Do We Really Need Another Midfield Player?

I wouldn’t say no if another joined the ranks but do our Premiership hopes really depend on the arrival of a defensive midfielder. The question that springs to my mind is when will he play?

Ninety per cent of teams that come to the Emirates park the proverbial bus and only venture into our half when a break is on; so, it seems to me that a team geared to breaking down a defence using fast interplay is more effective than the addition of a more defensive player.

If we are playing Fulham at home what better midfield could we wish for other than Rosicky, Fabregas, Nasri, Arshavin. The task in hand that day, like so many others, would be to find a way past the crowd of bodies gathered around the eighteen yard line, a job that this midfield combination was born for, so where, and more importantly, why would you put a DM in there?

If we look at it another way there seems to be little point in buying a DM unless he is an established, high profile name and if that were the case he would inevitably expect to get first team football every week and this, using the example above, would be more of a hindrance than a help.

There will of course be those games when we will need a bit more steel, someone to shield the defence, but what makes this requirement difficult to fulfil is that this player will have to be prepared to sit on the bench for the long periods only stepping in for this kind of game or when there is an injury.

So we need a couple or three versatile players that can come in when needed but are also prepared to wait on the bench….and with that job requirement in mind Denilson, Song and even Diaby seem absolutely perfect.

When writing this, it struck me just how awesome the midfield combination of Rosicky, Fabregas, Nasri, Arshavin, really is. The more I look at it the more I convince myself that I don’t think I have ever seen a more skilful Arsenal midfield.


417 Responses to Do We Really Need Another Midfield Player?

  1. London says:

    Feel free to rip into this one boys (and girls)

  2. Rasputin says:

    Very good post London.

    I can’t argue with the quality of the midfield you list, but as you say, would it be effective on a muddy pitch in January up in the cold wasteland of Stoke or Sunderland.

    The other top 3 sides don’t seem to have the problem we do when it comes to overcoming teams that ‘park the bus’. I think we need to get the ball into their box at the feet of our players rather than faffing about cleverly outside the box, and more quality long range shots on target would be a good idea… Rosicky will certainly add that ability to the midfield and we’ve already seen what AA can do.

    Personally, I would happily swap Diaby for a more reliable ‘Gilberto style’ DM as an option for certain games. His talent is undeniable, but he gives the ball away too often in dangerous positions.

  3. JonJon says:

    london…good observation…and beleive it or not i actually agree with you…

    i dont agree with the concept of a holding player…

    some of the best football ive ever seen us play was when freddie bobbie paddy and edu were our midfielders and none of them were holding players…

    although some ppl say paddy was a DM…he wasnt..paddy was a box to box man…..

    i wouldnt say flamini was a DM either….obviously he was probably a better defender than the rest of the midfield…but more importantly he was box to box and he helped to link up play….

    we dont necessarily need just a player who can hold…we need a player who cesc can play with….which is way i liked the idea of alonso coming to the club…

    even veloso…who is a flamini with technical attributes…

    both would fit our style….

    th only thing that bothers me is that cesc is very slow…so that rules out is abiltiy to get box to box…the idea of him playing alongside a diaby, denilson or a song is the one that gets me because none of them fit wengerball and cesc will struggle…whereas the idea of him playing alongside nasri excites me….as long as wenger doesnt tell nasri to sit back and let cesc go forward because it will take both their games away and we will have a non productive midfield…you dont win a football game with a non productive midfield…its the engine room..we need to control it….

    both players would need to go forward and backward together….like the flamini/cesc one the paddy/edu one…the paddy/manny one….or it wont work…

  4. peachesgooner says:

    Morning London and all

    I agree entirely with you over the question of when would we play this monster DM. Last summer, the prospect of such a creative mid-field was there but without the experience and proven ability of AA. He will be the key to our success next season IMO.

  5. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon have you been up all night 😉

  6. peachesgooner says:

    All alone 😦

  7. raif says:

    i think we do Need Another Midfield Player, somone proven

  8. JonJon says:

    hi peaches…i had a sleepless nite last night…used to suffer from insomnia alot not so long ago….ive been ok for a few months now but last night it was back…. 😦

    i think its because i was warm…

  9. peachesgooner says:

    Poor you JJ – was there anything good on the telly?

    Hi raif – how was your holiday? Who have you got in mind for us to have…….

  10. peachesgooner says:

    London – its safe to come out and play, no bullets so far 🙂

  11. Rasputin says:

    Thanks for the link peaches – maybe old choc leg will be able to ‘curly wurly’ it into the top corner with his right foot like his old compatriate DB use to 🙂

  12. rico01 says:

    Hello again everyone 🙂

    Nice one London

    I disagree a little, sorry 😦

    I think this coming season we will see Arshavin playing in his true position rather than on the left of midfield.

    Diaby and Denilson are imho just not good enough to partner Cesc in the middle, and I know Nasri plays well there, I dont think he is the right player either.

    I am desperate for a ‘Paddy’ style player to be signed, a mean tackler, quick to get up and down the pitch, a player who really has the ability to break down the oppo’s attack. Song is not quick enough to do all that, but he is our best defensive player.

    But this player HAS to be as raif says, proven, not a CH who can play in that position or a goa keeper who can also play accross the middle – he needs to be quality and I honestly think that will just about put us above and beyond most if not all of the other sides.

    I hoped for Yaya Toure, but not a chance now……..

  13. JonJon says:

    hiya riaf..

    missed ya buddy

  14. raif says:

    hi Peaches..

    the holiday was excellent thanks.. im going back in september 🙂

    as for the Midfield Player. if we do get one.. i dont see it being a alonso, cana, melo or inler, or even a veloso,

    wenger will get a compleate unknown for peanuts, if that is a good thing i dont know. i remember when he brang PV04 and he was awsome the second he came on the pitch for the first time.

    but i find it hard to thing we will get another player or situation like that again

  15. JonJon says:

    yeah i watched the world licking fergies arse with signing owen….

    im coming round to the idea though.

    acoording to the sky ‘stats’ owen was top finisher last year

    he had a convertion rate of 28% last season….

    the nearest player to him was berbatov with 21%

    ade had 18% 😉

    so if you get a fully fit michael owen in a team that creates chances hes going to get you goals…

    maybe for a free transfer wengers missed the boat with that one and fergies got the bargain of the century….

    the best finisher in the league for naff all….

  16. Rasputin says:

    I’ve changed my mind about the Owen signing – I think its a far better move than us getting tweetypie if he’s on a low basic and pay per play basis. I doubt he’ll play 90 minutes, but what a sub to have? He’ll also sell a lot of shirts and be a great ambassador for the club. He’s going to give his utmost in an attempt to get in the world cup squad.

  17. JonJon says:

    if i was owen id tell capello to get on his bike…..

    ‘when i was playing and scoring for newcastle you wouldnt pick me but you’d pick defoe, bent, crouch….

    now im a manutd player you want me again…. feck off..”

  18. rico01 says:

    JJ – Owen was either shocking or crocked at Newcastle though so I can understand why he wasnt picked, and I cant see him suddenly becoming the player he used to be again either – his bones are passed it 😉

  19. bops says:

    How about Rosicky to take Flamini’s role ?? He has a great engine, holds the ball very well, not a great tackler but can manage.. passes, shoots.. tracks bak..
    exprienced.. just has to be more protective of the entire back four and not just the fullback..

    Well if this happens you all know where you heard it the first time..

  20. Rasputin says:

    JonJon – I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you before 🙂 until now 😦 …… I think Capello is a great manager and isn’t swayed by reputation. MO hasn’t been setting the world on fire at Newcastle despite what the lying stats show. I’m sure he will be picked for England if he can prove to be on form, consistent and stay fit.

  21. rico01 says:

    Hi bops, I think that could be a little risky for his first season back after a long time out the game

  22. raif says:

    hi Jonj Mate.

    i hope you been keep good pal..

  23. JonJon says:

    rico.. good point..

    bops…hello…another good point…rosicky and cesc would probably be more dominant…nasri on the right and AK on the left…

    rasp…see rico… 😉

    cant argue with any of that….

    why cant you be more offensive guys…instead of so reasonable….and you call yourselves fans….. whats the world coming to….

  24. JonJon says:

    sorry that appears rather naughty… i didnt mean to break the rules….i does seem like i am though but honestly i didnt mean to….

    yeah raif im good mate….

    are you looing forward to the new season???

  25. rico01 says:

    raif you old tinker, how’s it hanging 😉

  26. Rasputin says:

    rico – we have a history of taking ‘risky’ players to world cups – Owen, Beckham, Rooney all coming back too soon after injury and Theo taken to be made a laughing stock of. If Owen can play well all season he’ll be in contention because we have a lack of quality CF’s

  27. raif says:

    hi Rico.. im doing good thanks. just about to go get my dad from the train station,

    JonJ.. i Kinda am and kinda Not looking to it as i want us to get some players before i start getting excited for the new season lol..

    but i could really do with some football aswell

  28. raif says:

    ill try to jump back on later on today guys.

    need to get going.

    talk in a bit people 🙂

  29. avenell says:

    Hello .. goodbye Raif..

  30. rico01 says: have not confirmed RvP’s extension ( 😳 )
    Just the paps, is that just because no-one works there on a weekend 😉

  31. JonJon says: rather trust the paps then

  32. rico01 says:

    Couldn’t agree more Rasp, but I don’t think Owen will suddenly become a better player, or a fitter player just because he is at Manure 😉

    He is the perfect example of what happens to players when they are played ‘too much too young’ 🙂

    But Fabio has shown what a good manager he is with the crop of s*** he has to work with, and I just hope he doesn’t follow in the same foot steps as those before him… Becks apart of course 😛

  33. rico01 says:

    They soon updated it with Gibbs, Theo and Ramsey though JJ ?

  34. avenell says:

    Morning roadsters..

    Do we need a midfield player.. YES..

    The problem as I see it is we don’t need a DM that is all bollocks.. We play Wengerball and that means attack as a unit defend as a unit..
    So we need a box to box player with energy, like Flamini..
    As soon has we play with a DM like say Song he takes up a space in the team that is an attacking option.. Then Denilson has to hold his hand, so then we have 2 players doing 1 players job.. where we could use that player better further up the field..

    The other problem now though is lack of height in Wengers recent signings, Nasri, Eduardo, Arshavin and Cesc, Rosicky, and even Denilson will all struggle to defend corners and set pieces in the premiership and indeed score from set pieces..

    So if we were to play without Bendtner or Adebayor any aerial threat from opposing teams will have to be delt with by 2 small CH and perhaps Sagna..

    So in short we need a mobile 6′ plus, mobile, box to box midfielder..

    And a time machine to buy Vieira back.. or someone similar..

