Tell me Lies…..Tell me Sweet Little Lies….

The phrase “Lies, damn lies and statistics” was originally coined by Benjamin Disraeli and later popularised by Mark Twain. Last season, more than ever before, statistics were being quoted to reinforce a view on players.

The simple rule by which most bloggers operate is that if a statistic supports your argument, it is relevant, if one is produced that disproves your argument, then those who oppose your view are fools for believing in statistics.

It is said that statistics can’t lie. They are pure mathematics – but are they relevant? There is a whole science dedicated to the study of statistics. Some statistics such as goals scored against goals conceded generally stand alone as something unequivocal. They do not have to be judged against any other criteria and are therefore relevant. Other statistics such as ‘successful tackles’ are only relevant when other criteria are taken into consideration. They are often produced to enforce a belief and may be of no significance at all – statistics that lie!

To create a balanced side, every player has to do his job, and of equal importance, complement and integrate with the rest of the team. This means that the contribution of a player like Gilberto could sometimes be overlooked. He seldom produced stand out performances, but he was a vital cog in the machine. Can statistics reveal something that the observer is unaware of?

Denilson’s stats have been the subject of most analysis this season. He has polarised opinions more than any other player. He’s the highest ranked Arsenal player in the OPTA stats showing him to be the best interceptor in the Premier League, the most accurate passer, fifth best tackler and the fourth most fouled player – yet a lot of supporters don’t think he’s good enough – see paragraph 2. We’ve all heard the ”OK he is the most accurate passer, but they’re all sideways” argument – and that is a relevant point.

Arsene himself used the goals scored against conceded stat to illustrate that our major weakness was in the defence last season and he has signed Vermaelen accordingly. He takes notice of statistics but I’m sure he only considers those he believes to be relevant. For many statistics that can be quoted there will be another which will prove the opposite case.

One stat that can’t be argued with is that Adebayor was offside 43 times last season which is nearly 4 times as many as the next player – RVP with 11. The ‘justification’ for this high figure could be that he often plays up front alone in a 4:5:1, but that doesn’t stand when compared to other premiership players who play in that position. The infuriating thing about that is that there is something that the player can do to improve on this (with the help of the coaching staff). If Ade even halved the number of times he was offside, we would have had 2 more whole games worth of attacking opportunities.

Just for the record, here are some stats from last season taken from Arsenal.com’s season’s review. I have taken a slightly different view of the figures and expressed them all in relation to minutes on the pitch – this throws up some unexpected names!

Goalkeepers:                                                                                                                                                                                                   Fewest goals per game – Almunia

Most saves per game – Fabianski

Distribution success – Mannone

Defenders : Gallas and Toure did well in every category but were not top in any….

Blocks – Sylvestre

Assists – Eboue

Bookings – Clichy                          

Clearances – Djourou

Interceptions – Gibbs

Pass success – Djourou

Tackles won – Djourou

Midfielders: strangely Denilson has the highest scores in many categories but not when divided by his minutes on the pitch.

Assists – Cesc

Successful dribbles – Theo

Goals – Arshavin

Completed passes – Nasri

Pass success rate – Ramsey

Shots on target – Nasri

Tackles success rate – Song

Strikers: –  this excludes Arshavin who would have come top in pretty much every category.

Goals – RVP

Minutes per goal – Bendtner

Assists – RVP

Successful dribbles – Ade

Offsides – Ade

Completed passes – Bendtner

Pass success – Ade

Shots on target  – Bendtner tied with Ade

So make what you will of those – have they reinforced your beliefs or are they just further proof that statistics are meaningless?

My favourite set of statistics at the moment is the new premiership table where we are in our rightful position…

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206 Responses to Tell me Lies…..Tell me Sweet Little Lies….

  1. Evo in Oz says:

    gday all

  2. Evo in Oz says:

    interesting write up Rasp – i bet if we had the time you could delve down and find out the true answers for why some of the stats have come out the way they have?

    For instance – Djourou – Pass success, tackles won and clearences – he hardly played that many games and i would suggest when he managed a run in the team for starts/subs – perhaps that was in the 2nd half of the season when gallas was injured and we went on that run of unbeaten games.

    We all know that run of unbeaten games included a massive amount of draws where goals were scored by both teams – which is unacceptable when going for the title – catches win matches as they say in cricket and draws certainly don’t win you the title – so I would hazard a guess to say that Djourou “allegedly doing so well in those 3 stats areas” is a misguided judgement on him doing well.

    He needs to do better, stay fit, dominate and be aggressive! I like the look of him, but to me, he hasnt proved anything so far, i want him to step up this season and prove his worth!

  3. Rasputin says:

    Morning Evo,

    I think that’s the point Evo – stats can lie. The obvious statistics are out there, so I thought I’d put a different slant on it, so everything I’ve listed is from the Arsenal site, but the stat in every case is divided by minutes on the pitch so it gives a kind of ‘efficiecy’ coefficient if you see what I mean.

    Personally, I think that some stats are a useful tool, but how many times have you watched a game and formed a strong opinion only to have someone quote some statistic to you that make you think you were watching a different game?

  4. chaf says:

    Very interesting Rasp

    Djourou doesn’t surprise me, but I’d trade 100 Denilson sideway specials for an assist.

    Stats can be very dangerous, and can back up ‘good spirit’ and ‘mental strength’ in times of woe.

    I think you can’t beat watching a game and having an opinion though.

  5. Rasputin says:

    Hi chaf – yep, that’s the way I see it too ……

  6. kelsey says:

    Morning Fleetwood Macrasputin,

    I am sure it took you ages to gather all this information, and well done to you,,and as you rightly say stats can lie.With todays technology there appears to be a stat for everything vaguely connected to a game that they sometimes get so carried away the the essence of the match itself is lost.

    The best example is based on the stats of possession,we would have won the league,but at the end of the days possession means nothing without the end result.

    I would like to see a stat as to how many shots we had from outside the penalty area that resulted in goals.

    Denilson’s stats are very impressive and in his case i am sure stats don’t lie,but because a player doesn’t stand out in a game,it doesn’t neccesarily mean he hasn’t been effective in a game.it is good debate but can be angled as to how you want to interpret stats.

  7. Evo in Oz says:

    morning rasp and chaf,

    yep i do like statistics also, especially if we have the top goal scorer and then another 2-3 guys with at least 15-25 goals also, much like back in the day when henry would win the golden boot and freddie, pires and whoever else would chime in with their bagful of goals for the season, that usually meant we had won the title!

  8. Big Raddy says:

    Good work Ras,

    Must have taken you ages.

