that Nik will shine it will be this one. He has now lost the noose around his neck (ade) and he should be free to play his own way, and not worry about that idiot anymore!

    In fact I reckon Robin will be a better player this season too – actually they all will be….

    Except Eboue 😉 😉

  343. raif says:

    i hope ur right Rico.. Ade was a bit of s dip shit emagine comming to work. hearing this every day

    i dont feel sorry for the man city players tho LMAO

  344. peachesgooner says:

    Whats the connection rico……

  345. rico says:

    Our captain is back peaches, our skipper….

    Skipper aka Skippy in the sports world 😉

  346. rico says:

    And its the Ashes, and Skippy was Australian 😛

  347. avenell says:

    Too much Wolf Blass.. lol.. 😉

  348. rico says:

    Not just yet ave, waiting for the man to come and fix our shower then I am off to the fridge – a friend has been round with chocs and a bottle of fizz too!!

    😛

  349. avenell says:

    Ooh young man, come to fix the shower have you, young man?… Oooh YOUNG MAN..

  350. rico says:

    It may be a young lady Ave, you never know these days……

    Good old ‘Arry 😉

  351. avenell says:

    Over to the Fast Show then..

    “What me here, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, with a girl in my shower room?”

    “With my reputation”…

    I’ll get my coat.. 😉

  352. kelsey says:

    hello rico,

    your house is like my teeth.Always something going wrong 😉

  353. JonJon says:

    “We have to finish speaking about how young we are. We need to play like we are a big and strong team”.

    Andrey Arshavin

  354. kelsey says:

    apparently Mr Wenger speaks 8 languages,but he has trouble getting his weeks and months mixed up.

  355. avenell says:

    “Ye ol’ Jack Wilshere”.. and “The Old man of Arron Ramsey: will be his playing partners.. 😉

  356. rico says:

    Hello again all, sorry I dissapeared, but the shower man turned up, then the doorbell rang, and it wasn’t the postman as it rang once 😉

    kelsey – spot on, but yours is far more painful 😦

  357. rico says:

    JonJon – that is very sad about Reyes, another man who had he been able to stick it out in England would have been turned into a great footballer – he wasn’t far off in any case. We read about Ronaldo, how great he thinks he is, and the 80M he says he is worth… Well, Reyes could have been on a par with him, like Pires in his first 18 months, the physical side to the premiership was hard for him – but he could have overcome that in the same way Bobby did, and I truly believe that had Henry not have scowled at him quite so often, Reyes would still now be a name on the back of many an Arsenal fans shirt….

  358. avenell says:

    It shows that Real Madrid is not always the promised land.. He would have been far better off staying at Arsenal with Arsene’s arm around him..

    There hasn’t been too many success stories when players leave us..

    They could learn a lot off Dennis, one of the richest footballers who played in this country and loyal too..

  359. avenell says:

    Heres a old Times rich list.. you don’t do too bad at THOF…

    1 David Beckham £65m
    2 Dennis Bergkamp £37m
    3 Michael Owen £30m
    4 Robbie Fowler £28m
    5 Alan Shearer £22m
    6= Sol Campbell £20m
    6= Rio Ferdinand £20m
    6= Ryan Giggs £20m
    6= Roy Keane £20m
    10 Thierry Henry £18m

  360. rico says:

    Ave – you know what, I have a tiny feeling that by the end of this week we will have a big name at our club…

    Today, I just feel good about life in general…..

    And we have treated ourselves to a DVD today.. Mama Mia 😛 😛

  361. avenell says:

    Don’t write any posts until you get those songs out of your head..

    “But if you change your mind (I’ll be first in line)” 😉

  362. rico says:

    Ha Ha ave, I will try hard, but today, well its my…

    Waterloo 😛

  363. kelsey says:

    Do you know why DB is so rich ? I do

  364. kelsey says:

    He invested his money wisely and built up a whole portfolio of properties.N

    He still remains my all time favorite player.

  365. London says:

    Hi Kelsey

    Yep, he is still the best we have ever had.

  366. peachesgooner says:

    Hello peeps

    rico you’re radiating warmth and love, whatever has made you feel so good I hope it lasts a long while 🙂

  367. avenell says:

    Cripes .. 😯 we all agree with London… DB10 the best DM we never had..