  35. avenell says:

    Jonjon you must be sidekick.. I only said to someone yesterday that if I was Owen I would tell Capello to poke England up his Arse.. 😉

    He even picked Defoe ahead of him and he couldn’t even get a game at the Spuds.. So now Owen is at a glamour club I bet the Italian tosser wants him now..1 goal every 3 games for Newcastle and not even in the squad so if I was Owen…Fabio “NO”

  36. JonJon says:

    yes ave….im your sidekick.. 😉

  37. Rasputin says:

    Hi sidekicks…… you’re both wrong – is that impolite enough for you JonJon? 😆

  38. rico01 says:

    Hi ave – can’t you spell this morning!!

    Now that is nasty 😉

  39. bops says:

    yeah rico.. lets see how he shapes up in preseason..

    hey jonjon.. yah thats the midfield I am lookin forward to.. with rvp and eduardo/ade (with his attitude sorted out) upfront.. its gonna rain goals..

  40. Rasputin says:

    rico – had you realised that I made a mistake and thought you were taliking about MO when in fact you were replying to bops – sorry 😦

  41. avenell says:

    If you relate Owen to the F1 driver.. Hamilton..
    Still the same driver just in a crap car..

  42. rico01 says:

    I hadn’t Rasp, you could have got away with that 😉

    Off for an hour – later all

  43. Rasputin says:

    ….. and Ade is Andy Murray 🙂

  44. avenell says:

    Hi Bops.. Nice to speak to you..

    London ..sorry forgot to say when I was replying to your post, thanks good topic for debate..

    Oh and Rico.. you are pushing it now..

  45. Rasputin says:

    Hi Bops – sorry I didn’t greet you earlier … I missed your earlier post.

    We now have a definite leaning towards positive thinking with your contribution 🙂

  46. JonJon says:


    if thats the midfeild wengers looking at then the defence would be his only priority….

    with such an attacking front 6 we would need to get the days back of keown and adams…..

    so a strong organised defender who loves to defend would be wengers only signing in the summer…..

    which leads us to the vermanator???????

  47. avenell says:

    What about Kompany if JT doesn’t open the box?

  48. JonJon says:

    do you mean you take kompany ave???

  49. avenell says:

    Yeah.. If JT sells his soul to the devil.. Kompany would be spare wouldn’t he?

  50. London says:

    Hi Bops…it’s gonna rain goals…I do like that thought 😉

  51. JonJon says:

    is he good enough ave…i know wenger was watching him for a while but for 6 mil that citeh got him for why didnt wenger try then????

  52. avenell says:

    I don’t know perhaps last year wenger thought CH was the one place we didn’t need another player..

    but with a few injuries and Silvestre backfired.. That cost us pretty badly, this year he seems to be addressing that situation..

    I know Kompany started well at Man C but I lost track of him after about 10 games in.. I did’t know if you saw him a bit more.

  53. peachesgooner says:

    oooh ooooh are we getting back to ‘peachesball’ – 6 up front….I like it…. 🙂

  54. avenell says:

    I have read several discussions about the amount of shirts that Real Madrid need to sell to get there money back on Kaka and Ronaldo etc.. There have been some very exact figures.. but what I cannot understand is how they know that people won’t buy a Real Madrid shirt anyway..

    If I was a Real Madrid fan.. I would go to a shop get my Real madrid shirt then get my favourite player put on the back.. Whoever it is at the club..

    Not choose a player, then see what team he has signed for, then buy there shirt because he is at that club..

  55. JonJon says:

    he got injured and lost his place and never got it back….

    i think he’s on about 50k a week though which would make sence why wenger didnt touch him…even though he liked him…

    peachesball…. i forgot about that…..

    2-2-7 formation…. goalie when needed…. 😉

    thats a point….why when formations are addressed the GK doesnt get recognised????

    442…. great but theres eleven players

    should it be 1442????


  56. peachesgooner says:

    Hi ave sweetie 🙂

    I think the logic is that you go and buy a new shirt and put a new player on it……no?

  57. peachesgooner says:

    If you had a Real shirt with Michael Owen/David Beckham on for example you would have bought a new one the season after they left with someone else on……….

  58. avenell says:

    Hi Peaches.. Exactly.. What people should be calculating is the extra shirts they will sell..

    At Arsenal.. you go in and get your favourite players name put on the back.. If we never signed Arshavin you would get say Walcott put on your back instead..

    Then you could turn up in it one game a season like Theo does..

  59. JonJon says:

    thats very true ave…madrid arent only going to sell shirts for ronaldo and kaka….

    and people who dont support madrid will buy a shirt for novelty value….

    when me and a mate went to spain years and years ago…we noticed an awful lot of the beautiful girls were hanging around with boys with madrid tops….madrid were the best spanish team at the time and we wanted to fit in so we went to a sports shop and bought us some spanking new real madrid shirts with zidane on the back….

    that holiday was well funny…the stand out moment for me was one night we were sat in a spanish bar and this beautiful girl walked in….i mean drop dead gorgeous….i would of married her right there and then….id of loved her forever and used her shit for toothpaste…..

    she was about a size 8….with more curves than an hourglass….skin soft and brown and sparkled under the spanish moon…eyes like diamonds… long black silky hair….mmmmmmm…

    anyway i digress…me and my mate were rather drunk at this point….my mate even moreso than me…after id picked both our jaws up from the floor i walked over to her and did my thing…and we were sat talking for a while….

    turns out she was from holland….anyway my mate comes over staggering and asks me to introduce her….

    which i obliged…mentioning she was dutch…at which point my mate who never really had a way with words…asked her if she knew dennis bergkamp….at which point a projectile of corona i was sipping flew across the room and landed smack in her face….

    me and the dutch beauty were both covered in my corona fuelled dribble…….at this point my mates drinking habit took a turn for the worse and he threw up on her feet…..

    ive never ever forgiven him….ever….

    anyway i digress again…. the morale of the story is blokes on holiday in spain will buy madrid tops to pull birds….and alot of blokes holiday in spain…im sure perez has thought of this and if he hasnt hes either married or he should sack his marketing manager and hire me… 😉

  60. London says:


    Can you just clarify, do you think they will get their money back from shirt sales or not?

  61. rico01 says:

    What exactly am I pushing please ave ? 😉

  62. avenell says:

    London.. I wasn’t saying they will or they won’t.. i was just suggesting that Real madrid fans would buy a Real Shirt anyway with say Robben on the back if Kaka or Ronnie hadn’t of signed..

    So how can you calculate it?

    Rico.. your luck 🙂 taking the wee out of my early morning dyslexia..

    how are ya?

  63. rico01 says:

    Fed up and miserable – you ??

  64. rico01 says:


  65. avenell says:

    I’m okay thanks.. I need to go and do a bit though..

  66. rico01 says:

    catch you later

  67. Xabier says:

    Hmm, interesting. Good observation though. Maybe we just need a better version of Diaby then?

  68. Evo in Oz says:

    could be an awesome season if sicknote and dudu are back, it will be like 2 fresh new signings!

    gday all

  69. London says:

    I read most of that debate that was going on another channel on whether Real Madrid would really be able to make their outlay on Ronaldo etc back from the sale of shirts. There were those who were saying that if they have only sold 9,000 shirts since he arrived, how on earth do they expect to get anywhere close to making back 80 mil let alone his wages?

    I thought the main mistake the sceptics were making was that they were taking the word “Shirts” too literally. When Florentino Perez said we will make the money back from the sale of shirts what he meant was from merchandising.

    Perez is not just trying to create a glamorous football team enabling him to sell high volume of typical football merchandise like footballs and shirts, he is trying to create the equivalent of a pop group and with it a much lower age demographic enabling him to sell pencils, pencil cases, things you hang in the car, bedspreads, pillows, cups, mugs it goes on for ever.

    The second thing the sceptics missed was although the club will have their sports shops around the ground that will sell their merchandise on match days, as all football clubs do, this will only be expected to generate a small part of the merchandising income, far more will come from selling the rights to the Spanish equivalent of Tescos and then the rights will be sold to Mexico and then they will be sold individually to every country in Latin and South America and then you move on to Japan and the rest of Asia and then you are getting somewhere close to understanding what Florentino Perez is talking about when he refers to the sale of “Shirts”.

  70. JonJon says:

    welcome xabier

    you are free to blog sorry for the delay…

  71. JonJon says:


    i was involved in that discussion and i hope you read what i said…do you agree???

  72. JonJon says:

    guys…theres news coming out of fiorentina that we have signed melo and eboues going the other way…

  73. rico01 says:

    JJ – just been reading that, WOW is all I can say 😛
    catch you in a while

  74. rico01 says:

    This came out around lunch time – i thought it really strange but maybe it is not 😉

  75. avenell says:

    Yeah I just heard that.. we could buy him for £10 million straight.. or we have to pay £13 million if we chuck in Eboue.. 😉

  76. rico01 says:

    Or a tin of carrots 😉

  77. Wrighty7 says:

    Gooooooooooooooood afternoon all!

    Where’s Jon Jon? He said hi the other day and I didn’t say hi back! HELLO JON JON!

  78. rico01 says:

    I am in doo doo as i am going to be late, but thought i would leave you with a thought…

    Some vey wise and very old man just reminded me that Melo is an attacking midfielder

    Could this mean that Cesc IS off ????

  79. avenell says:

    Oi Oi Wrighty.. have you turned your site into a dating agency.. you seem to be doing alright out it.. 😉

  80. Wrighty7 says:

    Oy oy Ave,

    Its a work in progress matey! Ha ha, are you talking about Linsey?

  81. avenell says:

    Yeah I think so.. Is it a bird? lol.

  82. Wrighty7 says:

    Have no idea. What was all that about?? Ha ha

  83. JonJon says:

    hey up wrighty….go on my son… 😉

  84. London says:


    I didn’t read all of the debate last night and I’m afraid I missed your part, could you copy and paste the important part for me, I’m curious to know what your views were on it.

  85. JonJon says:

    we invested more money on building a new stadium…we have that covered on well financed repayments over a period of time that secures us financially…

    whats to say that real havent done the same thing…only instead of building a new stadium…which they dont need….theyve ploughed the money into the team….

  86. JonJon says:

    the shirt repayments may or may not recoup some of the transfer fee….

    but if real only have to repay 20mil quid a year on a lets say 250mil quid loan….im sure they wont give a toss whether they do or do not….

    they’ll still make a profit every year…….

  87. Wrighty7 says:

    Ha ha Jonjon!

  88. JonJon says:

    and dont forget…it wont only be shirt sales and merchandising that will help towards the cost…

    real will now offlaod millions of pounds worth of talent that they dont need and will help clear the wage bill and also recoup probably all of kakas transfer fee straight away…

    real could break even in as quick as two years….

    either way they are laughing….