    I disagree with Evo about JD. He is a ‘cultured’ player and I am not surprised that he tops the stats on tackles and pass success. Perhaps it is no coincidence that we went on the unbeaten run with him in the team. I see the future as a JD/TV combo. JD adds those extra few inches !!

  9. JonJon says:

    morning crew…

    interesting post rasp and very well said…i always find that our views tend to be the same on the majority of topics…

    ive always said that stats dont really interest me…the only stats i care about are the ones listed in the PL table… points, goals for and goals agianst…their the most important and thats why there in the table…

    thing is with stats is that there are alot of things the stats dont measure..e.g. desire committment etc…

    see, the thing is…denilson may have all these great stats…and his stats last season were probably better than flaminis the season before…but who was the better player for the team???? if we lost denilson this summer would we miss him like we missed flamini???

    probably not…

    at the end of the day individual stats mean naff all…this is a team game…the teams stats are more relevant IMO…

    im not shocked either about ades offsides…i knew they were excessive but i didnt know exactley how much…when you think about it hes one dumb footballer…and it really proves how much he actually needs the team and not the other way round…

    good post mate…

  10. rico01 says:

    Morning all…

    Nice one Rasp, and interesting that the next line in the song is

    Oh, no, no you can’t disguise
    You can’t disguise, no you can’t disguise

    But that is in my opinion what stats do, they disguise the ‘real’ contribution any player gives to the game week in and week out, but the human eye either watching on television or live, sees things so differently.

  11. raif says:

    stats.. i think stats are irrelevant in any agument,

    its just a cheap way to try and prove ones point.
    or in another way i like to put it..

    “Cheap Point scoreing”

  12. JonJon says:

    hi rico…

    thing is this is football..not science….i know footballs developing and science is used alot nowadays but at the end of the day its still football

    the difference being if you say alonsos a good player..he is a good player…

    same with essien, same with flamini, same with gilberto same with vieira….you dont need the stats to say they are quality players…

    with denilson you need to say hes quality because the stats say so…which is horseshit….

    according to the stats denilson is better than alonso and essien….????????? nah..dont think so…

  13. JonJon says:

    howdy raif…

    but raif…denilson IS better than alonso 😉

    no…i dont want to here your arguement raif…the stats say he is so they must be right…

  14. rico01 says:

    Yo JJ – Too true, Essien or Denilson alongside Cesc, it would take me less than a second to answer that one 😉

  15. rico01 says:

    Saying that, I would now prefer Song if we don’t get ‘that’ holding midfielder 😛

    Hi raif

  16. Rasputin says:

    Hi Kelsey, 😉

    One stat that always impresses me is the ground covered by some midfielders per game – I seem to remember that Flam and Cesc were the 2 hardest working midfielders in the season before last.

  17. raif says:

    JonJ..

    HAHAHA…

  18. rico01 says:

    RM are paying Manure 80M in one lump sum on Wednesday, blimey riley, I am off now to find the route that the van carrying the money is taking 😉

  19. Rasputin says:

    So- no Fleetwood Mac fans among you apart from kelsey then? 😛

  20. JonJon says:

    rasp…i always remebered when we beat milan at their place and cesc and flamini covered more ground than anyone else on the pitch…gattuso and his mate..think it was pirlo never even got close…

    and thats where we won that game…

  21. rico01 says:

    Me Rasp, Me, I loved them 😛
    Little Lies 1987 😉

  22. JonJon says:

    yeah i was laughing when i saw the title…i was just listening to that track on you tube 15 mins before i clicked on here…i couldnt believe it.. 😉

  23. rico01 says:

    JJ – exactly, but I bet stats wouldn’t reflect that, other than ground covered 😉

    Flamster did that week in week out didn’t he 🙂

  24. Rasputin says:

    That’s a brilliant stat JJ – if our guys are working that hard you can’t criticise them – but you know what the trainers say – let the ball do the work. You can cover a lot of ground chasing lost causes.

    I’d love to know, across a whole season, whether the teams that win – or the the team that loses, cover the most ground, and how close that statistic is? Maybe a team like Stoke cover more ground when they win because their ethos is based on hard work but a lack of quality, whereas manu may cover less ground than the opposition when they win…… does anyone know?

  25. rico01 says:

    One of my favourites is Tusk…

    Stevie Nicks has the most amazing voice

  26. Rasputin says:

    Sorry rico – I took it as a gimme that you’d love FM – how impressed were you with the Fleetwood/Fox combo introducing the Brits – one of the most cringeworthy pieces of television I’ve ever seen………

  27. raif says:

    so does anyone still feel we will sell Ade any time soon?

    i pray we do

  28. Rasputin says:

    Ade out – Veloso in would be good….. if he stays, I’m going to wipe my memory of last season and try to judge him only on his performances going forward.

  29. raif says:

    if Ade stays. i will be seriously pissed off. cos that means we will see the same shit as lastseason and the first part of the season before that before he started getting his shooting boots on. we need another striker that can complement our style better

  30. JonJon says:

    i think they both broke the 1000km mark rasp…

    nobody else did i dont think

    thats a good point you rasie rasp…

    i think stokes players do cover a shit load of ground…but its because they are defending and getting dragged all over

    i think a team like us…who especially bases their style on pass and move and quick countering will have/should have the same amount of figures…

  31. Big Raddy says:

    I am a big fan of Rhiannon by Stevie Nicks…. great guitar from Lindsay Buckingham as well. FM are due to play CPH this year, but I have seen them too often. The last occasion was at Wembley, when Stevie was singing then walked off stage (probably to ‘powder her nose’), and the vocal carried on – she was clearly miming. At that point I vowed never to see another stadium concert (apart from Bruce, of course)

    I think ADe will stay (my predictions are always wrong and perhaps this will help the Togonator on his way!).

  32. Rasputin says:

    I wonder if we do need another striker – if Cesc, AA, Rosicky, Nasri, Theo etc can all chip in with 8 – 12 goals each and we have RVP, Dudu and super sub Bendy to come on – that would provide enough goals to win the Prem….and we would be playing Arsenal football…

  33. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    Excellent post Raspno, did you have a bit of extra time this week? 😉

    More good news for Rico .. Fleetwood Mac are going to reform for a few gigs with Stevie N in the lineup..
    They were so uncool when we were kids, I never really appreciated there stuff until about 10 years ago..

    Jonjon. I was waiting for your reaction to Jacko dying as you like a bit of soul music.

  34. Big Raddy says:

    However, if Ade does stay, we have to change our style of play to allow him the time to stay onside. Playing on the shoulder of the CB using his strength and pace to turn him, is a result of our 4-5-1 strategy.

