Grrrrr

Morning Roadsters

I have only done this because comments took so long to appear – I think it was due to the video show which made us all chuckle – just what the Dr ordered..

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146 Responses to Grrrrr

  1. rico01 says:

    What a thought provoking post rico, you must do many more πŸ˜‰

  2. rico01 says:

    huff huff, its not a lot better..

    I think the site is running on ‘Ave time’ – very similar to ‘Greek time’ πŸ˜‰

  3. peachesgooner says:

    I agree rico, with rico……what an excellent post πŸ˜‰

    Morning

  4. peachesgooner says:

    rico – are you still there

  5. rico01 says:

    When will Big Tony learn to keep quiet, his comments about Arsene and the board should have been kept to himself, rather than be ‘quoted’ in the Daily Mirror – and what about him going to Celtic as Manager, I can’t see that happening personally…

    Matuidi – this rumour is gathering pace this morning, I wonder if we will sort this out as quick as City did Barry – mmm – No πŸ˜‰ Would much rather it Cana or Alonso, or as many ‘greedy’ ones would suggest, both πŸ˜›

  6. rico01 says:

    Good Morning peaches, thank you for your kind comments πŸ™‚

  7. rico01 says:

    peaches, are your comments showing any quicker ? Mine seem to be now

  8. peachesgooner says:

    Do you think its sour grapes because Arsene hasn’t offered him a job.

    We had a Veloso love-in on here last night…..did you see

  9. rico01 says:

    How are your Gnashers this morning peaches 😦

  10. peachesgooner says:

    Mine are speeding through now

  11. peachesgooner says:

    Look 2 in one minute

  12. rico01 says:

    I did πŸ˜‰

    He has supposedly been scouting for us since he got the sack from Pompey, not sure he is the man for that, unless he has been asked to find a defender πŸ˜‰

  13. peachesgooner says:

    My teeth are fine this morning, my jaw aches a bit where – and I don’t know how – they got the old pin out…….ouch 😦

  14. rico01 says:

    Wow, thats speedy πŸ™‚

  15. rico01 says:

    That would be great peaches – I am out this morning for a couple of hours, and this afternoon I have to go to the – can you believe it – the dentist – lost a filing 😦

    I will do my best

  16. rico01 says:

    beat you to it πŸ˜› πŸ˜‰

  17. peachesgooner says:

    Blimey, what with me and kelsey and now you, this is like the Dental help-line πŸ™‚

  18. kelsey says:

    morning,traight to the point rico,concise and it was taking an eternity to get on.

    here are my thoughts for today.

    The common denominator with Barry moving to City and the not yet quite confirmed signing of Kaka to Real Madrid, is of course money.
    In Barry’s case,he quite clearly stated that he wanted to play CL football, and of course by joining City that is no guarantee for the season after next or in fact at any time in the future.,when he will be 30 and two years through his five year contract.
    In the case of Kaka it is reported his net salary will be 9 million euros per annum,remembering that their is a special tax band of 100000 euros maximum to foreign players in La liga.

    Where does that leave Kaka in footballing success terms.Will Real Madrid suddenly overtake Barcelona as La liga champions, the same Real Madrid who were comprehensively beaten by Liverpool in the CL,I doubt it very much.

    Then we here that Alonso is on his way out of Liverpool,where would his preferred choice be,Arsenal or Real Madrid ?

    There are only a certain amount of players that become available every season, and the going rate for players in demand is out of all proportion,especially in these recession times.It narrows it down to maybe only a handful of clubs who can offer the terms as those offered to Barry and Kaka.

    Where does that leave us ? ,you know what I haven’t a clue.Are we suddenly going to pay over the odds or the current rate for players or is Wenger really telling us the truth that he believes in the squad as it is of now,and he will not be selling anyone unless the right offer comes about,and then who will he buy as a replacement.In January Toure wanted to leave, now he states that the players must stick together,the key word being stability.

    many of us know the frailties in the side,but will Wenger really address them.

  19. rico01 says:

    Mine’s not so bad honest, just a replacement, and no pain, so i am lucky – your poor devils though 😦

  20. kelsey says:

    All good things come in three’s or have i got that wrong.Well at least we won’t get any more groin strains.

    Suggestion:

    Do the authors not feel that their avartars are a bit on the large side ?