  89. London says:

    Hola Xabier

    Bienvenido a Avenell Road

  90. JonJon says:

    yes ole…i beleive you to be correct…at some point they will probably have to repay off a lump sum…

    but with the millions they will make on merchandising…whatever the figure will be…added to the millions that they will recoup on outgoing transfers…it wouldnt be a stab in the dark to suggest that the lump sum would be covered almost immediately….

    for all we know perez could of struck up a deal with one or two banks that involved lets say for the sake of the debate that they give him 250mil cash….and he repays them 70mil of it back by september…then 20mil a year from then on…

    real would be able to cope with that quite easily…

    theyve biult a new galaticos and they are none the worse off financially for it…

    still making profits every year….

    they same could be applied to us….we have an agreement with RBS to pay off the loan over a number of years…but with a lump sum due at some point…rumours are its this summer….but i cant clarify this….

    the highbury developments were probably viewed to help repay this lump sum…but with delayed construction its left us tight for money…which is why wenger has his hands tied in the market….he will spend…like he has…but it will be wisely…he’ll know his limits…..hes already stated he refuses to banrkrupt the club….which suggests also there is a lump sum involved and its a large one….

    he probably was after benzema…as he admitted he was interested in the player..but as soon as teams start throwing sums of 35mil about it leaves us pretty much up shit creek….

    until that lump sum is paid off that is….

    then we will be able to challenge with the likes of real and citeh and chelsea…but with our OWN cash…generated by the emirates…like we were told when the idea of the emirates was sold to us….

  91. JonJon says:

    hiya wrighty mate….hows it going its been a few weeks mate….

  92. Franchise says:

    hi guys it seems wenger is in for Melo


    that is it we are going to win the league

  93. Wrighty7 says:

    Hello JonJon,

    I’m cool, how you doing pal?

  94. London says:

    Thanks Jonjon

    Yeah, I agree with the essence of what you said in that if they are unable to pay of the hypothetical 250 mil then they will deal with the remaining debt as if it were a mortgage; which, as you say, they will be able to handle quite easily.
    I see a similarity between the way Real Madrid run their club and the US government, especially the last one. Both are elected and are only there for a given period, both try and make as bigger splash as they can and neither cares in what financial state they leave what they are running. Bush left the American people with Iraq and Perez won’t really care in what state financially he leaves the club.

  95. JonJon says:

    im good mate..i like all this new signing business….its been a while since weve strung a few signings together without losing half our team 1st…


    hi franchise…so thats your CM is it???

    10/10 ????

  96. Franchise says:

    yep Jonjon thats the lad

    he needs us as much as we need him

    under wenger he could go on to be the best DM in the world and he could ensure we win the league

    only problem is after 2 years Madrid would bid £40m for him and unsettle him

    romance only lasts for a minute dont it?


  97. JonJon says:

    can i ask summat???

    why are we always linked to the shite brazilians…..

    no offense…dont mean shite….but out of all the brazialians out there that are skillful, with finese and panache and flair…we end up with the boring ones who play DM….

    its like your mrs saying she wants a sexy weekend so shes off to the salon and shes getting a brazilian and she comes back with extensions and something that resembles maroune felliani in her snickers…..

    ‘there you go baby, i got an arsenal brazilian, just for you’


  98. rico01 says:

    Did any of you old tinkers read my 4.12 comment 😉

  99. JonJon says:

    honestly rico….???

    he doesnt seem to be one judging by the CC…..

    he looks a DM to me….can anyone do some research….

    wheres irish when you need her…

  100. Oiled Bum Hole says:

    jonjon we really do need a flair brazilian

    i still cant understand why a manager with an attacking philosophy hasnt signed a quality brazilian winger, AM, CM, CF in his 13 year stint at our club

  101. Franchise says:

    jonjon we really do need a flair brazilian

    i still cant understand why a manager with an attacking philosophy hasnt signed a quality brazilian winger, AM, CM, CF in his 13 year stint at our club

  102. kelsey says:

    Afternoon all,

    I was also involved in the discussion on the other channel,and challenged perez’s statement about income and turnover he forecast for the coming was not entirely based on shirt sales at all. the fiqure was 6000 not 9000 in the first week (sales of kaka shirts) hardly being a sceptic, when stating facts.

  103. Franchise says:

    Melo is a DM JonJon

    for fiorentina he is like a deep lying play maker. has a very good selection of long passes

  104. JonJon says:

    i no nothing about melo franchise….

    ive seen him play a few times in the CL and he puts himself about i’ll give him that but is he capable of complementing cesc????

    can he do what flamini did???

  105. avenell says:

    Rico has taught me everything I know.

  106. rico01 says:

    JJ – as pointed out to me, for Brazil he plays alongside Gilbert O’Silva, and we all know Gilbert’s role – I just had this horrid feeling for a few seconds 😦

    Cesc won’t leave us, not right now anyway, he is captain, he needs to stay and prove to himself to good in that role…

  107. avenell says:

    About Melo that is.. 😉

  108. avenell says:

    And Rico you need to stop talking to old men.. you will only end up in trouble..

  109. JonJon says:

    Gilbert O’silva 😉

  110. rico01 says:

    I know I should, but you didn’t – I did a 15 mins journey in 7 mins 😉 😳

  111. avenell says:

    Wow that’s faster than Ade cashes his wages in at cheque converters..

  112. rico01 says:

    JJ – that was just for Irish 😉

  113. avenell says:

    Hi welcome Mr oiled bum hole..
    no slating the other side.. that’s the rule.. 😉

  114. rico01 says:

    😛 ave

  115. rico01 says:

    Hi Mr OBH 😉 Gosh, that’s not far off an OBE 🙂

    ave – where has my big pig gone, I would like him back please 😦

  116. Franchise says:

    who is this oiled bum hole fella? 😉

  117. peachesgooner says:

    Afternoon all

    I have the headache from hell – not even alcohol induced – so I’m struggling a bit to read and write 😦

    Anyone answer this question – When David Beckham signed for Real Madrid the talk was of making the money back from his fee very quickly form shirt sales and other advertising revenue. I’m sure I was told that Real Madrid keep 50% of a players contracted advertising revenue ie:- 50% of Beckhams income from Gillete would’ve gone straight into Real Madrids coffers…………Anyone?

  118. avenell says:

    Don’t know Franchise, seems a welcoming sort of bloke.. 😉

  119. JonJon says:

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i didnt even realise….

  120. peachesgooner says:

    What are you talking about?

  121. Franchise says:

    a guy with oil around his bum peaches

  122. JonJon says:

    im cracking up… 😆

  123. peachesgooner says:

    OK found him 😉 Silly me, why did I even ask 😦 😳

  124. avenell says:

    The other good news is Almunia can cancel his prescription of Raljex, now that he hasn’t got to watch Denilson’s crab passing..

  125. avenell says:

    “It was like being a umpire at Wimbledon” said Almunia.

  126. rico01 says:

    Avenell – where is my piggie 😦

    mme – Ralgex you mean ave 😉 🙄

  127. avenell says:

    haha I spelt it right when I checked it on search, then spelt it wrong on here.. pillock..

    no piggie back for you.. 😦 picking on me like that..

  128. JonJon says:

    i thought that was watching ade play ave?? 😉

  129. avenell says:

    Authors are back hello, hello….. authors are back… ^^^

  130. rico01 says:

    JJ – watching Ade you just need to keeps your eyes in one place, and thats just beyond the last defender 😉

  131. Irishgunner says:

    Evening all,

    Interesting read London and I agree with you really.

    I use the term “DM” loosely as I think most do. Even the likes of Essien and Makalele before him who are considered your typical DM get forward a lot and pitch in with attack.

    Song’s problem is he is too slow to use the ball when he gets it and his positioning isn’t great.

    Melo is one of these attacking types. From what I have seen of him, he will work hard to get the ball back and tends to pass to Kaka, Robinho etc but likes to get forward and take a shot. Thing is when this happens he isn’t so quick to get back and relies on Gilberto to clean up for him. Would he have that luxury for us?

    Would he and Cesc be able to form a partnership like Petit and Vieira did? There level of understanding was unreal.

  132. rico01 says:


    😛 🙂 😛 My piggie is back 🙂

  133. peachesgooner says:

    ave 😆

  134. rico01 says:

    Evening Irish – did you like my earlier – it was just for you 😉

  135. avenell says:

    To watch Ade, there’s normally a man with a flag pointing at him..

  136. rico01 says:

    peaches – you snuck in, evening to you …

  137. JonJon says:


  138. Irishgunner says:

    Rico – I was gutted Gilbert O’Silva never declared for Ireland with his proud Irish heritage 😉

  139. avenell says:

    Notice to all authors!!!!! look at the comments in the dashboard!!!!!

  140. Irishgunner says:

    I’m not all gone on Melo to be honest but if AW is forking out big cash for him, I’d trust AW other myself.

    Only thing I can think of is that AW might be tempted to pair him with Denilson and play a 4-2-3-1.

    Denilson is like a younger and more immature version of Gilberto and Wenger did push Cesc further up field at the end of last season.

  141. avenell says:

    Drum Roll…………

  142. rico01 says:

    Irish 😛

    Ave – what am i looking for please :9:

  143. rico01 says:

    Was it mine ?????

  144. avenell says:

    You pillock.. that was the 20,000 comment on the site.. There was another holiday to be won 20 miles from Reading,, do you fancy it?

  145. rico01 says:


    20, 000 comments, i take it that is what i should have been viewing ??

    😛 😛 😛

  146. peachesgooner says:


    rico – you can’t possibly not notice ….. 😉

  147. avenell says:

    Peaches I know you told me the other day.. 😉

  148. JonJon says:

    ave…your such a gentleman… YOU PILLOCK….

    LMAO….ive had a good day today….its been fun….

  149. rico01 says:

    peaches – i saw the pic’s were back, but that bloomin ave man said look in the comments on the dash board – i did that and i noticed that 20,000 comments were up…

    Oh why am i so daft 😦

  150. Irishgunner says:

    Arshavin off to Barcelona 🙄

    The meeja should be allowed to be sued just for being stupid.

  151. avenell says:

    Rico (aka pillock) .. you were right.. 20,000 comments not bad eh?

  152. rico01 says:

    anyway ave – you’re back, you’re back – but are you on the right track 😉 😉

    Can I be in your gang 😉

  153. peachesgooner says:

    avenell, you cheeky monkey 😛

    That willow weilding rasputin will be gutted to have missed such a momentous occasion – are we breaking open the champers…..why didn’t you flag it up earlier ave, we could have had some fun trying to beat each other 🙂

  154. avenell says:

    Irish.. Is that a straight swap fo Messi.. or are they going to give us some cash to adjust it?