    Kelsey.. that’s why Robbie Fowler done okay too.. oop norf they sing “we all live in a Robbie Fowler house” lol..

  368. peachesgooner says:

    Hi ave – good news – Nasri will be back in 6 weeks said the boss 😉

  369. JonJon says:

    peaches….

    that could be the managers way of saying im not buying anyone…

    then next summer if we fail wenger can say at the AGM he thought nasri would play 70% of the season and will say when nasri comes back it will be like a new player so he wont buy anyone next year either… 😦 😆

  370. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon – where’s all the positive thinking gone…. 😦

    The thing is we know him so well don’t we, we’ve heard all the excuses before and if he doesn’t buy we’ll be doomed 🙂 before we begin aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh

  371. London says:

    A couple of days ago I wrote a quick list of available strikers: David Villa, Huntelaar, Fabiano, Dzeko but I have just realised that I had forgotten someone……Sergio Aguero: young, quick, more that capable of playing Wengerball and with all the financial heavyweights out the way; Barça will but Villa, this one could be in our price range……I like this idea….puuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

  372. JonJon says:

    aguero…i like him london… well pointed out…..

    peaches i was jesting.. 😉

  373. JonJon says:

    only problem with aguero is london that i think hes got a 40mil release clause and athletico have said on several occasions that he isnt for sale…which means any team that wanted him would have to pay the full whack to even get to talk to him…

    i think that rules us out…. 😦

  374. rico says:

    I have just eaten a lovely loaded three cheese pizza with garlic and the full works coleslaw – just heaven 😉

    peaches – it will, i promise 😛

  375. JonJon says:

    rico that sounds like a jonjon meal… 🙂

    whats happened to your honey glazed roast pork on a bed of horseradish and dandelion salad…

    normally when you describe your meals its like an audition for masterchef….

    pizza??? 😉

  376. avenell says:

    JJ.. not too nice if your a veggie… 😎

  377. rico says:

    JonJon – now you know I don’t eat meat 😉

    Its a day for spoiling myself and the better one, no cooking, no washing up, no nothing 😉

    You again give me a reason to smile 😛

  378. avenell says:

    Rico.. are you pissed yet? I’m going to open a Becks now..

    2U.. cheers.. 🙂

  379. rico says:

    Ave – how observant, you are such a super trooper 😉

  380. JonJon says:

    sorry rico but you know what i meant… 😉 slip of the tongue…

    sounds better than honey glazed roast cabbage.. 😉

    im on my 2nd fosters… 😉

    cheers..

  381. rico says:

    And you told JonJon off for bullying earlier Ave – you are equally as bad 😥

    Thanks ave, I am ‘chink chinking’ my glass right now… Cheers
    🙂

  382. rico says:

    JonJon – for sure I knew, I thought it was a lovely comment – I have worked through a bottle of the stuff that goes bang on opening, and now on my third tin of stella 4%, I am not too fussy 😉 😉

  383. JonJon says:

    go steady rico… 😉

    but you sound happy so keep doing what your doing… 😉

  384. rico says:

    JonJon, Mama Mia, Pizza and alcohol – what more can one want in the middle of the week – its you guys and gals that keep me happy 😉

    I am going to do a post on happiness one day – and i promise not to mention Ken Dodd 😉 😉

    Tomorrow we sign a player…..

  385. JonJon says:

    tomorrow we sign 2 players….

  386. Rasputin says:

    We’re not going to buy anyone 😦

  387. JonJon says:

    i know rasp…

    nasri will be our new signing.. 😆

  388. rico says:

    Sorry you two, I don;t think you are right on this matter – Waltzing and Chamakh will be ours by the end of the transfer market 😉

  389. avenell says:

    We don’t need anyone.. Ade leaving is like a new signing..

  390. JonJon says:

    and we dont need a new striker or cm…

    we have rosicky… 😆

  391. London says:

    You just wait 😉

  392. Rasputin says:

    There is an outside possibility of a ‘small’ surprise in the form of Martins – Newcastle are desperate to lower the wage bill and he could go for as little as £5m

  393. London says:

    I have just read up

    We are going to buy some one, probably two new faces.