  21. rico01 says:

    It can only be money, greedy gits πŸ˜‰

    I am glad Toure has come out about stability, I for one can understand his reasons for wanting to leave in Jan and credit to him, he told the boss and it was dealt with in house.

    His reasons were clearly Gallas as captain, and that was also swiftly resolved after Gallas’s outburst. Since then stability has been regained at the back, until Gallas got injured, and all seems a happy camp.

    Kolo is the new Mr Arsenal – and I hope he stays

    Arsene will sort them kelsey, he has to

  22. peachesgooner says:

    Chelsea are going to enter a bidding war with citeh over Kaka…….like I said, too much money ….

    Morning kelsey

  23. rico01 says:

    Let’s hope it banckrupts which ever club wins πŸ˜‰

    you dont like the big pig then kelsey 😦

  24. peachesgooner says:

    rico – just realised what you beat me to πŸ™‚

  25. rico01 says:

    tee hee peaches πŸ˜‰

  26. kelsey says:

    rico,

    i love the big pig but i think the avartars should be more discreet to balance the page properly.

    morning peaches

  27. JonJon says:

    barrys not proven…hes got years of PL experience but he isnt a winner…i dnot think hes ever been in a final…

    so he isnt what we needed…we need somebody who knows what its like to win things…and i dont mean a silvestre type whos over the hill…

    barry wasnt a leader either…leaders dont do that to clubs after 12 years,… leaders tell the truth and end up with a warm reception in their last game for the club…maybe even a testimonial…. he aint getting that now…

  28. JonJon says:

    i like my big avatar!!!!!

  29. kelsey says:

    The fact is a 5 year deal at the age of 28 at 100000K a week, is madness, whichever way you look at it.

  30. rico01 says:

    Morning JonJon – I like your big avatar too πŸ˜›

    I think some of the problem is that we are all desperate for a great partner for Cesc, so much so even an ageing Villa player seems better than what we have right now πŸ˜‰

  31. peachesgooner says:

    I bet you do JJ – morning to you πŸ™‚

    I don’t think its the avatars that slow it down I think its the youtube clips…

  32. rico01 says:

    Blaise Matuidi –

    So with this story hotting up, the St Etienne coach has admitted he spoke to Arsene Wenger last summer, but the player was not for sale then. I guess he signed a three year contract in 2007 for St Etienne and this summer is either sign an extension, or leave for a free the following summer.

    At 22 years old, is he the right player to come to Arsenal and play alonsgide Cesc, or are we honestly going to get a mauture winner to be that midfield missing link ??

  33. JonJon says:

    i agree kelsey…sheer stupidity…from both the club and the player…

    and i agree rico…its like weve been deprived so long of a cofidence boosting big name in the summer that alot of fans think barrys the answer…

    its like going for no food for 2 days and then someone hands you a biscuit and its like the best thing youve ever tasted…and then someone makes you a slap up 3 course meal and youve forgotten about the biscuit..

    barrys just the biscuit..our meal with come…

    peaches… i hereby place a ban on myself from posting youtube clips… πŸ˜‰

  34. JonJon says:

    our meal will come… WILL… 😳

  35. JonJon says:

    i know nothing about him rico

    i think he plays for some crap bottom of the table team in france…

  36. rico01 says:

    JJ – dont do that, they are funny πŸ™‚

    I like your analogy – biscuit barry πŸ˜‰ If he gets fatter he will be City’s very own ‘biscuit barrel’ πŸ™‚

  37. Rasputin says:

    Morning Avatar clan,

    Mines bigger than all yours – you just can’t see it 😳

    Veloso’s better than Matuidi. Why did we pursue Inler – he’s average. I think our leader said that we won’t buy anyone till the tail end of the TW.

  38. rico01 says:

    Just the kind of player that AFC will sign then JJ πŸ˜‰

  39. rico01 says:

    Hi-de-hi Rasp πŸ™‚

  40. peachesgooner says:

    I don’t think we should ban them as we all enjoy finding them and sharing them…maybe they could be taken off after a couple of hours……just being the mummy here….trying to keep everyone happy 😳

  41. Rasputin says:

    Ho-di-ho rico πŸ™‚

    Did you see my youtube clip of the ‘Man Song’?