  155. avenell says:

    Peaches I didn’t realise until 19,996 I wanted Irish to get it as she couldn’t see the dashboard..

  156. Irishgunner says:

    For Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Yaya Toure and £50mil, then they can have him.

    What is a dashboard? The sidebar?

  157. peachesgooner says:

    rico – not as daft as me cos I took no notice of ave and had no idea what he was talking about 😦

    Well done though – 20,000 comments 😆 😆 😆

  158. avenell says:

    Rico.. I’m steering clear of that Stanley Sparkle debate.. 🙂

    That was going to be his name until he chose GG.. lol..

    It’s got a certain ring to it..

  159. JonJon says:

    or was that article first written when he was at zenit???

  160. avenell says:

    Irish.. it’s the behind the scenes bit..

  161. rico01 says:

    Stanley Sparkle – what the bloomin heck are you on about now ave 😉

    peaches 😆

    And Irish – please don’t drive if you can’t see the dashboard 😉 😉 😉

  162. rico01 says:

    Got it – Glitter Band 😦

  163. Irishgunner says:

    JonJon – Some meeja have taken the quotes he made while at Zenit about wanting to play for Barcelona and brought them back up this week and apparently that hints that Barcelona are about to make an offer 🙄

    Peaches – Did you know Michael Jackson so-wrote “Do the Bartman”?

  164. Irishgunner says:


  165. JonJon says:

    did anyone watch time of our lives last night… the arsenal of 71 was on and sir jeff had sir bob wilson sir frank mclintock and sir GG on the panel and they were reminising (sp)

    it was really interesting and educating…

    they said when bertie let frank go he said he wasnt good enough anymore…but bob and GG both said when they lost frank they lost the heartbeat….

    it was interesting when frank said the season we won the double he played in 73 games and the club used only 13 players all season….

    they all said they dont know how players can say they are tired these days and GG said its because we were tough…the kids arent tough enough….

    then they said the one thing that won them the league was that there was nobody better in the league than them then closing down…they were good with the ball but better without it….and it won them the league…the current arsenal lot need to learn that art of the game….

    and thats coming from a man who was one of arsenals great captains…..a man who managed us to 6 trophies and a man who has represented the club for the last 40 years in one way or another…..

    but they are all wrong…. 😳

  166. rico01 says:

    How times have changed JonJon 🙂

  167. Irishgunner says:

    I’d miss Eboue if he left …. not sure why!! Might be his dancing.

  168. rico01 says:

    So who did have the 20,000th comment ave ?

  169. peachesgooner says:

    Irish – I didn’t, but I do now 🙂

  170. peachesgooner says:

    rico…….it was you……

  171. rico01 says:

    Irish – I can see where you are coming from, he has been with us a while now – but funny enough his dancing…. I will not miss 😉

    If this is all true, Arsene MUST believe in Hoyte coming in as RB cover for Sagna – mustn’t he ??

  172. rico01 says:

    peaches – 😳

    I am so non pc friendly 😦

  173. JonJon says:

    th thing is irish is that ive never known a period…especially in my lifetime as a fan that so many players at the club are disliked….

    ade and eboue are the top of the list and it shoulnt be like the… right ave….

    but it is….once that resentment is their its just best to get rid….

    keeping them only has a negative effect on the fans and lets be honest…its not like either of them have been model players have they?????

    time we got rid me thinks…neither id miss….

  174. Irishgunner says:

    Neither did I till this morning peaches and he also wanted to move to Ireland cos he was left alone here. He was in Offaly, Cork and Dublin for a few weeks last year and the locals lied to the media about him staying so they wouldn’t bother him – see we’re nice folks 😀

    Rico – If Eboue goes we have been linked with Tasci who can cover RB as well – sorted 😉

  175. peachesgooner says:

    I’d be very surprised if Eboue went unless he really wanted to go – Arsene loves Eboue !!!!!!

  176. Irishgunner says:

    Jon Jon – I hated Eboue with an absolute passion after he got sent off against the Spuds but it has waned since. I’d wish him well if he did leave, he might be a pain in the back side but least he never complained when Arsene played him out of position for the umpteenth time.

  177. JonJon says:

    kolo and gallas can both play RB rico…

    eboue wont be a big loss..

    unless kolos going to citeh and richards is coming the other way….

    it would make sense to get rid of the africans this year…wenger knows times running out…he wont take/cant take any chances or make up any more excuses….

    my theory is song would be his favorite to keep…and maybe kolo if he doesnt get the right deal….but i reckon hes not to fussed about the other two….

    there time is up….

  178. Irishgunner says:

    That was meant to say “Peaches” not “Rico” in reference to MJ 😳

  179. JonJon says:

    ive never liked eboue irish….not even when he played RB…just didnt rate him….and i dont think wenger did either which is why he signed sagna

    then the petulance and the acting like a fanny set in and ive never liked him since….

  180. rico01 says:

    All sorted indeed then Irish 🙂

  181. peachesgooner says:

    rico – I meant to say thankyou for your song title yesterday – one of my favourites, love to boogie to that one – shame hes a bit of a shit though…..

  182. rico01 says:

    JJ – that is the biggest thing I detest about Eboue – that stupid grin when he know’s he is in the wrong, the dirty play and the pleads of innocence, the pleading with the ref, oh i could go on, but i wont…

    I love him for the ‘Terry tackle’ though 😉

  183. peachesgooner says:

    Changed it for you Irish 🙂

  184. Irishgunner says:

    JJ – That’s why I find it weird that I might miss him cos I’ve never particularly liked him either 😕

  185. JonJon says:

    it embarrasing rico…..

    every week id go to work and it was eboue this and eboue that and you cant even defend him…thats when you know its bad when you cant even defend one of your own players….. 😦

  186. Irishgunner says:

    Thanks Peaches 😀

  187. peachesgooner says:

    London didn’t give us a song title – any ideas ……

  188. Irishgunner says:

    What I disliked about Eboue most was his awful tackles that could break bones and his constant diving.

    Yet St.Steven of Gerrard does it week in and week out for Liverpool and they love him.

    See, you can get away with anything when your good.

  189. JonJon says: your saying youd miss hating him 😉

    you can still hate him irish if he moves..only you can feel good about taking the piss out of him instead of feeling bad because he isnt our player anymore…..

    the day eboue leaves i will do a widget on the blog called eboue watch and i;ll rip the piss out of and call him all the names under the sun and feel good about it…. 😉

  190. JonJon says:

    thats exactley it irish…without gerrard they are fuck all so he can get away with it…. eboue is one of our shittest players so when he starts tripping over blades of grass and goes off on a stretcher holding his finger i just hang my head in shame and imagine how much we can sell him for.. 😉

  191. avenell says:

    Rico what is that writing on the bottom of your avatar?

    I can see it now I have enlarged it.. but cannot quite read it..

  192. Irishgunner says:

    I don’t like hating our own players 😦 but I think Eboue is a bit of a muppet on the pitch although very well liked off it, it seems.

    I save that for the likes of Bentley and that lad that went off to Chelski, what’s his name…. I hear your a massive fan Jon Jon 😉

    Also, has anyone noticed that off the field, Arshavin carries a man-bag everywhere?

  193. Irishgunner says:

    There is one of him and Nikki B somewhere as well, can’t remember where I saw it and Arshavin looks so small.

    Once again – note the man-bag, what does he be carrying around?

  194. Irishgunner says:

  195. kelsey says:

    melo 17 yellow and 3 Red in one season appears to be on his way.

  196. Rasputin says:

    Hi Folks,

    Excellent post by London but I’m slightly disappointed at the lack of musical reference – may I suggest ‘Alright Now’

  197. Irishgunner says:

    Melo seems to get yellows for nothing though – well at least he did in the Confederations Cup.

  198. kelsey says:

    this is the article that started the shirt debate :

    Agence France-Presse

    Friday, 03 July 2009
    Real Madrid seeks new deal with adidas – press
    Real Madrid have asked sponsor adidas to double to 60 million euros the amount it pays the club annually, in view of their signing of a host of new stars, a Spanish newspaper said Friday.
    Real’s new president Florentino Perez is seeking the renegotiation of its contract with the German sporting goods manufacturer, which runs until 2012, El Pais said, quoting sources close to the club and to the sponsor.

    It said a refusal by adidas, which produces and sells the club’s shirts, could push Real to take its business to the company’s US rival Nike.

    Besides adidas, Real has several other sponsors, including Coca-Cola, Audi, Bwin and Telefonica, which altogether pay them some 130 millions euros a year, around one third of the club’s revenues of 400 million.

    In the past month, Real has shelled out more than 200 million euros for top stars Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Raul Albiol and Karim Benzema.

    Perez wants to up the club’s turnover to 500 million, partly so he can cover the huge salaries of 10 million a year promised to Ronaldo and Kaka and to pay for more signings, El Pais said.

    “We are the best club in the world,” Perez told adidas CEO Herbert Hainer in a telephone conversation seeking a renegotiation of their contract, according to El Pais.

  199. peachesgooner says:

    Hi rasp – ‘Alright now’ gets my vote.

    We had the 20,000th comment while you were away… 😉

  200. Rasputin says:

    I saw ….. and new bloggers joining all the time – although some unusual names????

  201. kelsey says:

    Don’t Mind Me 😉

  202. Irishgunner says:

    Good evening Kelsey 😉

  203. kelsey says:

    Interesting but I’m not sure what you’ll do with this info!


    04:05: 06 07-08-09


    (I had a deep feeling that you just needed to know this)

    evening Irish.

  204. kelsey says:


    6th Place

    It was mealtime during a flight on a British Airways plane:

    ‘Would you like dinner?’ the flight attendant asked the man seated in the front row.

    ‘What are my choices?’ the man asked.

    ‘Yes or no,’ she replied.


    5th Place

    A flight attendant was stationed at the departure gate to check tickets.

    As a man approached, she extended her hand for the ticket and he opened his trench coat and flashed her.

    Without blinking an eyelid she said,

    ‘Sir, I need to see your ticket not your stub.’


    4th Place

    A lady was picking through the frozen turkeys at a branch of Sainsbury’s but she couldn’t find one big enough for her family.

    She asked a passing assistant, ‘Do these turkeys get any bigger?’

    The assistant replied, ‘ I’m afraid not, they’re dead.’


    3rd Place

    The policeman got out of his car and approached the boy racer he stopped for speeding.

    ‘I’ve been waiting for you all day,’ the bobby said.

    The kid replied, ‘Yes, well I got here as fast as I could.’

    When the policeman finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way without a ticket.