    If we go 4-4-2, perhaps Ade can learn

  35. Rasputin says:

    Hi ave,

    Yes, I’ve actualy had a totally wasted week off, didn’t get anything done except think about Arsenal 😦

    I’m going to be off soon to see if I can extend my amazing run of ‘not outs’ 🙂

  36. avenell says:

    Rasp.. That is how I live sometimes, totally unstructured days.. that is why sometimes I have to draw a line and just get some work done (at the expense of blogging) otherwise days turn into weeks and they can turn into months.

    At least you had a break from work.. 🙂

  37. JonJon says:

    hi avenell…

    many may not agree with me but i find his death disturbing and it lef me shellshocked….

    as i child my two loves were arsenal and michael jackson…i used to dance like him and have all his albums….

    i admired him in so many ways and although he may of been a tad wierd i think he was persecuted by the media and was a tortured soul…with every bit of genius their comes madness and he truly was a genius…

    when i heard the news i felt rather numb…like a part of my childhood was lost…

    i was a very sad day not only for the music industry but for the world but his memory will live on…

    anyhow…hows the strimming coming along?????

  38. chaf says:

    Morning all again.

    On Fleetwood Mac. I loved all their old stuff with Peter Green, but hated the fluffy stuff!

    My car was robbed this week, and the only CD they left was ‘Fleetwood Mac greatest hits’! (The one with Man of the world’ and Albatross etc) No accounting for taste in the underworld!

  39. rico01 says:

    Morning ave –

    Rasp – you know me too well – have a good game today, 50 no would be acceptable 😉

    FM have a big part to play in my life in one way or another, especially my career – I am hoping that Rasp’s post has a good omen to it 😛

    I may have to peep and see if they are coming near to me, I may just be a tinker and go see them 🙂

  40. avenell says:

    Another interesting statistic would be between the invincibles and todays team.. shots on and off target, and goals to chances ratio..

    I am sure we used to have about 25 shots in a game a few years ago.. if that is the case that would mean the strikers of today are more clinical.. Ade and Bendtner.. hahaha

  41. Big Raddy says:

    Lovely obituary JJ, one MJ would have been proud to read.

    I have had an unstructured life and can conceive of no other modus operandi !

  42. avenell says:

    Morning Chaf, Jon jon, Rico..

    Chaf.. crap news about your motor, I hope they didn’t do too much damage..

    Jonjon.. I thought that may of been your reaction.
    too much work to do strimming.. 😦

  43. Big Raddy says:

    AA’s shots per goal must be excellent

  44. JonJon says:

    the only fleetwood mac album i own is the greatest hits…thats why i didnt take chafs 😉 i think they are a great group…i dont know their names but i think the music is very soothing and i could listen to them all day…

    i was only young in their ‘heyday’ but ive learned to apreciate them as ive got older…

  45. JonJon says:

    AA is excellent.. 😉

  46. rico01 says:

    JJ – You could not have put that any better…

    MJ was just pure genius, a wonderful singer, dancer and entertainer – the whole world has lost after his passing

  47. chaf says:

    JJ – Thanks for leaving the album – How much did you get for my Mum’s Disabled Badge?

  48. Rasputin says:

    Chaf – Peter Gren….now you’re talking. He left John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers to join/form FM. He is one of those unique guitarists who could play a mucical phrase and you would identify it as him. There was amazing guitar work on The Green Manaliche which was really progressive for its time.

  49. chaf says:

    Rasp – He went bonkers in the seventies, must’ve been a regular at Highbury

  50. Rasputin says:

    Haha chaf – yes, its true that a lot of the most gifted guitarists are either mad, going mad or have gone to an early grave.Clapton’s one of the few that’s kept it all together apart from the odd heroin and alcohol addictions. I’ve met Jeff Beck and he’s pretty nuts too……….

  51. JonJon says:

    rico…

    the other thing that made him special was that he tried to help people…he wanted to make the world a better place and he used his position as a famous person to do it…not a lot of people do that…

    princess diana can be put in the same category for this….

    ok…he fucked up with having the kids over at his house….but alot of those kids where underpriviledged or had cancer or something….maybe he was trying to help but having so many kids over was an accident waiting to happen whether he did it or not i dont know…

    but if he didnt i hope those two people who put him through all that realised what they did….

    to be honest..if it was my kid…no amount of money would help with the pain….i’d want blood and chopped off balls…fuck the money…..so something was definately fishy about it all…especially after the 1st time…i could see the 2nd one coming a mile off….

    if it happened to me and i was innocent i think id go crazy too….

    but maybe im biased…

  52. Irishgunner says:

    Interesting read there Rasputin.

    Just a tad aside, having watched Melo closely in the Confederations Cup I wouldn’t be happy for AW to fork out €15mil on him. He isn’t the quickest and against South Africa lost out to the light weight Modise a lot. That and his passes are identical to Denilson’s. He may be slightly better than Denilson but not a lot in my opinion.

    RIP to a musical legend – maybe in death he will get the peace he never had in life. His body is dead but his musical soul lives on.

  53. JonJon says:

    Chaf…. 🙂

    honestly???? they stole a disabled badge???

    who steals a disabled badge???

  54. kelsey says:

    Rasp,

    Do you remember a Belgian band called Cock Robin(yes that’s their real name) about 1986 they had a couple of hits but were a ringer for Fleetwood Mac.)

  55. avenell says:

    I cringe at that clip on the news where Jacko hangs the kid off the balcony.. he even drags his/her leg over it..
    The parents should never have left there kids with him.. He may of had money but he was a stranger..

  56. Irishgunner says:

    My uncle is a very hard man to impress but he saw Jacko in concert in Cork in the late 1990s and he said till the day he dies he doesn’t think anything could match it for sheer genius and entertainment.

  57. Irishgunner says:

    That was his own son Avenell.

    Jacko did some crazy things but lets me fair to him, since he was five he was pushed into this limelight and treated terribly by his father. That guy never had a hope, he never had a childhood.

    Latoya is just as eccentric as Michael was, really their father should be a manual for how not to raise children.

  58. avenell says:

    Morning Irish.. I was just thinking that you are probably my closest neighbour on here..

  59. avenell says:

    Sorry Irish.. I should have seperated the paragraphs better.. Yeah I know, although there was no tests done apparently..

  60. rico01 says:

    Spot-On again JJ, I was very angry yesterday, at the parents ‘ of that child ‘ were the reason for my anger.

    He paid them off for some peace, and all it did was get others to ‘make up’ similar stories in a quest to become rich – it failed.

    Then there was no other option but a court case as those stupid families were only seeing £ signs…
    Like you, I would have broken to, mentally and financially – in fact many would have ended it for themselves there and then.