  42. rico01 says:

    Avatars – I think ave just like’s to show off his big….. Clock πŸ˜‰ ( no editing please peaches πŸ˜‰ )

  43. Rasputin says:

    Yeah – and he’s always got 2 hands on it…although I think its a bit slow these days πŸ˜†

  44. rico01 says:

    No Rasp, I didnt, just checked back and i cant find it either 😦

    peaches, have you been busy with that delete button πŸ˜‰

  45. Rasputin says:

    Clock-a-doodle-do ave!

    Peaches, put my clip back its hilarious… (please)

  46. JonJon says:

    thats why i want veloso…

    i dont really want to see another unknown…it wont fill me with much confidence…

    what i do wnat to see is a player with strength, technique and natural ability who will slot into our midfield with cesc and run the show…

    denilson and song just do a job but the dont run things…i want someone in there who can take control and make the midfeild theres if cesc isnt on his game…

  47. Rasputin says:

    It’s there rico …. previous post 31st May, 10:32

  48. Rasputin says:

    Agree 100% JonJon. We also need more players that can take a free kick and score from outside the box.

  49. rico01 says:

    Guys, I have to go for a couple of hours,

    I will check it out when i get back Rasp πŸ˜›

    stay safe

  50. peachesgooner says:

    I’m off out too – have a nice morning all πŸ˜‰

  51. Rasputin says:

    TA is making a habit of saying unwise things to the press – linking himself to the Celtic job before he’s even been offered it and now this:

    “Arsenal legend Tony Adams has claimed manager Arsene Wenger does not have the backing of the whole of the Gunners’ board.

    Adams, who spent his entire playing career at Highbury, believes the club are not providing sufficient financial backing for Wenger.

    “People on the board – and the fans – want more,” he said at a Nationwide event.

    “But they can’t actually back it up with financial weight to do it. They’re not financing him. I don’t think Arsenal have got any finance.

    “I don’t know who it is, but I think there’s someone on the board who’s not pro-Arsene. I don’t know who it is, but that’s what I’ve heard.”

  52. JonJon says:

    i’ll tell you who it is

    PHW…

  53. Rasputin says:

    That would be my suspicion too JonJon….I just don’t know if its particularly helpful at this juncture to undermine confidence in the stability of the club when we are looking to attract new players.

  54. JonJon says:

    agree rasp…

    Adams needs to hush…ok…fair enough he is mr arsenal and we all can see we need new players here and there… but his ties with the club end there…

    he doesnt need to be telling the media hes heard things like that…

  55. kelsey says:

    i just happen to find this,quite topical not a racist remark in any form.

    A beautiful fairy appeared one day to a destitute refugee claimant outside the Heathrow immigration offices.

    ‘My good man,’ the fairy said, ‘I’ve been told to grant you three wishes, since you just arrived in England with your wife and three children.’

    The man told the fairy: ‘Well, where I come from we don’t have good teeth, so I want new teeth, maybe a lot of gold in them.’

    The fairy looked at the man’s almost toothless grin and — PING !!! He had a brand new shining set of gold teeth in his mouth!

    ‘What else?’ asked the fairy, ‘two, more wishes, to go’.

    The refugee claimant now got bolder.

    ‘I need a big house with a three car garage in Oxford with eight bedrooms for my family and the rest of my refugee relatives who still live in my country. I want to bring them all over here.

    PING! – In the distance there could be seen a beautiful mansion with a three car garage, a long driveway, a walkout patio with a BBQ, overlooking the river.

    ‘One, more wish, left for you’, said the fairy, waving her wand.

    I want to be like the British with British clothes instead of manjams, and a baseball cap instead of this turban.
    And I want to have white skin like the British.’

    PING! – The man was transformed, wearing worn out jeans, an Eagles T-shirt and a Billabong baseball cap. He had his bad teeth back and the mansion had disappeared from the horizon.

    ‘What happened to my new teeth?’ he wailed. ‘Where is my new house?’

    The fairy said ‘Tough luck. Now that you are English, you’re entitled to f*** all!!!!’ And she disappeared!

  56. Rasputin says:

    Transfer gosip as reported by the Telegraph…….

    “Cesc Fabregas has been strongly linked with a Β£40 million move to Barcelona, the club where he learnt his trade. Fabregas recently claimed that any player would want to join the European champions. (AS)

    club are said to be readying a Β£10 million bid to secure the signature of Joleon Lescott.

    Emmanuel Eboue and William Gallas are said to be on the list of players leaving the Emirates this summer.