  394. Rasputin says:

    We’ve just got rid of someone two-faced 🙂

  395. Rasputin says:

    Who’s it gonna be then London?

  396. rico says:

    Ave – I think you are not far off the mark, his leaving will give a lot of freedom to other players, both mentally and physically……

  397. London says:

    I didn’t realise your were having a doom fest

  398. London says:

    Huntelaar and M Diarra

  399. JonJon says:

    two players will come in….

    as ive said before arsene cannot justify making 25mil and not spending a penny of it…

    how will he get out of that one at the AGM if we have another failed season…. a 5th failed season….

    6 years without the PL…

    he cant…he’ll spend…

  400. London says:

    Although I would prefer Aguero and M Diarra

  401. Rasputin says:

    Not a ‘doomfest’ …. everyone was very positive and it occurred to me that there is no concrete evidence of us actually making a move for any of the players we’ve been linked with. The signing of TV was similar to Nasri – no-one denied that negotiations were ongoing. As far as I can see, we are not currently negotiating to buy any players at the moment although AW has said things like ‘he is a player I admire’ which is usually a smokescreen.

  402. London says:

    Thank you Jonjon

    Some people wrongly assume that he wouldn’t want to spend the money he obviously has available. Wenger had a bad season, transfer wise, last year but there is no reason to assume he will make the same mistakes.

  403. London says:

    You could have anticipated that Ade was going to go but until he actually went there was always a doubt. The money probably arrived today. It is negative to expect that there should be concrete evidence of a signing this soon after.

  404. avenell says:

    I don’t mind,, I am happier than last close season.. A CM would be nice.. perhaps a striker.. I wouldn’t want anyone restricting Bendy.. he will get 20 plus this season given the chance..

  405. peachesgooner says:

    Evening

    We have to sign 2 players – don’t ask me who but we just have to – we have the money to spend and although I’m not a spender I can’t believe that Arsene will want to take the flack again for failing to sign someone….

  406. Rasputin says:

    So far I’m wrong and negative ……. actually, I’m just offering an alternative view …. not one that I hope will come true. Maybe AW has learned from past experience and we will sign someone – or …. maybe WE haven’t learned from past experience and we won’t sign someone….

  407. rico says:

    Guys, I have to go now – I will be back spreading happiness tomorrow 😉 😛

    Stay safe

  408. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – when do we ever really know that negotiations are taking place……we don’t believe the hacks and arse.com are muzzled 😉

  409. Rasputin says:

    I want us to sign players peaches … I just don’t see too many encouraging signs at the moment. I think he is less likely to sign a midfielder, which in my opinion is the most needed…..

  410. London says:

    Until this window is closed, I see no reason to be anything other than optimistic.

  411. peachesgooner says:

    Nite rico – while your spreading happiness could you make the sun shine tmoro please 🙂

  412. Rasputin says:

    That’s a state of mind … I’m pleased you feel that way ….. I may wake up tomorrow in the same mood. Subjective analysis of the evidence available does not link us with any player in particular for the time being. I think Huntelaar is going to be too expensive.

  413. Rasputin says:

    ABBA good nite rico 🙂

  414. avenell says:

    Why is Huntelaar too expensive?

    RM have agreed his value at £17mill ish.. Do you think it is his wage demands Rasp?

    I still see him as cheaper than Ade..

  415. peachesgooner says:

    I know rasp, a midfielder is on everyones wish list but we want someone to play alongside Cesc and thats gotta be a special midfielder……

  416. Rasputin says:

    Who is that ‘special’ midfielder we’re going to buy then peaches?

  417. London says:

    The scaryest thing about the price of Huntelaar is that he is in spud range.

  418. peachesgooner says:

    London – we can always count on you to be optimistic 😉

  419. Rasputin says:

    Avening eve,

    I don’t think the club want any more ‘Ade sized’ deals. I think its the price and the wages that will be a stumbling block.

  420. avenell says:

    There is also a golden rule that must never be broken on blogsites..

    Never sign a Dutchman.. always compare his stats to Kezman’s.. that proves he is crap..lol

  421. Rasputin says:

    The spuds have outspent us for about the last 5 seasons, their sugardaddy doesn’t look for a return from his investments

  422. London says:

    Trust me Peaches, I am a Doctor

  423. Rasputin says:

    I thought you lot all decided that DB was the best Arsenal player ever?