    The way some people speak, you would think he was found guilty – its utter madness… grrrrrrr

    So what if a gene inside him made him realise he needed/wanted to change ??

    I spoke to my neighbour who is 70 ish, all she said was that he was a bit weird and stuff – I reacted and I am not sure if she is still speaking to me 😉

    On a different note, has anyone seen the AFC Mag this month – Almunia is such a lovely guy – he keeps in touch and visits a lad in hospital with cancer, their birthdays are on the same day and before anything else that day, Almunia went to see the lad in hospital – he said he had to do all he could not to cry…..

    Off to feed the ducks, stay safe all

    Catch you later

  61. Irishgunner says:

    In a geographical sense?

  62. Rasputin says:

    Hi kelsey – I’ve only vaguely heard of Cock Robin, but I’ve just read that they reformed in 2006 so maybe I’ll get a second chance.

    On the Jacko thing …. its only when you listen to the back catalogue of his songs they have played over the last two days that you realise how they were the soundtrack to our youth…. the nostalgia is overwhelming….

    Talking of stats, someone said that he sold 3/4 of a billion records – I can’t see that ever being surpassed….

  63. avenell says:

    Irish.. I just had a look. You are only 200 miles away.. We just need a crow to fly on..
    Your near Limerick arn’t you? sorry if I got that wrong..

  64. JonJon says:

    yeah ave that thing with the balcony made me cringe abit too…but ive always had the theory that hes spent a lifetime on drugs…not illegal ones..but overdosing on the prescribed ones….

    hes never been a full shilling..the only place he was himself was on stage…but i think he was always destined to die early…i think the drugs have taken their toll and to be honset i think he was dying for the last few years…

  65. rico01 says:

    Hi kelsey & Irish

    How are the Gnashers kelsey ?

  66. avenell says:

    3/4 of a Billion records sold yet £400 million in debt.. He should have used Wenger and co accountants

  67. Irishgunner says:

    Avenell,

    I think Michael Jackson’s whole life illustrates the power of greed and the lust for money. He was surrounded by hangers-ons and those who just wanted to know and feed off the star he was.

    He virtually bought his two kids from his wife, the nurse. What kind of mother sells away custody rights for her kids?

    All them kids that went to Neverland and “slept over”, where were the parents? Why didn’t one of Jackson’s advisors put an arm around him and say “you can’t do this, it’ll only cause trouble for you”. Where were his advisors to tell him he was going bankrupt?

    Latoya was on Irish TV lately and she said the saddest thing. The interviewer asked her does she like just getting away from things and go off with her friends, she replied “I don’t have any friends. The people around me aren’t my friends. I just go shopping with my sister Janet”.

    Sadly Michael was the same I feel. He probably had some who did care about him but then there were muppets like Uri Geller hanging off him for the fame.

    People mocked him throughout his life and now that he is dead and their reasoning is often “Sure he had so much money and fame, how could he be unhappy?”

    What sad logic.

    Anyway, rant over!

  68. Irishgunner says:

    14 miles outside Limerick City Avenell

  69. Rasputin says:

    Irish – Uri Geller is a total w*****r. He is so transparent – he, along with many others with meaningless ‘careers’ to resurrect will be giving interviews about their memories of their ‘good friend’ Michael – its sickening.

  70. avenell says:

    Irish .. we are virtually Kylie and Jason then.. 😉

    That also just about sums Jacko up.. it is a shame but we can only be responsible for our own lives..

  71. JonJon says:

    rasp…

    i totally agree…and i like that phrase..the soundtrack to our youth…from the age of about 3-4 right up until my early teens MJ was a huge part of my life…ive even had the priviledge to see him in concert in leeds back in 92 i think it was…it was one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life..

  72. Rasputin says:

    Irish – I have been forming the same opinion of Melo …. I watched one game where he was very influential but subsequently Gilberto has outshone him. He’s 25 so we can’t expect his game to develop much further. If we’ve got 12m to spend, I think we could do better.

  73. JonJon says:

    i personally dont think he was skint…how can anyone who owns the rights to the beatles be skint…

    i think the concert was one last stand before he popped it and not because of money…hence my theory that he knew he was dying…

  74. JonJon says:

    re…melo…i dont think hes the player we need…hes like denilson with abit more experience….id rather take gilberto back

    veloso, veloso, veloso…

  75. Irishgunner says:

    Rasputin – Uri Geller must be one of the most infuriating pseudo-celebrities around. He claims to have all these powers what a numbskull. There is an Irish magician called Keith Barry who is now very big in America but I have been lucky enough to see him live twice and he is astounding what he can do. I was also lucky enough to meet him and I asked him about what he does and he said “I just learnt it from a book, I’m a chancer”. Then I asked him about Uri Geller and his reply was “idiot”.

    I like how last night Sky News wiped all comments by Geller as if they never existed.

  76. Irishgunner says:

    JJ and Rasp – Totally agree on Melo. Having watched him, he’s not good enough not so much better than Denilson.

  77. avenell says:

    Statistically if I ran as much as Flamini did in a match every day.. It would take me 37 days to reach the Emirates.. 🙂

  78. avenell says:

    How come Chelsea’s away kit is just a darker version of there home kit?

  79. Rasputin says:

    Statistically – If the Dagenham Girl Pipers were laid end to end, I wouldn’t be at all surprised… 😆

  80. Irishgunner says:

    That Chelsea kit is awful

  81. avenell says:

    Statistically I am going to be skint if I don’t do some work.. have fun!

  82. Rasputin says:

    Statistically, I hope to improve my average run rate today … so I’m off too…. catch up later

  83. Evo in Oz says:

    Sorry big rad but im yet to see Djourou win us a game or even be ‘best on ground’. I know he is young, but i would take Senderos any day on Djourou, so that says a lot. Perhaps this will be his season?

  84. JonJon says:

    i think JD has the edge over senderlump because of the difference in pace…

    both are good in the air and id say sendy reads the game better but his lack of real pace lets him down…

    i think if jd got a decent run of games his reading of the game would improve and we we have one hell of a defender…

    so we will see over time…

  85. Evo in Oz says:

    i dont think big centre halfs have ever been massively pacey – for me ill stick with Gallas-Toure and Vermaelen-Senderos as back ups. id probably take Song before Djourou until Djourou starts to dominate, then ill get on his bandwagon too 🙂

  86. Big Raddy says:

    Cock Robin. What an eclectic memory you have Kelsey !! I can only recall ‘Remember the promise you made’. I really liked that song.