    The club has made an Β£8 million bid for Fulham defender Brede Hangeland.

    Arsene Wenger has assured Arsenal fans that he is not interested in joining Real Madrid and will continue with his long-term project at the club.

    In a bid to bolster his defence, Wenger is also said to be keen on FC Porto’s Bruno Alves – for whom he faces a three pronged competition with Manchester City and Barcelona – and Ajax captain Thomas Vermaelen.”

  57. rico01 says:

    Ho-de-ho, I am back and Rasp I have just been chuckling away to myself over that youtube clip, i think its not on ave it refers too πŸ˜‰

  58. JonJon says:

    would you accept 40mil for cesc rasp???

    if you knew the money was going back into the team???

  59. Rasputin says:

    I would if he wanted to go JonJon. If he wanted to stay I’d keep him.

    I don’t think ‘inspirational players’ like Cesc can perform to the max if they’re not happy and besides that, he’s the captain and the effect on the other players if he stayed but was unhappy would be very negative.

  60. rico01 says:

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/350157760?-19387

    Why is Arsene commentating on a footie match, either the buying is being completed by Stan and Ollie having had a long list of targets given to them, or we are doing nothing right now 😦

  61. Rasputin says:

    Almost certainly the latter rico – and I can’t blame him really.

    We’ve got to accept that we can’t compete on financial terms with the ‘big clubs’, so it makes sense to let them have first pick of the sought after players. It would be a rare footballer who chose us over citeh for example and accepted Β£30,000 less a week for the privilege. I think gareth Barry has already demonstrated where most players priorities really lie…….

  62. London says:

    PHW is an easy target. Nowadays, he is no more than a figure head, an easily recognisable spokes person for the club. The reality is that as he owns so few shares and therefore wields so little power, he almost certainly has next to no say in the size of the transfer budget; which, in my opinion, makes him innocent of the charges above.

    We cannot be certain that Tony Adams actually made these alligations rather than yet another unscrupulous journalist trying to create a story when news about Arsenal is scarce. I think that if I had to make a choice between the two I would go with the idea that the journalist is a shit stirring c_nt.

    Arsenal have just gone through one of the biggest changes in its history; I would rank it as the biggest since Dein bought his shares of PHW.

    This is the first transfer window in which Kroenke and Gazidis have been in charge. I am happy to give them my support and wait eagerly in the hope and expectation that they will make a noticeable difference.

  63. JonJon says:

    well put london…

    PHW is still classed as the chairman though…im lead to beleive all ideas/policies/transfers etc are to be put to him first before a decision can be made.

    im with you though i hope ivan and stan can do something special this window..

  64. London says:

    Jonjon

    The quickest way to make the point is this: ideas may be put to you in the company you work for but unless you own the company I doubt that you have the final say in how the various budgets are set.

    PHW has been a long term loyal servant to the club; in the business world he is Mr Arsenal. That said, he is now long in the tooth and because of which I expect him to stand down after Kroenke and Gazidis have got one full season under their belts.

  65. JonJon says:

    fair point london..

    i expect him to stand down as soon as the flats are sold and he makes himself a nice little earner..

  66. London says:

    How would he personally profit from the sale of the flats?

  67. JonJon says:

    he must have something invested…he isnt sticking round for nothing…

  68. Rasputin says:

    This is all I can find on PHW’s financial stake in Arsenal……

    “Hill-Wood disposed much of his family holdings in the club to former Vice Chairman David Dein in the 1980s and 1990s. As at 27 March 2007 he owned 500 shares in the club representing 0.80% (worth approximately Β£3.4m)”

  69. Rasputin says:

    “He is the third generation of his family to serve as Chairman of Arsenal, following his father, Denis Hill-Wood (1962-1982), and his grandfather, Samuel Hill-Wood (1929-1936 & 1946-1949). Peter Hill-Wood succeeded his father after the latter’s death in 1982, although as chairman he is not in charge of any day-to-day business at the club”

  70. JonJon says:

    so hes just there for novelty value…a puppet on a string for fismann…he must be or he’d of gone by now…they got rid of nina and she had a strong position at the club so whats to stop them getting rid of PHW unless hes doing as he’s told????