  424. rico says:

    I am with London, until the window is closed…..

    Night all,

    May the sun shine peaches, and Rasp thats really funny 😛

    I love ABBA 😛

  425. peachesgooner says:

    I don’t know rasp……..I just don’t know…..

    Alonso last season would have been a good plan 😦

  426. avenell says:

    See ya tomorrow Rico.. x

  427. JonJon says:

    we’ll sign…

    i wouldnt mind if we only got a CM…thats the most important for me…then im happy…

    but this has been the best transfer window for several years and we all know why dont we??

  428. peachesgooner says:

    Maybe Song has been doing sprinting and hes gonna be the one………….

  429. avenell says:

    Rasp it was generic.. you need to get down the Boot.. lol..

  430. Rasputin says:

    In the style of Gerry Maguire…. “Show me the players”….

  431. Rasputin says:

    You’re all full of bluster!!!! … admit it…. we’re not on the verge of signing anyone at the moment…..

  432. Rasputin says:

    DB is part of the Dutch genera????

  433. London says:

    “Show me the players”

    Very good, lol

    Can you at least let the Ade cheque clear first?

  434. peachesgooner says:

    Here he is

  435. Rasputin says:

    Clubs don’t wait for cheques to clear (even metaphorically) – the club new he was going long before it was confirmed. We don’t write a cheque the day we sign a player any more than we receive one the day we sell. AW is cautious by nature. Only when he worked alongside someone a bit more cavalier like DD did we sign players quickly an decisively. Who knows what Ivan’s agenda is? Does he work for us or Stan?

  436. peachesgooner says:

    ooooh ave’ll tell me off 👿

  437. Rasputin says:

    You just wanted to dribble over Tom Cruise peaches 🙂

  438. avenell says:

    I think you mean evil.. lol.. you naughty girl.. 🙂

  439. peachesgooner says:

    Yep…I can’t lie….. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  440. avenell says:

    Don’t change it.. that’s cheating…

  441. London says:

    Most people’s negativity towards Wenger and the transfer market is based on last season. This is understandable, in many ways I agree, Wenger took his eye of the ball but that was just one season. In every other summer Wenger has come up trumps…..that is every transfer window Rasp, he has got it right. This fact is the reason for my optimism.

  442. peachesgooner says:

    But I like this one better

  443. London says:

    The club knew Ade was going to leave long before it was confirmed Rasp…..are you sure…..please tell how you can be so sure?

  444. Rasputin says:

    Actually, I could take issue with the pessimist allegation as on many sites, the ‘optimists’ are deemed as the ones who claim that the players we have are fantastic and we don’t need to buy, and those that want new players are branded as negative pesimists…..

  445. peachesgooner says:

    I’m not sure you’re right there London – last summer we needed 3 players before we knew that Hleb, Flam and Gilberto were going, people were calling for a first class Goalie, DM and a striker. We hadn’t replaced Thierry, Bobby or Paddy, Jens was off and Almunia was suspect.

  446. Rasputin says:

    Oh bollox…. I started this little bit of fun as ‘agent provocateur’ purely because everyone was being so upbeat about a mystery signing just around the corner and I hadn’t read anything that justified that feeling. Sadly as I tried to put myself in that ‘negative’ pair of shoes I started to see the sense in it and have almost talked myself into believing it.

    I hope beyond hope that we do sign a couple more players and sad thouigh it is, maybe the injuries to Nasri and Dudu will force AW’s arm …….. but don’t bank on it …. doh!! 🙄

  447. London says:

    Rasp I am not trying to say you are a pessimist, I am just saying, give it a bit more time……and by the way, we are not other sites, we are not lefty zealots and we are not anti Arsenal cretins….this is the best site that is why we are here, simples

  448. London says:

    There we go Rasp, don’t you feel better for that 😉

  449. London says:

    Night, night folks

    I do like our chats Rasputin.

  450. Rasputin says:

    London 🙂 I have no choice but to give it more time … I’m not planning to pop mi clogs until I’ve seen us lift the Champions League trophy 🙂 🙂

  451. avenell says:

    Oy you two wind your necks in your misreading each other again..