    I have faith in JD, he needs to toughen up and looks short of confidence. A run of games will do him a power of good. But should Kolo/Gallas stay, there is little likelihood of that.

  87. London says:

    Superb post Rasputin

    Your best to date in my humble opinion. Totally agree with the sentiment; people use statistics to back up their arguments when it suits them. Your choice of examples is perfect: there are those who use statistics to try and show that Denilson is better than he is and there are those who use statistics to justify their negative views of Adebayor….it’s funny how that works.

    I saw an interview with Wenger in which he said that he used stats to help highlight things that he might not have realised but would make decisions based on what he saw and not what he read.

    Makes sense to me.

  88. kelsey says:

    Raddy,

    Spot on “Remember the Promise you made” was my favorite.I heard it on a local radio station in the summer of 86,when we were in Cannes and my wife was heavily pregnant at the time.I had one of those waterproof Walkman’s and bought the CD or whatever it was,and listened to it all day with my headphones on whilst in the pool.

    Rico,
    Thanks for asking.I had a few complications which put everything back 3 weeks,but on the mend.Hard eating through a straw on one side of your mouth.

    Talking about kits,has anyone seen the new newcastle away kit,BANANA YELLOW STRIPES, don’t have a link,but it looks awful.

  89. avenell says:

    Kelsey.. The geordies reckon the kit’s worse than the relegation..haha.

  90. kelsey says:

    Have you seen it Ave, if you have put a picture up.I think The Sun did a piss take on it.

  91. avenell says:

    Man U’s new home kit is awful too.. a big black V on the front..

  92. avenell says:

    Irish .. will the bleatcher report let you write a post for us? or have you signed a highly paid contract? 😉

  93. Irishgunner says:

    My contract with Bleacher Report would put Ronaldo’s one at Madrid to shame 😉

    I will certainly write one Avenell but about what I don’t know…

  94. London says:

    In view of the amount of time JD will be expected to sit on the bench this coming season, I reckon we are lucky to have him. Most players in his position would have asked for a transfer to a club that would guarantee him first team football.

  95. kelsey says:

    Irish, London, Hello,

    Here’s a fact might be worth researching.

    Since the PL startd 13 clubs have gone down 2 divisions and the only one to ever come back was man city.That is alarming in 17 years.

  96. Irishgunner says:

    Hiya Kelsey,

    That’s interesting, I never knew that. So Southampton and Leeds have the odds stacked against them?

  97. rico01 says:

    Afternoon all, so Newcastle are set to take the slippery road towards the Blue Circle league – hoorah 😉

    Still think we should try and get Taylor on the cheep cheep 🙂

    Citeh are meant to be coming in with an offer this week for Kolo – surely he won’t leave us… will he 😦

  98. avenell says:

    Psst Rico read kelseys 2.29… x

  99. kelsey says:

    more like where are my teeth 😉

  100. rico01 says:

    ave – what are you on about please 😉 I have been naughty but just in fun honest 🙂

    kelsey – that’s poop for you, but good to hear you you are on the mend 🙂

  101. London says:

    Hello kelsey

    I found this joke hidden in one of the links that you posted. It made me laugh so I thought it was worth reposting.

    the joke Twittered by Gavin and Stacey star Matthew Horne: “Earlier today I saw a Newcastle season-ticket nailed to a tree. I thought ‘I’m having that!’ ‘cos you can never have enough nails, can you?”

  102. rico01 says:

    All quiet, so night night all, stay safe

    peaches, if you are reading – hope you are ok, just remember he will never be forgotten by many of us 😦

  103. kelsey says:

    http://clockenders.com/afc/?p=2445

    This may interest Rico and rasputin

  104. Rasputin says:

    Evening all,

    London – thanks for your generous comments

    Night rico – “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow” 🙂

  105. Big Raddy says:

    An excited Big Raddy this morning.

    Today I leave these barren, shivering shores for the balmy warmth of the Med (actually it is very warm here, and we are due a heatwave!)

    6/7 weeks of mountain walks and swimming in clear, cool lakes. Lazing under olive trees, drinking local wines and eating home grown food.

    So my fellow Roadsters, BR wishes you a wonderful summer, filled with new signings and few departures. A number of scintillating victories and of course, the Ashes victory.

    Rico/Ras. I rely on you to wind up our Ozzy friends.

  106. London says:

    Morning BR

    You can’t just leave like that and not tell us where in the Med you are going…the not knowing will kill us…well it will kill a nosey person like me. Lol. Where, where, where?

  107. Big Raddy says:

    London.

    One of the very few good life decisions I have made was to buy a house in a tiny medieval village in Italy.

    In the Alpes-Maritimes National Park, 20kms from the Italian Riviera, 45 mins from Monte Carlo and yet in total tranquillity. The view South from my terrace is of virgin chestnut forest spotted with olive groves, and to the North is the craggy peaks of the Italian Alps – magic.

    There are no roads in the village which is at the confluence of two mountain rivers, hence the only sounds are running water, birdsong and the church bell.

    Jealous?

  108. London says:

    Very

  109. London says:

    In view of how I interpret the way the majority of Roadsters think, then I would imagine today we are definitely looking through the big round sunny window.

    If you go to the Newsnow page it is full of stories declaring……. ADEBAYOR OUT, BENZEMA IN.

    I was a bit surprised to read that Milan have confirmed that they are in talks with Adebayor; I have been in the firm belief that he wouldn’t be going anywhere which was probably the reason for my persistent defence.

    If you wear the glorious red and white shirt, this gooner will always be here to defend you.

    But things have changed, I now believe that he is leaving — to wear the shirt of another — this breaks the bond.

    On the subject of Benzema I wrote last week that I didn’t see it as a forgone conclusion that he would go to united, thanks Rico for your understanding comment that day.

    I mean…Manchester verses London or the opportunity to play with all your French speaking mates, verses trying to talk to Rooney…no, signing for the mancs was never a forgone conclusion.

    Slight change of subject: all those who think Theo is ready to take on a more central attacking role are going to get an opportunity to see just how much he has progressed when he plays the central striker in the under 21 final on Monday…he has to because he is the only option: all the other possible options are banned. I am a doubter, so it will be interesting to see who is right.

  110. London says:

    I’m trying to write about football but I can’t stop thinking about being in Italy…..BR do you rent it when you are not there?

  111. Big Raddy says:

    Yes London

  112. kelsey says:

    I will give you my version London,if i may. I think he is the most dispruptive player at the club, and Wenger let him hold the club to ransom,after one good season.i read he was caught offside 43 times last season, he is not liked by a number of the teamand that in itself is not good for “bonding”.