    2nd Place

    A lorry driver was driving along on a country road.

    A sign came up that read ‘ Low Bridge Ahead.’

    Before he realised it, the bridge was directly ahead and he got stuck under it.

    Cars are backed up for miles.

    Finally, a police car comes up.

    The policeman got out of his car and walked to the lorry’s cab and said to the driver, ‘Got stuck, eh?’

    The lorry driver said, ‘No, I was delivering this bridge and ran out of petrol!’



    A teacher at a polytechnic college reminded her pupils of tomorrow’s final exam.

    ‘Now listen to me, I won’t tolerate any excuses for you not being here tomorrow.

    I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal injury, illness, or a death in your immediate family, but that’s it, no other excuses whatsoever!’

    A smart-arsed guy at the back of the room raised his hand and asked, ‘What would you happen if I came in tomorrow suffering from complete and utter sexual exhaustion?’

    The entire class was reduced to laughter and sniggering.

    When silence was restored, the teacher smiled knowingly at the student, shook her head and sweetly said, ‘Well, I suppose you’d have to write with your other hand’.

  205. Rasputin says:

    What’s the score on this Melo for EE and some dosh story?

  206. Irishgunner says:

    I know where I’ll be at 04:05:06 07-08-09 – in my bed.

  207. kelsey says:

    I nicked these off ped**

  208. Irishgunner says:

    Rasp – Fiorentina are claiming on their website that Arsenal are the only club to have made a “reasonable” offer and they are willing to lower the price if Eboue is thrown in.

  209. kelsey says:

    Evening Rasp,

    i always thought Eboue was Wenger’s love child. If true I am to say a little surprised,and it puts the onos more on Theo to up his game.

  210. Irishgunner says:

    My thinking on Eboue is, is that he is happiest at RB and knowing that he won’t displace Sagna wants to move to a club that’ll play him at RB.

  211. rico01 says:

    ave – i don’t understand about the writing thing – please help ?

    hi kelsey and Rasp – how many today Rasp 😉

  212. JonJon says:

    sorry guys im back…had to get some grub….

    irish the man you speak of is best described as a banned word

    hey kelsey…had me in giggles mate…

    aparently we are making enquiries about this dude and weve made an offer close to valuation….

    fiorentina may take ebouseless the other way to make the difference..

  213. avenell says:

    Kelsey.. that depends on how you set your clock up..

    Is hours, minutes, seconds.. then day, month, year correct? Who says so?

    What about real years being 365 and a 1/4 days long?

    Was Jesus actually born on Zero ?

    Why can’t there be the same time all over the world instead of different time zones?

    Where am I ?.. lol

  214. rico01 says:

    me too JJ and now i am too full 😦

  215. avenell says:

    Rico look at your enlarged avatar… there is writing in the bottom left hand corner..

  216. JonJon says:

    sorry irish.. 😉
    and my take on eboue is….

  217. Rasputin says:

    Thanks Irish – I would think EE and up to £5m would be a good deal for us.

    Evening kelsey and rico.

    rico – I was ‘rested’ today….. I hate that expression. They lost and I would have made a difference but the captain is ageist and keeps leaving me out for numpties 😦

  218. Irishgunner says:

    Avenell – you need to lie down in a dark room 😆

  219. Irishgunner says:

    Rasp – some have mentioned £15mil plus Eboue, Melo’s new buy out clause is £24mil apparently

  220. avenell says:

    Whoops my take on Eboue..

    Thanks Dr Irish.. 🙂

  221. Irishgunner says:

    Jon Jon – I’m an innocent young lady and don’t know any of these “banned words” you speak of 😉

    Speaking of food, I’ve garlic chips with cheese on the way …. yum yum

  222. Irishgunner says:

    Anytime Avenell 😉

  223. Rasputin says:

    That sounds way too high Irish …. These buy-out clauses become meaningless when the player’s in the last two years of his contract. I can see us paying the equivalent of over £20m for ‘another’ midfielder’

  224. Irishgunner says:

    Melo signed a one year extension last week though Rasp which keeps him there till 2013 so that’s four years

  225. rico01 says:

    Ah those letters ave, I cant tell you otherwise I will have to kill you 😉

  226. avenell says:

    That’s what they call me irish.. how did you know? 😉

  227. JonJon says:

    ive just got off the phone with a pal of mine whos not really resting in piece but working in asda with elvis….and rosicky.. 😉

    he wants to tell eboue something…believe it or not he is an arsenal fan and his take on eboue is

  228. avenell says:

    Rico.. that’s lovely.. I was only asking.. now AK47 is after me..

  229. Rasputin says:

    can = can’t in my previous post 😳

  230. Irishgunner says:

    😆 Avenell, us women know those things 😉

  231. rico01 says:

    ave – i was joking you sensitive old fool you 😉

    must be your age old chap 😉 😉 😉

  232. Irishgunner says:

    “Celtic will compete with Birmingham for the signature of freed Arsenal midfielder Amaury Bischoff.”

    Big clubs are after me he said 😆

  233. avenell says:

    Rico.. I’m still your age for a week or so.. 🙂

  234. JonJon says:

    oh yes pischoff…europes elite i see… pft

  235. kelsey says:

    25 million euros for Melo, that’s a crazy price.


    don’t they have impact subs in cricket 🙂

  236. Rasputin says:

    I hope AW has learned a lesson over the ‘gamble’ of signing Puschoff

  237. rico01 says:

    Irish, thats so funny – big clubs my doo daa 😛

  238. Irishgunner says:

    AW isn’t going to fork out £25mil for a “defensive” player. He admired Arshavin for years and managed to get that genius for £15mil…..

  239. rico01 says:

    ave 🙂

    Rasp – did you carry your willow again ??

  240. Irishgunner says:

  241. rico01 says:

    I am off up the wooden hill all, catch you tomorrow..

    Stay safe 🙂

    Its been a fun blogging day 😛

  242. JonJon says:

    night rico…yep its been emotional…. 😉

    irish i cant get that link to work..its been diasbled…what is it??

  243. peachesgooner says:

    Hey guys – anyone around…….

  244. JonJon says:

    yeah im around peaches…

  245. kelsey says:

    Good Morning all,

    London apologies,but I have only really taken in your post.I would like to discuss some aspects that you mention”the parking of the proverbial bus” and needing more steel in defence.

    Last season only one of the 3 promoted clubs,WBA were relegated,partly because of a non existent and keeping with Mowbray’s policy of neat attractive football.

    The majority of clubs,in fact all the clubs that come into th PL and others that are in the lower regions of the division,have one priority at all costs,and that is to survive by any means possible be it ugly or not,to avoid being relegated.

    This season based on the clubs promoted and the many others who just escaped last season, will IMO be greater than ever,I would say up to 11 or 12 clubs who will come to the other 8 , the sole priority will be of not losing.We already experienced this difficulty last season and the steel you mention in defence is what is missing.Who that player is open to conjecture,but a combination of a bigger physical presence especially in defence is required.

  246. kelsey says:

    non existent defence….

  247. JonJon says:

    get your yocks around this peeps….

    would you??? i would???

    morning kelsey….that is an excellent point mate….

  248. peachesgooner says:

    Fantastic bloody fantastic – I don’t know who said they’d drive him to the airport but if they’re not up yet I’m ready…… 😉


    Sorry I stood you up last night JonJon 😉

  249. JonJon says:

    no peaches….its not acceptable….you only get one chance with me and you let me down…i dont feel like i know you anymore…we have drifted apart… 😉

    if there was a chance it was true..i’d pick him up and carry him all the way to milan myself…then id carry flamini all the way back….

    and id be there and back in a day…id run… 😉

  250. peachesgooner says:

    Hopefully Flim Flam will have been saving a lot of his extortionate wages cos we won’t be paying him what Milan are paying him 😦

    Would you come back for less after you’d been treated badly……I’m not sure I would…..

  251. Rasputin says:

    Moirning Roadsters – peaches, JonJon, kelsey,

    Nobody knows the real figures, but I get the feeling that our so called wage structure is a shambles and just comes down to paying as little as the club can get away with unless they lose their bottle and are held to ransom in which case they cave in and pay over the top.

    I’d hate to think that a top class player like AA is earning significantly less than Ade. I would imagine that wage comparison is a major cause of unrest amongst most squads of players.

  252. JonJon says:

    if i wasnt happy where i was peaches and i was missing my mates and 1st team footy i wouldnt care about the money peaches…id just want to come ‘home’

    lets say hes on 70k a week and wenger offers him 50k to come back…id take it…that 20k would make no difference to me…

    but then again id play for arsenal for free.. 😉

  253. JonJon says:

    thats what really pisses me off rasp…

    how the club can let a player like flaminin walk…..

    we offer our players new contracts only a year into there new one..we offer players new contracts with three years left

    so why was flamini contract allowed to get into the final year in the first place….

    yet ade can throw his rattle out and get himself a bumper deal and at the same time we let another player who was just as important to the team at the time walk….


  254. kelsey says:

    When has Wenger ever resigned a player ? I can’t remember one.I actually think if Flamini is part of the deal,the expectation on him would be tremendous regardless of the wages offered.We remember his last season with us,but also the two prior to that.

    The good thing it looks like RVP is going to accept the 5 year deal at 80K a week, after secretly or not touting himself about.RM appear to have gone off Dutch players.

  255. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters.. how are you kelsey?

    The slight diffence between Flamini and the others is he was out of contract and just quietly left, we know how Arsene respects his contracts so he may not have pissed him off as much as some who went about leaving in a more unprofessional manner.

    I still can’t see it happening though.

  256. rico01 says:

    Hi-de-Hi Roadies…

    Wouldn’t it be something if we got Melo and Flamini (although I would prefer a new player) in, and shipped out the two dancing bears….

    Busy day today for me 😛

  257. Rasputin says:

    Morning ave,

    I agree about Flam – I can’t see AW’s ego/pride allowing him to bring him back.

    Assuming football is all about business and not our romantic concept of loyalty, then its all about market forces. So is a player worth whatever any club is prepared to pay him/for him – or, is he worth the value that his current club places on him, in which case unless other crieria are involved, in most cases he will go to the highest bidder? Obviously the latter is true.

    I think contracts once signed are pretty meaningless in terms of retaining a player – they only serve as a timescale in which to get or not get a high resale value. I cannot think of any player ever that has gone to a club he didn’t want to play for because his old club sold him tio the highest bidder and performed to his full potential.

  258. avenell says:

    Morning Raspno/Rico..

    I agree with that too Rasp, but players like Hleb and Cole got there agents to sort a deal out to leave or indeed use it as a lever to up there wages.
    Flamini as far as I am aware was allowed to talk to other clubs legally from Jan 1st onwards. Perhaps Arsene thinks he left in a proper manner.