    That’s spot on London.. we are the best site.. 🙂

  452. avenell says:

    Cheers London.. Night.

  453. Rasputin says:

    Ave – you’re misreading this one … London and I are cool about this ….. no angst! 😛

  454. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – its OK to be being realistic – there’s nothing in the press about us neotiating for any players – you’re absolutely right……that doesn’t mean that we won’t it just means its frustrating…….

  455. avenell says:

    No probs.. but unlike Chelsea.. you have history..

  456. Rasputin says:

    Nite London … hope your prediction comes …true

  457. Rasputin says:

    Listen here ave … if you want a rumble I’ll give you one … but leave me and my mate London out of this 😆

  458. peachesgooner says:

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  459. avenell says:

    Okay.. My Scott is better than your Trek..

  460. peachesgooner says:

    Nite London

    Right Rasputin anything else you want to get off your chest while we’re all ducking for cover…… 😉

  461. Rasputin says:

    Peaches … I guess my point is that at the moment, I don’t think we are even close to signing a player. I think we could sign Chamakh swiftly as he’s almost begging us to take him – and maybe the same is true of Matuidi. If Huntelaar is ready to leave, he will entertain a range of suitors and we are less likely to suceed.

  462. Rasputin says:

    Beam me up ave 🙂

  463. peachesgooner says:

    I agree….its an either or with Chamakh and Huntelaar though isn’t and is Matuidi better than Song? Song really improved during the tale-end of last season it would be really poor to buy someone that wasn’t better than him…….

  464. peachesgooner says:

    My comments are taking forever to go through 😦

    Scrab?

  465. Rasputin says:

    I seem to be winning an argument I want to lose….. so the only midfielder we might buy isn’t any better than what we’ve got and we aren’t likely to land the best striker available … you lot are giving in too easily .. I want you to convince me I’m wrong ….aaaarrrggghhh!!!

  466. peachesgooner says:

    Huntelaar was about to sign for Stutgard – so what happened there…..Man U, Man City, Chavs and Barca aren’t going to want him are they……Liverpool don’t have any money and don’t need him anyway…..Milan??????? Where’s he going to go – Spurs over US I can’t see it……

  467. peachesgooner says:

    Don’t be silly – of course you’re wrong we’re only humouring you……… 😆

  468. Rasputin says:

    Hang on ….. dah di dah….. just putting my optimistic hat on…….. Yes you’re right peaches … we are top of the list of clubs that are likely to be interested…. I think?

  469. peachesgooner says:

    Exactly – by the process of deduction its possible that is it us……not certain and don’t blame me if it doesn’t happen but whisper it quietly shhhhhh

  470. peachesgooner says:

    How long does a 2 min scrab take rasp?

  471. avenell says:

    Almunia.
    Sagna.
    Toure.
    Gallas.
    Clichy.
    Fabregas.
    Song?.
    Nasri.
    Rosicky.
    Arshavin.
    Bendtner.

    With .
    Walcott
    RvP.
    Gibbs.
    Vera lynn.
    Djourou.
    Eduardo.
    Fabianski.
    Denilson.
    Ramsey.
    Wilshere.
    Vela.
    Traore,
    Eboue?
    plus more as back ups..

    That seems to be as good a squad as any other in the Prem..
    I don’t see this winning an argument bit..
    Were okay..

  472. Rasputin says:

    I haven’t had my supper yet… so off to cook some bits up … looks like things have fizzled out here – unless you’re all hiding behind the sofa 🙂 … catch up later or in the morn. Nite all……

  473. Rasputin says:

    Sorry ave – I signed off before I had read your list.

    Joking apart…. tell me honestly … do you think we will sign any more players? It looks like you’re saying we’ll be fine if we don’t.

  474. avenell says:

    Rasp.. I hope we get a Flamini type player.. but I really want Dudu and Bendtner to work.. and RvP he is a top bloke..

    But that ain’t a bad squad is it?.. really.. Even Man U have weak spots..

    If you need to shoot off speak soon ..

  475. Evo in Oz says:

    morning all

  476. avenell says:

    Morning Evo.. try to get some more aussie gooners on.. I am off to bed and we always miss each other..

    Nite buddy..

  477. Evo in Oz says:

    righto mate, will try my best!

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