    I think Wenger realizes he made a mistake with him,and will unload him,most probably to Italy IF he can replace him with someone at the same fee.
    it’s not a case of his ability or lack of it,I think he honestly believes he is a world class player and believes his own hype.
    Ihave seen many poor players at the Arsenal,and fortunately some truly great ones but he is a one off which IMO would greatly benefit the club if he left.It’s all about opinions,but I am told by many that go to matches that his antics of last summer will never be forgiven.

    We may not agree but that is the whole point of debate.

    Raddy have a wonderful time in the tranquility of your home in italy,you never know you might get to see Adebayor 🙂

  113. kelsey says:

    Anyone see Crosby,Stills and Nash and Neill Young at Glastonbury last night.Brought back shed load of memories.
    Apparently Springstein usually demands a million a gig,but did this one for 100000 but it was on too late for me.

  114. London says:

    Morning Kelsey

    I am always happy to debate these things with you but you know what I am like by now, so please do not take offence if I doggedly argue my corner.

    1 Is Van Persie holding the club to ransom by not signing a new contract? Answer, no, he is negotiating a new contract. And yet you and many others hypocritically castigate Adebayor for doing exactly the same thing this time last season.

    2 Adebayor was offside 43 times last season! Using statistics to back up a view when it suits is absolute hypocrisy. Read above.

    3 Adebayor believes in his own hype: the man has scored 45 goals in two seasons in the most difficult league in the world that is not hype that is a fact.

    Could he do better? Of course he can.

    I am in minority of one on this site: I go to the games, always have done. I went to every single game last season and I expect to do the same this coming season. That is not to say that I believe that I am a better Arsenal supporter than anyone else on this site but I am different, in as much that I am in a position of having to ask myself what is the point of continuing to go week in and week out if I do not try and find the good in the players who wear the glorious red and white when I take to my seat and they take to the field?

    The answer is that there is no point, you might as well stop going because you are no longer enjoying the experience. Or as Frank would say “you have lost the magic.” What I don’t do is whine day in and day out from Thailand.

    Was Adebayor disruptive last year? From the point of view of the club, yes he was. I am sure they regard all negotiations as being disruptive and would love return to a time when they could hold players to ransom.

    From the days when Joe Baker had to go on strike for the right to earn more than £100 per week negotiations have moved on. Adebayor, like Van Persie are simply the beneficiaries of this advance.

  115. Irishgunner says:

    Morning all,

    I normally don’t believe rumours but Benzema 😯 He’d be awesome.

  116. peachesgooner says:

    Morning all

    Still crying every time I hear a Michael Jackson song but I’m managing to smile too and have watched some videos that I’d forgotten about. Those videos were amazing – ‘Remember the time’ with Eddie Murphy as Pharoah………

    I can’t find the video with the kids being the gangsters – ‘Smooth criminal’ I think.

    Raddy – have a lovely time in your divine sounding Italian home – don’t miss us too much 😀 xx

    Back later xxxxxxxxxxxx

  117. peachesgooner says:

    Hi Irish – have you got everything crossed for Benzema 😆

  118. London says:

    Morning Irish

    I will probably get told off for this but you have my respect for defending your corner so well against an unprovoked attack and getting the last word it….no mean feat.

    And back to more important things…yes Benzema would be awesome and could very well unite us once again.

  119. Irishgunner says:

    London – Cheers and I won’t be going back. I can take many a thing and been called many a name but never something as idiotic and vile as that.

    Peaches – Yes, ha ha. Its probably a load of rubbish but its in the Times and I love Benzema so I believe it 😀

    I have Jacko on loop too.

  120. Irishgunner says:

    The video with the kid gangsters is “Black and White” Peaches, it is where Malculy Culkin (excuse the spelling) does his rap bit.

  121. kelsey says:

    London,
    nothing wrong with your case,it’s just that IMO the club would be better without Adebayor. I am quite reasonable in my judgement of players,though I admit not going to games anymore and only watching on TV can throw a totally different perspective on play,positioning and off the ball work rate and football intelligence,as the screen invariably follows the ball.

    I have formed a personal dislike for Ade from what I have seen and from what I have read and quotes attributed to him and his agent.

    I will tell you a true story about him.A few weeks ago he went to a Fashion show in london,and acted as the “big I am”.Friends of mine were exhibiting there, and several people asked him for his autograph,he refused all of them,as his prime focus was to chat up a few of the models.he got a total blank from them all, did a huff and a puff and stormed out of the building.

    This may have been a one off occasion,who knows.But I am sorry I can’t warm to him,and never will,even if he was to win the CL for the club.You will not change my mind,but I respect your point of view,but in all the years I have followed the gunners not one other single person has made me feel like that.

    This is my opinion,not one of any site,as I would say the same thing on Frank’s site,but I most probably would get abuse,so I don’t bother. To me i am just as much a supporter as the next man, I just differ on my views about this one person.If we all had the same opinion,life would be boring,wouldn’t it.
    Finally, if Ade had been playing for us some 15 or 20 years ago(before the Internet) most or nearly all we hear and read would never be reported and we would be no wiser,and i would just say i don’t rate him,period.

  122. kelsey says:

    Listening to a lawyer in L.A The Jackson Estate will be worth still over 2 or 3 hundred million dollars.Something to do with Sony/MJ buying the Beatles portfolio in the eighties which is now worth a billion dollars.i am sure London knows ore than e about that.He still has a share in ner land and of course there will be a surge in record sales.

    I was previously under the impression he has in deep debt.

    Here we can discuss anything as the rules say so, so if anyone wants to talk about MJ, here would be more appropriate than elsewhere.

  123. JonJon says:

    hi crew…

    irish, i thought the video with the kid gansters was bad on moonwalker??

    i see ive walked into the great ade debate????

    we all know where i stand on ade, i agree mostly with kelsey, and i’d like to add we would be a better team without him not only in the dressing room but on the pitch too, the attitude, the offsides the laziness, we must miss out on so many more chances when he plays..

    london i totally agree that when somebody dons the shirt we should get behind them 100%….

    but if that player doesnt respect the shirt himself then how can the fans respect such a player…

    not only did he hold the club to ransome but he went public with it and there where other clubs involved…

    the difference with ade and robin is that with robin he isnt using another club as leveridge….he wants assurances on trophies…nothing wrong with that….

    ades a tosser and i wouldnt mind but he aint even that good….he played in a good team 2 seasons ago and it showed….as soon as that team broke up he struggled….

    he isnt worth 80k a week as a player and he isnt worth my support as a player or a person…

    the sooner hes gone the better….

  124. Irishgunner says:

    I think MJ was in debt to some creditors but I think that is in regards to hard cash.