    But then again Arsene has talked to RM, it’s a f**ked up moral world football.

  259. rico01 says:

    Alan Price I think 😛 😉

  260. JonJon says:

    morning ave…the wise old head you are mate….thats one of the reasons i latched on to you so quickly when i first started blogging….

    brilliant….you know your shit…. 😉

  261. rico01 says:

    But Flam was still lying to AFC, AW said he was confident that he would stay and expected him to sign a new contract – he knew he wanted to go and that for me is why he played his best football.

    Why could he not just tell the truth to the club on 1st Jan, then he could have been sold rather that go free. It was all about money and going on a free would allow Milan to give him a better wage!

    I honestly would rather he didnt come back, we saw the best in him for one and a half seasons and i doubt he would play to that standard again..

  262. avenell says:

    Rico.. i don’t agree with that. I believe that in the August when Gilberto was at the olympics, Flamini was given his his first real oppertunity to play in his favoured position where he could use his energy to the maximum.
    he than showed what he could do, we all knew he could tackle because he played the right footed left back in the longest unbeaten of not conceeding a goal in the CL.

    So when it came to the end of the season he looked at the best offers on the table.

    Now supposing Arsenal had to buy a player of the same quality say Melo they would have to pay £15 million pounds.. as he owns his own contract he is sort of entitled to that money in extra wages. So if he was to sign a 5 year deal he should have got £3 million a year that’s £60,000 a week on top of his wages say £50,000 a week. Now if we had offered him £90,000 a week we would still have been in a far better financial postition than we are now trying to replace him with melo.
    It was a similar situation to Sol, he was paid £100,000 a week because he was not contracted to another club so the would be transfer fee went in his pocket..

  263. London says:

    Morning All


    “It just comes down to the paying as little as the club can get away with”…..I agree…is that good business or does that make it a shambles?….I would probably lean towards the former…but one thing is certain and that is that this policy of the club is not Adebayor’s doing; so, I don’t really understand why you refer to his wage negotiation as holding the club to ransom when you have already acknowledged that the club will do what ever necessary to pay as little as they can….this strikes me as a contradiction. I would suggest that you are applying your gentleman’s cricket view of life to the hard nose world of negotiation.

  264. London says:


    I hadn’t read your 10.43 when I posted my comment

  265. JonJon says:

    flamini was the perfect foil for the passing game we had…he could get box to box in a second….

    when we were attcking he was there to make up the numbers and when we lost the ball he was like a greyhound out of the traps chasing the hare….

    he stopped teams from setting up a counter attack and he allowed the rest of our players to set up a solid defensive structure…..

    neither cesc song denilson or diaby can do it and we got caught on last season for it….

    the problem therefore isnt cesc….we know we need him….the problem is finding the right partner for him and we let him leave last season…

  266. Rasputin says:

    Hi London – does that mean we are in agreement? 🙂

  267. London says:

    Flamini-ing a Dead Horse.

    There are two common views as to what went wrong with Flamini; there is of course the view that the club are to blame; they should have done more to keep him or at least should have got some money from AC. By contrast there is the view that no matter what the club did Flamini was determined to leave after being, as he saw it, poorly treated by the club.

    I want to introduce a third way that has not been talked about.

    In essence it involves a benevolent act that backfired. My view is that having decided that Flamini was surplus to requirements Wenger purposely let the contract run down as an act of benevolence in the knowledge that it would help him secure work elsewhere. Remember that they had signed Fabregas on an 8 year deal so they were well aware of the need to keep their best players under contract. So to suggest that they forgot about Flamini doesn’t make sense.

    Why? It was done to try to ensure the continued success of the youth project. Players are signing for Arsenal as young as 9 years old now, so logic dictates that it is the fathers who are making the decisions as to where these young boys play their football. These very same fathers also know that not every boy is going to make the big time so their decision is going to be influenced by how a club deals with the players that do not make it.

    Flamini was one of those players who was not going to make it at Arsenal so in an attempt to send the right message to all those fathers who are, at this very minute, debating as to whether they should send their son to Man U or Arsenal they let his contract run down thereby making him more attractive to a future employer. The result being, that fathers are given the impression that Arsenal care about what happens to players that don’t make it at the club.

    No on expected Falmini’s transformation, Wenger even said that if Diaby was fit he would have played in place of the tired Gilberto. As we know Flamini started to do his impersonation of Superman and made himself undropable. There is little doubt in my mind that a new contract was offered but Flamini had already made up his mind to leave. It is true that Arsenal could have tried to get another club like Barcelona involved in an attempt to scare AC into paying something for him but by that time Flamini was in the driving seat and was going to find a way to leave no matter what.

  268. London says:

    Morning Rasp

    How are you mate, you keep me thinking that is for sure 😉

  269. rico01 says:

    ave – we have have to agree to disagree on that one 😉 🙂

    Back later – off out for lunch 🙂

  270. avenell says:

    Morning London.

    The only time we could have got Barca or someone to pay any sort of monies for Flamini was in the January transfer window, we was sitting top of the league.
    Why would Arsenal sell who was arguably there best player to ruin the season, especially when we had just lost diarra, Gilberto was in bad form and Diaby was injured.
    So what is a player worth with 4/5 months of contract left? and would that be worth risking the title for?

  271. avenell says:

    Okay Rico.. laters.

  272. JonJon says:


    can i ask you something???

    do you think the reason wenger is tying down our players to long term deals suggest that he has learned from what happened with flamini???

    and even if they dont make it….it means we wont lose a player for nothing either….

  273. avenell says:

    Jonjon.. there is more to this finance and players contracts than meets the eye..
    The way I see it you buy a package Transfer fee plus wages..
    You then have to work out the balance..
    Will the player improve?
    will the player be too old for resale?(gallas).
    If we offer him top wages he cannot be a squad player. (ade).
    Do we want to keep him, keep topping up his wages?(Fabbie)

    There is a yearly budget and trying to balance what is the best value for money must be an artform..

  274. JonJon says:

    and theres going to be a few cockups along the way

  275. London says:


    We are saying the same thing. The only time a club like Barça would have been able to do was at Christmas, it is a view, but I do not agree with it. I am of the belief that is was an act of benevolence that back fired.


    You can ask me anything you want mate, I know you are asking politely as I’m sure you realise that I am doing the same when I ask you a question.

    I don’t think that Wenger and the club are insisting on tying up players like Ramsey, Gibbs and Wilshire because of the experience of Flamini. The club have always tied up talent they really believe in and there is no better example than Fabregas….no, to me Flamini was a miscalculation, until the season he turned into a super hero he was an average player as left back and prior to that he was thought of as a basket case in the midfield.

    There is a touch of hypocrisy here, there are those who are outraged by the wage that Adebayor achieved after one good season and yet the same people fall over themselves in the case of Flamini who also only had one good season, but rather than stay and play hard ball to get the wage that he wanted at Arsenal, in the same why as Adebayor did, Flamini chose to fuck of to Milan.

  276. avenell says:

    That’s right JJ.. It must be really hard for teams at the bottom of the League like the Boltons.. They can only risk giving a player a contract that changes should they go down to the Championship it lowers the players wages, therefore attracting lesser quality players.
    Newcastle for instance didn’t write this into the players contracts and some are actually getting a £10,000 a week rise even though they went down.
    So now they have players on mega bucks that no one wants who can just sit and take there weekly wage.

  277. Rasputin says:

    Hi again London, I’m good – hope you are too 😛

    It looks like the Ade saga is going to run and run just as it did last summer. I can’t see him going before the end of the window if at all because all his suitors are looking at other options and it may come down to what’s left!……..

    Latest report:

    “The agent of Emmanuel Adebayor insists the striker has no intention of quitting the Gunners this summer.

    The future of the Togo international has been the subject of much speculation, with reports circulating that he is unhappy in North London.”

    When asked by Observer Sport whether Adebayor would be leaving the Emirates Stadium, agent Stephane Courbis said: “No, no, it’s the same as last week.”

  278. avenell says:

    Cheers London.. I didn’t think we was far away otherwise you would have laid into me.. 😉

    not sure about the hypocrisy. Ade was at Arsenal 1 season and still had 3 years to go before he held the club to ransom.

    Flamini was a good boy for 3 years and even got dropped unfairly for the CL final for a semi fit Cole (imo)

    He was out of contract 2 completely different scenarios

  279. JonJon says:

    thats what i think london….flamini was miscalculation and your right theirs alot of double standards when people discuss flamini and ade…


    newcastle are a perfect example of how not to run a club…same as leeds

    but what you say about wages at bolton is the reason why the monopoly of the clubs will never be broken…unless a sugar daddy comes along

  280. JonJon says:

    hi rasp…

    notice how team adebayor are being as good as gold this year…last year they thought they had the club by the bollox…this year the the boot is firmly on the upper hand… 😉

  281. Rasputin says:

    Hi JonJon,

    True, but if they leave it to the last minute, will that give us time to spend the money if we choose to?

  282. kelsey says:

    I believe wenger is playing poker with any club remotely interested in adebayor,by telling him and most probably his agent in no uncertain terms,that Ade is staying to up the ante,or regardless of what many of us think ade will still be with us next season,but not an automatic starter.I think le boss is quite relaxed about the whole situation.

  283. Rasputin says:

    I’d hate to see a further ‘demotivated’ Adebayor next season if his hopes of playing for Milan have been dashed and he stays reluctantly.

    I don’t think either party really has got the upper hand – we shouldn’t count our chickens ’til the fat lady sings and the leopard has changed it’s spots 🙂 🙂 🙂

  284. JonJon says:


    i think your right wenger is relaxed and that tells me he has the sqaud sorted whether ades in the team or not….

    which brings to my next point rasp….i think wengers targets have been adressed and he has the money at his disposal…

    if he sells ade then the money will be recouped if he doesnt he has an extra player going into the season….

    but i reckon he’ll sell ade….hes just waiting for the right moment…

  285. London says:

    I agree with a mixture of the last 5 posts.

    I don’t think either side has the upper hand.

    I don’t believe that anyone is in for him yet, so I don’t think that Wenger waiting for the right moment.

    I do agree that if Adebayor doesn’t leave then Wenger will simply regard it as having an extra player going into the next season. Athough, I expect Wenger, because he has more options this time, to be much tougher this season with him, so if he is sulking because he never got his move then he will find himself on the bench.

  286. London says:

    Oh, I forgot, I love the discription of “Team Adebayor” that made me laugh.