    When you take into account his music royalties and the back catalogues he owns he probably still died a relatively wealthy man.

    As long as his three kids are looked after the rest is up to the banks and creditors.

  125. Irishgunner says:

    Afternoon Jon Jon – maybe there is another video. I was watching a tribute show to him last night on BBC and there were kid gangsters in “black and white” as well, but only for about 20 seconds so it must be another video.

    My take on Adebayor is simple:
    If he stays and works hard and keeps his big gob shut then no problem but if its a repeat of last season then best sell him now while he has a decent sell on price.

  126. London says:

    Fair comment Kelsey, I admire your honesty to admit that your dislike is probably more personal than anything else. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

  127. JonJon says:

    kelsey….

    i said on here yesterday i think that MJ was never in debt…how can anyone who sold billions of albums and have the royalties not only on his own music but on the beatles too, be in debt…

    i think he lost alot of money in the court cases but it wasnt enough to bankrupt him and when he sold neverland the media took it as he was skint….i took it as he never wanted to see that place again after what happened and who’d blame him…

    then when he announced his new tour dates the media again said he must need the money….it was more like he knew he was dying and he wanted one last farewell….

    MJ wasnt skint…not one bit

  128. JonJon says:

    irish…

    if you ever get the chance to watch moonwalker, a video MJ made after the bad album you should do if you like MJ…

    the actual bad video in the film has kid gangsters and MJ is played by a kid…its a good story…i watched it alot as a child…i no longer possess it but im off into town later and im going to try and find it…

    i’ll try and find it for you on you tube irish.. 😉

  129. Irishgunner says:

    Excellent Jon Jon thanks, I have it loading 😀

  130. JonJon says:

    check him out a few years ago irish, rooling the clock back 😉

  131. Evo in Oz says:

    gday all, anyone read that RVP interview, i thought it was quite a good insight into his life at this stage of the game!

  132. Irishgunner says:

    His dancing is/was sensational.

    Just back to Arsenal, I saw the new jersey up close on Friday for the first time and I’m not too sure do I like the shade of blue. It looks like one of those jerseys that needs a number and name on the back.

    Evo – I loved RvP’s determination in the interview.

  133. JonJon says:

    watch the robot irish

  134. JonJon says:

    hi evo…

    ive just read the interview and its want you want to here your players say isnt it… i wasnt sure about robin but i am now and i have high hopes for him next season

  135. Irishgunner says:

    The moonwalk is the shizzle 😀

    Best song from Michael? For me its “Billie Jean”, the opening few beats are ace.

  136. Rasputin says:

    Hi Irish …. you are quite right, Billie Jean has the best intro of any song I can think of and “Beat It” has one of the best guitar solos (Eddie Van Halen)

  137. JonJon says:

    Billie Jean was excellent irish, it was the video i played over and over and learned the dancemoves to…

    my mum entered me in comps when i was a kid and i got a few trophies….i used to put the plasters on my fingers and everything…what a geek… 😉

    best song for me though is dont stop til you get enough….

    the off the wall album is amazing, its overshadowed by the success of thriller and bad but its underrated as a musical masterpiece.. 😉

  138. JonJon says:

    Rasp the guitar solo on beat it is what got me into playing guitar…its fantastic…all this nostaglia is killing me…ive been trying to stay away from everything MJ too… 😦

  139. Rasputin says:

    I didn’t know you were a guitarist JonJon …. what do you play. I sold my 37 year old Fender strat (cream, with Rosewood neck a la Jeff Beck) on ebay last year out of necessity – it broke my heart 😦

  140. JonJon says:

    rasp…unfortunately i never learned to jam with an electric 6 string…im more of an acustic man..

    i like my soft rock.. 😉

    the eagles are big heros of mine… like oasis…. 😉

    im not the greatist in the world but i can but a few chords together… 😉

    i gotta pop out for a bit guys but il be back later…

  141. Evo in Oz says:

    yep great interview by RVP

    i still have the ‘off the wall’ and ‘thriller’ albums on cassette somewhere?

  142. Irishgunner says:

    “i used to put the plasters on my fingers and everything…what a geek… ” – ha ha excellent 🙂

    The first every t-shirt I got of a celebrity (that wasn’t “By Little Pony”) was of Michael Jackson. I was staying at my godparents when I was about 4 and I fell out of the bed and wouldn’t stop crying cos I bumped my head so my Godparents’ son who would have been about 12 gave me his Michael Jackson “Bad” t-shirt he had and I was like a pig in muck wearing it for the rest of the week.

  143. rico01 says:

    Afternoon Tinkers 😉

    Billie Jean was a one of the all time greats, both for MJ and for tennis 😳

    So Benzy Boy has said he would rather join us than go to Manure or Madrid.

    I hope Milan fail in their bid to get Dzeko, because then they will come for Ade. We get 20M and then add a few pennies and make the move for Benzy…

    kelsey – thanks for the Rocky link.

  144. rico01 says:

    Raddy, you have probably started your journey by now, but I hope you have a safe and fantastic time…

    As for the Ashes, for sure, I will be having some friendly banter with Evo and GG 🙂

  145. Irishgunner says:

    Afternoon Rico,

    This Ashes thing is coming up next week is it?

  146. rico01 says:

    London – I am one of many who shout for Theo to be played as a striker, and tomorrow will be very interesting. I hope he plays a blinder, and grabs a few goals.

    But then on the other hand, should he shine in that position tomorrow and we do sell Ade, Ebenezer Wenger surely wouldn’t consider buying Benzy boy –

    Is this going to be a transfer season where we finally get that ‘big name’ in?

  147. Irishgunner says:

    We got “big name” Arshavin in January, we are a greedy lot 😀

  148. Evo in Oz says:

    yep fire up the cricket big time!

  149. rico01 says:

    Hi Irish – 8th July is the first test, I can’t wait.

    Anyone following Wimbledon, and Mr Murray’s progress – I honestly think he will lose to either Hewitt or Roddick in the semis

  150. rico01 says:

    Irish – big name, but he is very small 😉

  151. rico01 says:

    Evo – I reckon it’s going to be a great series, and a close result. Just hope the weather here stays fine, I hate when 1/2 days get lost with rain or bad light…

  152. Irishgunner says:

    😆 Rico on Arshavin

    I haven’t been following Wimbledon this year. Is Murray another Henman you think?

  153. rico01 says:

    I think he is better Irish – I used to feel sorry for Tiger Tim, year after year before Wimbledon he was ‘bigged’ up by the gutter press, so much pressure on him – and when he was beaten, the same gutter press turned on him, it must be hard carrying such weight on your shoulders..

    Murray seems a bit stronger mentally, almost arrogant and doesn’t seem to let the press get to him.

    Murray is a bit of a baseline player where as Henman would serve and volley at every oportunity, so itas hard to tell which one is the better at their game..

    I wish Nadal was playing, he is the ‘perfect’ player imho 🙂

  154. Irishgunner says:

    Nadal not playing gives everyone else a chance. A tennis final that doesn’t involve Nadal vs Federer 😯

    Last year’s final was fantastic though.

  155. rico01 says:

    It sure was Irish, one of the greatest, I supose it’s going to be an all Williams ladies final – yawn yawn

  156. Irishgunner says:

    They have dominated Women’s tennis for so long. They’ll probably win the doubles as well.

  157. rico01 says:

    I am bored of them – can’t take to either very well 😦

    Eto and Tevez are going to Citeh then, can’t believe it

  158. Irishgunner says:

    Is it official?

    City aren’t doing too badly in the transfer stakes are they?

  159. rico01 says:

    Not official yet Irish, but appears all but a done deal for both – they are doing very well buying everyone, another chelsea looms I guess – at least they still have a dreadful manager – at the moment anyway, I reckon Jose will end up there by Christmas

  160. rico01 says:

    Off for a while, got Judge John to watch 😉

  161. Irishgunner says:

    Compared to Chelsea, Man City have a good youth academy and bought players about 25ish like Robinho, De Jong, Kompany etc that could stay at the club for a few seasons.

    Chelsea just bought whoever was the flavour of the season in various leagues and the best are those that are now getting old – Drogba, Ballack etc and the younger players don’t want to join them.

  162. kelsey says:

    If Murray wins Wimbledon he is british,but if he loses he is Scottish. He has made the great divide himself on countless occasions that he is first and foremost Scottish.

    There is no love lost between him and the LTA as they didn’t have the foresight to put him through the system(as with Henman,who was also rejected,but picked up by David LLoyd)and Murray’s mother did all the hard work.

    Glad you picked up that charity cricket match rico,hope Rasp saw it,it’s quite nearby.

  163. London says:

    Does anyone fancy a new post or is it a bit early?

  164. avenell says:

    Hi London.. will it keep until the morning? I don’t think anyone else has one..

  165. London says:

    Hi Ave

    Yeah, it can keep, no probs.

  166. avenell says:

    Good man I will put you in the widget..

  167. London says:

    Does that hurt 😉

  168. peachesgooner says:

    I thought you wanted me to read it – am I to be a russian spy too….. 😉

  169. peachesgooner says:

    Whats the world coming to – I’ve just found the footie and USA are 2 up ………..

  170. rico01 says:

    2-1 now peaches – helloooooooooooooooooooooo

  171. rico01 says:

    And should be 2-2 now

  172. rico01 says:

    2-2 then, only one winner now 😉

  173. peachesgooner says:

    Helloooooooooooooooooooooo

  174. peachesgooner says:

    I think you’re right rico – and as I type those words Brazil score 😉

  175. kelsey says:

    just watched a repeat of the boss, not bad for 60,hope for us all.

    I am giving dog advice on the other channel.A free consultation no less.

  176. kelsey says:

    Good night everyone 🙂

  177. rico01 says:

    Nighty Night all, stay safe 🙂

  178. peachesgooner says:

    kelsey – I wish I had a dog so that I could benefit from your wealth of experience……. 😉

  179. rico01 says:

    Morning all – animals fed and I am off back to bed, no news around just yet other than the Ade stuff – maybe this week eh ?? 😉

  180. kelsey says:

    Morning all,

    expected signings this week,Eto and Tevez to City.

    My take on Ade is if the right offer comes in and we can buy another striker at about the same price,he will go, otherwise he will remain at the club.So i am not holding my breath on that one.

  181. rico01 says:

    News is that Cana has been told he can leave Marseille if he wants to.

  182. rico01 says:

    Oh, and Milan have failed to strike a deal for Dzeko, just maybe they will now want the offside pony 😉

  183. rico01 says:

    I’m all alone 😦

  184. rico01 says:

    Hello JonJon – good to see you, how’s tricks ??

    I am looking forward to a new signing this week, all cup competitions are over and I am feeling quite confident 😉

    Melo is heading our way along with Benzema and Ade will be sold to Milan –

    Odds are 100000000000/1 – I have a 50pence bet on it 😉

  185. JonJon says:

    morning my dear…im fine how are you?

    i’ll tell you what i think..i think we are selling ade to milan and bringing flamini back as part of the deal…hleb will come back for half the price as cover for rosicky and we’ll push AK47 upfront and wont buy a striker. 😉

  186. peachesgooner says:

    Morning

  187. peachesgooner says:

    JonJon – that sounds like the best plan…… 🙂

  188. rico01 says:

    I am not too bad thaks JJ 🙂

    That’s a cunning theory, but I would rather not see Flamini or Hleb in an Arsenal Shirt ever again. Both left for money, and it has severely backfired on them…. Good 😉

    In cover for Thomas, do you mean Hleb will be in the sick room 😉

    Morning peaches

  189. peachesgooner says:

    Hi rico – hope you’re well.

    I’ve been wandering in my garden and need a shower, catch up in a bit……

    Better check my emails first…….

  190. JonJon says:

    morning peaches…i havent spoken to you in a while i hope everytings ok.

    i wouldnt mind flamini back rico..i hold no grudges towards him…plebs a different story but for a cut price deal his return would add extra strength to our squad…and we all know what he can do with the ball at his feet…for the good of the team i wouldnt begrudge his return…same with reyes…

  191. JonJon says:

    is london about…im really looking forward to his post…

    are you about london??

  192. rico01 says:

    put it like that and i can understand where you are coming from 😉 I liked Reyes, just a shame he was such a wuss ! 😛 Oh and Henry’s scowl got to him 😉

    Valencia’s move to Manure is imminent according to breaking news on SSN’s

  193. JonJon says:

    see how the mighty can fall rico…one minute they have ronaldo and tevez and the next they have valencia the superstar..16mil is it??

    hahaha…i wouldnt pay 10 for him…

    i think manure will struggle next season..i think ronaldos departure will have the same impact the paddys did for us…

    transition is upon manure and we must strike now while the irons hot…which is why im hoping wenger has some suprises up his sleeve in the coming days..

  194. rico01 says:

    Well said JonJon, well said 🙂

    Citeh will be awesome if the get Eto, Tevez and a new Manager 😉

  195. London says:

    Give me 5

  196. London says:

    New Post, I still love writing that.

  197. rico01 says:

    Hi 5 London 😉

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