  287. JonJon says:

    london id love to see ade sat on the bench…

    no injuries…no tweaked hamstrings…just hes fit and im not playing him..look hes sat on the bench…and he’ll be sat there until he sorts it out…

  288. Rasputin says:

    London / JonJon,

    You’ve both touched on my main concern – that is that if Ade stays AW will make him his first choice striker come what may. I have never understood why he rates a player that can’t play Wengerball so hightly. He is a blunt instrument IMO that can be effective when his head’s in the right place…..

  289. rico01 says:

    Afternoon everyone

    No news then other than the Ade story 😦

    Sadly his agent has spoken :-

    The agent of Emmanuel Adebayor insists the striker has no intention of quitting the Gunners this summer.

    The future of the Togo international has been the subject of much speculation, with reports circulating that he is unhappy in North London.

    When asked by Observer Sport whether Adebayor would be leaving the Emirates Stadium, agent Stephane Courbis said: “No, no, it’s the same as last week.”

  290. Rasputin says:

    Hi rico – you hadn’t read my 12:48 then 😳

  291. rico01 says:


    Have you seen the news, an umpire has died after being hit on the head by the ball – thats just awful..

  292. rico01 says:

    Rasp – I am so sorry 😳 😦

    I did read back, but obviously not with my glasses on 😉

  293. London says:


    On the bench, is exactly where I expect Adebayor to be next season if he plays up. And, why not, he can’t exactly say “if you don’t play me then I am going to leave” because he has been given every opportunity already to do so and this is highlighted in Wenger’s last interview: “S’il n’a pas envie de rester, il partira mais je pense qu’il sera encore à Arsenal cette saison”.
    The reason this caused such a stir is because of Wenger’s choice of words they can only be interpreted as dismissive. “If he doesn’t want to stay, he will go but I think he will still be at Arsenal next season.” The second part is absolutely clear although the first bit could be translated in an even more dismissive way that’s to say “if he doesn’t fancy staying he will leave”.
    It is this comment from Wenger that leads me to think that he is not going to take any nonsense from him.


    The mistake I think people make is to assume that he is first choice striker (for this coming season). Why? I have used the metaphor before of the players being keys to undo the oppositions locked defences, so if the finesse of an Eduardo etc cannot open the lock then you bring on Adebayor, the blunt instrument, to bash the door down, he is still a useful tool to have in the tool box but not the necessarily the main one.

  294. Rasputin says:

    London – I only speak from experience, Ade has played every important game when he is fit since TH left irrsepective of his form or attitude. I don’t know how you can say that thus far, he hasn’t been first choice striker?

  295. avenell says:

    I think he is our first choice striker, as soon as he came back from injury Arsene dropped an in form Bendtner like a brick… I am hoping this year will be different but Arsene will keep plugging away with him to justify the pay rise he afforded him..

    Bench Theo and Ade as our plan “B”, unfortunately that’s 140k a week warming the bench and it won’t happen..

  296. avenell says:

    Sorry Raspno I was typing my comment…

  297. London says:


    I have just re- read what I have written and I cannot see where I have said that he hasn’t been first choice, could you enlighten me.

  298. London says:


    I have to go out. Ave if you don’t mind I would like to get back to you on that because I think we have hit the crux of where we see things differently. I feel like I am at the end of a chess game and I can see the winning move; I am trying to stay calm but I can’t stop myself getting excited 😉

  299. JonJon says:

    blunt instrument…haha i like that rasp…

    i refer to ade as a chocalate fireguard….a lead balloon….a solar powered torch…..

    i think ades wages also means that he becomes hard to drop….

    but if your in the 5th year of a trophyless era….and you know the fans are starting to want answers and success…and you have a player who is not doing it….you have no choice to drop him..its time to think about the team and not his favorites….

    wenger may want to sell ade…but he can only sell him if someone makes an offer…so we may yet see him at arsenal next season…

    but wengers not that dumb…he’ll know if ades not with it anymore he’ll have to drop him…no matter how much hes on because if he doesnt make the right choice this year wenger might be on the scrap heap with ase come the end of it..

  300. Rasputin says:

    Maybe I misunderstood London – it was certainly my inference. Was it that you were saying that if he stays, in the future, he won’t be first choice then?

    You’ve said the mistake people make is to assume he is first choice – therefore I deduce that if you think that is a mistake, you must believe the opposite?

  301. JonJon says:

    cana who????

  302. Rasputin says:

    I was at that game JonJon – I think even Flam was surprised at the quality of his finish – a bit of the Ray Parlour about it 🙂

  303. JonJon says:

    that was a great goal… watching those clips make me realise just how good he was…you dont see denilson doing any of those things…and the thing with flamini is that he was always a player with the energy and agression and drive…..the skills developed over time but he was always a good player and that season the two attributes combined and he was a fantastic midfielder….

    i just dont see it with denilson…

  304. avenell says:

    I like the kick that Rosicky took at him lol..

  305. rico01 says:

    I have just watched that clip – ok ok, maybe i could learn to love him again !

  306. JonJon says:


    ive just turned the telly on and the tennis is like 5million all

  307. JonJon says:

    6million and twelvetyeight all now…

  308. rico01 says:

    Survival of the fittest JJ

  309. JonJon says:

    roddick fell away didnt he…he was doing well but he tired…feel sorry for him..i like federer…but roddick deserved it more….im sure fed could have give him this one…

  310. rico01 says:

    JJ – I feel for him, he had a chance to go 2 sets to love up, but miss hit a shot and Federer levelled, great game, and it’s that old cliche – neither deserved to lose – but Federer hasn’t created history today as the winner of the most grand slams, that is still held by Martina Navratilova with 18 ! Federer is now on 15

  311. London says:

    Hello All

    I am back and calmed down a bit, Rasp I have re-read my comment and can see the ambiguity.

    I perhaps made the mistake of assuming that you had read my previous post at 2:04 which together with my 3:22 makes my point clearer.

    “The mistake I think people make is to assume that he is first choice striker. Why?”

    This is meant to refer to the coming season. I certainly agree that he has been first choice since Eduardo broke his leg but I see no reason why he is expected to be now that Eduardo is back.

    I totally and utterly disagree with the idea that just because one player gets a higher wage than another that Wenger feels obligated to select him. I cannot think of a single reason why this is the case. Wenger is not personally responsible for the wage negotiations, he didn’t agree personally to Adebayor’s wages, the board do not influence the team selection, so why on earth should Wenger give a jot what Adebayor’s wages are? Wenger’s remit is to win trophies.

  312. rico01 says:

    Our problem is that all of our strikers hit poor form last season, personally i don’t think Arsene knew who was his first choice striker

  313. avenell says:

    I don’t think the wages and picking him are directly linked, but Wenger must have been asked by the board if he is worth top dollar wages so he must of agreed.. then for Wenger to sit him on the bench undermines that decision, so he will play him to prove he was correct..
    and it is only an opinion from what I have seen of the season gone.

    It also causes problems with the new first choice players…. Bendtner saying “I’m playing ahead of you this week” and Ade saying “nah nee nah nee nah nah I’m on 3 times your wages I don’t care”..

  314. JonJon says:

    thats the thing that bothers me ave….

    you get players like ade whos on his wage then bendtners on his…the quality in player isnt that much but the wages are….

    then we get theo…..whos now on more than rosicky…but if rosicky is back next season theo wont play


  315. avenell says:

    To me it is a similar situation to the one Ferguson is in when he buys a player like Count Berbatov, “I paid £32 million and I had better play him.. even if I play my other strikers out of position”

  316. London says:

    Converastion between Bendner and Wenger

    Bendner to Wenger: Boss I want the same wages as Adebayor.

    Wenger to Bendner: score thirty goals this season and you can.

    Conversation with Bendner and Wenger over.

  317. London says:

    But Ave, SAF didn’t prioritise Berbatov. When he was throwing a strop SAF put him on the bench. SAF had the luxury of having back up last season, Wenger didn’t but that has changed 360 degrees this year, we have Eduardo back and they have Owen, I was trying to stop myself from laughing when I wrote the last bit.

  318. JonJon says:

    thats where fergies tossed it up ave….by buying berbatov hes unsettled tevez and lost him as well as ronaldo….and won a trophy less…..

    win win situation.. 😆

  319. avenell says:

    Bendtner back to Mr wenger

    “So if I score 30 goals in a season can I semi- retire until my contract runs out in the opponents half in an offside position as well?”

  320. London says:

    Our squad as it stands is big enough and strong enough. So long a Wenger doesn’t pander to Adebayor and effing Walcott then we will win the league.

  321. London says:

    Wenger back to Bendner: you can but you will find yourself on the bench until we can sell you.

  322. avenell says:

    Was that the same SAF who wouldn’t sell Real Madrid a virus.. mmm funny that a man of principle would have sat him on the bench and not just played him to increase his re-sale value..

  323. London says:

    This is going to be the second time I have defended Berbatov in a week, I am going to have to stop doing this. The mancs knew Ronaldo was leaving last season, it seems to me that Berbatov was bought more for this season than last.

  324. avenell says:

    London re 8.00 .. but like I said earlier, Mr Wenger dropped an in-form Bendtner to play Lazy Ade..
    I am with you on what I would like him to do, but last seasons actions suggests otherwise.

  325. London says:

    Adebayor’s first game back was against Wigan in which he scored two goals and good goals at that. The reason why I believe that this year will be different is that we have Eduardo back, this give Wenger the extra option he didn’t have last year, so if Adebayor is acting like a tosser it’s on the bench the same way as SAF sat Bebertov on the bench.

    I just don’t believe that the wage buck stops with Wenger. Wenger may agree to want to keep a player but then it is up to the board to get the most favorable deal possible for the club or as Rasp said this morning pay as little as they possibly can.

  326. avenell says:

    Haha London.. are we having a row?

    I cannot see the board just paying wages out willy nilly without Wenger getting involved, for instance what would Arsene say.. “just keep him at any cost”

    I would say it was more along the lines of “he wants a 4 year deal worth £75k a week shall we pay him that or can we buy in better or will another player come through?

    “Yeah pay him that”

    He has a degree in economics and I think the board trust his judgement on the finances..

  327. JonJon says:

    its driving me nuts i just want the season to start so i know whats going on… 😉

  328. JonJon says:

    fight fight fight fight…

  329. London says:

    No dear we are not having a domestic in front of the kids. Perhaps, we are too close to Arsenal so maybe using the mancs as an example might be easier. SAF obviously doesn’t have the time to negotiate every wage deal and he certainly wasn’t involved in negotiation Berbatov’s wages. The same applies to Wenger, he doesn’t negotiate the wages the fact that he has a degree in economics is irrelevant because it is not his money, anything past I would like this or that player to stay at the club has got nothing to do with him.

    The board might trust Wenger’s judgement but he does not negotiate the deals.

  330. avenell says:

    London.. I don’t think Mr Wenger negotiates the wages, (even less so now) but I do think he has a say (a large one)..
    Have one more say and move on.. 🙂

    Anymore news on Melo or Flamini deals?

  331. JonJon says:

    domestic in front of the kids… LMAO

    yeah we are selling diaby and denilson and bringing back flamini and melo….

    we are selling ade and theo and buying villa and sneijder….

  332. London says:


    This is an extemely interesting topic for me, so rather than answering now I would prefer to think about it, organise my thoughts, and give my reasons on another day.

    Are you really taking this Flamini coming back idea seriously?

    If Melo comes then Wenger is bloody serious about this coming season. I would interpret his arrival as the equivalent of Wenger saying I don’t care about the development of Denilson, Song, Eboue and Diaby, I want to win the league.

  333. London says:

    Ok Folks, I am calling it a night. I am not sure how I come across from your side, but I have thoroughly enjoyed today’s debate.

  334. JonJon says:

    it was all fine with me london….

    nothing wrong with a bit of rough as long as we can all stay civil…and civil it was i think…..

    wenger has to take this season seriously..he has no choice….

    to break up the invincibles and then go 5 years without years without silverware is proving his policy wrong to himself…..

    we’ll be all guns blazing next season….

  335. London says:

    We’ll be all guns blazing next season….

    Now that is a very civil way to end the evening 😉

  336. peachesgooner says:


    Can’t wait to be all guns blazing……. 🙂

  337. avenell says:

    Did someone say there is a civil war at a gunners site?.. 😉

  338. peachesgooner says:

    I loved that clip of the flamster – I’d love to have him back, he is just what we need to return to Wengerball – what about if we kidnap him and clone him…….simples 😉

  339. peachesgooner says:

    A civil war – a very civil war ….. 😉

  340. avenell says:

    Could have been the Bore war… 😉

  341. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry ave – been scrabbling, forgot you were there…. 😳

  342. peachesgooner says:

    ave – your comment at 12.10 has some very good questions in it – it must be a nightmare mulling over all those things when deciding how to get the best value for money from a player – however a player is different from a piece of machinery because there is depreciation and appreciation in value……….

  343. avenell says:

    Just looked back Peaches did you mean 12.11 or 12.20? they both are confusing now as I have been on Belgiums finest.. 🙂

    I was trying to explain badly that it isn’t just transfer values, but packages like Gareth Barry.. £11 mill to buy but £100k a week for 5 years is £25 million more add the transfer value thats £46 mill..

    With very little resale value if any..

  344. peachesgooner says:

    Sorry, I meant 12.20 – put the Belgiums finest down and go to bed we’ll have to continue this tmoro….. 🙂

    Nite nite xx

  345. avenell says:

    haha goodnight x

  346. rico01 says:

    Morning All

    Not much news other than Arsenal have (according to the paps) placed a 40M tag on Cesc – and they will sell if that is offered..

    Maybe it’s true, maybe its not, but I would have said 60M at least..

    Could be a strange old few weeks around the corner ….

  347. rico01 says:

    Oops – and Carlos Vela has been injured

  348. JonJon says:

    morning all

    rico…i’d be pissed if wenger told teams no when they enquired about ade and eboue and then let cesc leave….

    really pissed…

  349. rico01 says:

    Hi JJ, you and me both – if this is true the club must be mad to think 40M will keep other clubs away, Citeh would pay that as would Barca or Madrid -they should have just said ‘Cesc is not for sale at ANY price’!

  350. rico01 says:

    Going on from that – Is this coming fom the board and Arsene Wenger has no say in the matter ?

  351. JonJon says:

    sshhhhh rico…the news of the world are reading….we are exposing the club to negativity from within….

    i wonder if its got anything to do with rambo and jacky being given 90 year deals….

    even if a club does come in for cesc…we shouldnt sell…cesc is tied down for another 44 years….if he isnt happy…then we make him happy by selling the horseypoop in the team and buying a superstar for him to play with….

  352. rico01 says:

    JJ 🙂 Couldn’t agee more, we cannot sell our captain, again 😦

    Chelsea can though ….. 🙂 🙂

  353. rico01 says:

    Off for a while, catch you all later

  354. London says:


    This is just a long shot idea but if you go back to that place where they are so rude to you, how about asking them if they are interested in writing a guest headline post?

  355. avenell says:

    Morning London.

    I feel that is a bit premature, if anyone comes on and shows that they are capable of discussing Arsenal in a resonable manner then they would be very welcome, but unfortunatly I don’t feel they have earned the right to.

  356. London says:

    Fair enough Ave, just a long shot idea.

    Slow news day, today

  357. Irishgunner says:

    Morning all,

    Any news in the world of Arsenal?

  358. avenell says:

    Yes mate, just all the Fabregas crap all over again. Vela got injured. Hangerland has refused a contract extension mmm.

  359. Rasputin says:

    Hi Irish……

    It’s all gone very quiet – hence this b’shit about Cesc.

    A good bit of financial news…

    “Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea will benefit most from new EPL TV deal”

  360. Irishgunner says:

    Can’t we sue Barcelona or something – they are behind a lot of the Cesc stories. Laporta never shuts his big gob.

  361. Rasputin says:

    Hi ave, how’s it hanging? – we need a new post.

    I have an idea, but not the time to write it. Is there anything in the widget pipeline?

  362. avenell says:

    Nothing definate Rasp, there was a slight crusty bloomer that a certain “lady” may do one soon, that’s it..

  363. Irishgunner says:

    I could do a quick post if ye wanted or no-one else has one?

  364. Rasputin says:

    I’m all for that Irish …. I’m sure ave will feel the same – having a published author on the site 😛

  365. avenell says:

    Your very welcome Irish.. do you want to email it to me in word? Or you could send it to Peaches if she is about, I don’t mind being second best..

  366. Irishgunner says:

    😆 Rasputin

    Where do I send it to?

  367. avenell says:

    In fact that’s a promotion for me.. 🙂

  368. Irishgunner says:

    I don’t have your e-mail Avenell.

  369. avenell says:

    Irish.. I will send it to you now no probs.. You get your quill out..

  370. JonJon says:

    hi guys..

    london that was a good idea.. id love to hear there thoughts…

    but alas i agree with ave….

  371. Irishgunner says:

    Okay Avenell – I’ll go write now 😀

  372. rico01 says:

    Someone mention a ‘Lady’ – hello everyone 🙂

  373. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    The homing pigeon told me I might be needed but it seems ave, that you and irish are gonna sort it out between you……yes…… 🙂

  374. peachesgooner says:

    Hello rico 🙂

  375. avenell says:

    Rico when I said “Lady” I mean’t the term loosely.. I was talking about Peaches.. 😉

    Oh hi Peaches, I think we are sorted unless you want to do it..

    Irish email is sent.. 🙂

  376. peachesgooner says:

    ave – my youngest has set his heart on a Fiat Punto……have you had any experience of them……

    Might aswell get all the boring stuff out the way before a new post

  377. Irishgunner says:

    Got it avenell – I’m typing 😉

    I decided to go with the musical theme so as not to be an outsider 😉 – It’ll be ready soon.

  378. peachesgooner says:

    ave – 👿 👿 👿

  379. rico01 says:

    Well then ave – up yours!!

    Hi peaches 🙂

  380. avenell says:

    Fiats don’t tend to have a very good name, sporty but unreliable and the old ones used to rust.. poor resale value that reflects what people think..

    But there isn’t any real bad cars nowadays, the quality has equalled out a lot.. mainly people go with what they fancy..

  381. rico01 says:

    peaches – don’t touch them with a barge pole, they are too light and the head gasket goes on them – a real mechanic warned me off them last year …

    1-1 ave…

  382. avenell says:

    Crikey.. I have upset a two thirds of the females with one comment.. 🙂

  383. avenell says:

    Is Real Mechanic a football team?

  384. Rasputin says:

    Hi rico …. don’t let ave get away with that…. I hear Help The Aged has a very helpful legal department 🙂 😛 🙂

  385. avenell says:

    Is there a Athletico Mechanic?

  386. rico01 says:

    Hi Rasp,did you have a good experience with them ?


    ave – a real mechanic knows the front from the back 😉

  387. rico01 says:

    ave – I doubt it, mechanics aren’t known to be athletic 😉

  388. Rasputin says:

    40 : 30 to rico 😉

  389. avenell says:

    Name for New Post “Lady writer on the AR” 🙂

  390. avenell says:

    Haha Rico.. I do bodywork mainly.. We used to wind the mechanics up.. Anti clockwise.. Clockwise.. that’s all they have to remember undoing bolts..

  391. avenell says:

    Rasp.. not “Lady Paster on the AR”

    Sorry Rico I wasn’t going to but Raspno made me.. 😉

  392. Rasputin says:

    New balls please ……

  393. kelsey says:

    I didn’t know you played scrabble. new balls is easy 😉

  394. London says:

    Hi Jonjon

    I certainly understand Ave’s thought process; if I am honest, I was probably being a bit mischievous; because, if you think about it, they never talk about football. In fact they talk about anything but football, so it occured to me that the idea of them being offered to write something about Arsenal would have a disarming affect, a bit like the stereotypical robot that has information over load making sparks and smoke comes out of its head, as it repeats, no compute, no compute, no compute. Lol

  395. avenell says:

    I have got to go and do a bit of work.. 😦

    but i’ll keep checking my emails.. Oh and the blog for more insults.. every 20mins or so..

  396. avenell says:

    I liked the idea London.. but after the direct insults to a fellow supporter (and our friend) you have to have principles..

  397. rico01 says:

    ave will need new balls aftr his comments, I shall be contacting Mrs ave and ak her to do the deed on my behalf 😉

    Game, set and match 😛

  398. Irishgunner says:

    E-mailed you avenell

  399. avenell says:

    Rico.. the funniest bit it was supposed to be a compliment to you and a pop at the Peach.. 🙂

    Okay irish thanks..

  400. rico01 says:

    Don’t think you will wriggle out of it that easy Avenell!! 😉

  401. avenell says:

    Irish I have not received it… 😦 It may be ship wrecked somewhere in the Atlantic..

  402. avenell says:

    Rico.. all this wriggling in and out at this time of day.. it’s 😳 me!

  403. Irishgunner says:

    I’ll try from my other e-mail Avenell

  404. avenell says:

    Okay I won’t go anywhere..

  405. Irishgunner says:

    Okay sent it – if that doesn’t work I’m stumped

  406. rico01 says:

    ave 🙄

  407. avenell says:

    Yeah got it Irish thanks..

  408. Irishgunner says:

    Cool – hope its okay.

  409. avenell says:

    New Post!!! Press the home page.. 🙂

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