  71. rico01 says:

    Back again having had a little dental treatment 😦

    Have i missed our first signing πŸ˜‰

  72. Rasputin says:

    Rico – surely he can’t go back to Zenit!!….. Is it possible that his agent and advisors hadn’t calculated and informed him of the likely nett salary he would receive? He should sack his agent and save himself that money instead of asking for more from us……

  73. London says:

    Jonjon

    PHW sticks around as you say because he is the club’s Chairman. He could be described as a puppet but to me the title of respected figure head seems more suitable. Either way, PHW no longer carries out the wishes of Fizman because Fizman is no longer the majority share holder. The new era of Kroenke and Gazidis has dawned; I’m looking forward to see what they can do.

  74. kelsey says:

    Rico/Rasputin,

    Read back through my comments.I have stated several times that AA COULD be a mercenary.You don’t suddenly want to renegotiate a contract,you signed a few weeks earlier because of a hike of 5% in tax.I think his agent will look for the best possible deal for a) himself and b) his client.

    Nothing would surprise me anymore,though i hope we don’t have another Diarra situation,yet again.

    i am beginning to get sick of the game we all once loved,loyalty is a rare word these days.

  75. peachesgooner says:

    WHAT – how bizarre is that story about Arshavin??????

    I asked my dentist about the wisdom teeth and Robin van Persie and he said he thought it was rubbish…..

  76. avenell says:

    Have your wisdom teeth been in contact with Robin van Persie then? πŸ˜‰

  77. kelsey says:

    or did the dentist check your groin πŸ˜‰

  78. London says:

    I’m a bit confused as to why in this day and age when a footballer’s career is over at such a young age should a player be expected to show some sort of loyalty, which is, of course, employers jargon for we want you to work for less than your true worth, just because a club used his services for a mutually agreed period of time. Very odd.

  79. rico01 says:

    Huge reports that we have signed Thomas Vermaelen for 10M….

    Arshavin – he will stay, if not we will sell him for a lot more than we paid, but it pap clap πŸ˜‰

    and you all know i get my l’s and r’s in a muddle πŸ˜‰

  80. Big Raddy says:

    I do not believe a word of the AA story. He isn’t stupid, nor is his agent, and I am sure both knew about the tax situation in UK.

    Plus AFC would almost certainly cover a 5% tax hike with “extras”.

    This is more journo bollocks , and we will be reading much more over the coming 6 weeks.

  81. Big Raddy says:

    London,

    I am surprised at your last comment. What price loyalty?

    How depressing it would be if players didn’t have some consideration for a club that supports them through thick and thin.

    Take Mozart. He would be a deeply unpleasant individual if he comes back from injury, has a blinder of a season, and then forces his way put of the club. A club that paid his enormous wages at a time when he was unable to give anything in return. He owes us.

    Whilst accepting that players have a short career, it should also be pointed out that due to this very fact, they are paid an exorbitant amount of money. MC are paying Barry Β£25m for a 5 year contract ! Β£25m !!

    The mutually agreed time is contract is just that – satisfactory to both parties. Personally, if I earned say, Β£15m over a 5 year period, whether I made an extra Β£5m would have no influence upon where I worked – at that level of income, I could never spend my earnings. As such the atmosphere and ambitions of my workplace become tantamount.

    I accept your point that in the disgusting real-world of modern pro football loyalty is a redundant concept, but how sad is that?

    Thankfully, there are still Gerrard / Carragher/ Scholes/ Giggs types. Players who stay with their teams over decades. Hopefully Wilshere etc will join them.

    Interesting point though – one for discussion?

  82. Big Raddy says:

    put=out

    mutually agreed time OF contract

  83. kelsey says:

    I wouldn’t say that footballers careers are any shorter than they were 30 or 40 years ago.It’s a different game,one could argue it was a lot more physical in those days, the pitches were far worse, the ball heavier,as were the boots, but of course wages were minimal.

    With regards to loyalty,I completely agree with Raddy.

  84. rico01 says:

    Re the loyalty ‘thing’ this has to work both ways, a footballer gets paid when injured, and as Raddy pointed out, Thomas is the perfect example, and even Eduardo to an extent. Players want to be paid when injured, for the club to have respect for their injury – in return, I believe players should show a little respect to their employer.

    But then I also think to myself, if someone offered me twice my salary to leave to join ‘their’ company, security assured, would i think twice…….

    Possibly not

  85. peachesgooner says:

    I agree, Man City are going to be buying almost everyone thats for sale – I think Gareth Barry has made a very poor decision to move there – he wants Champs Lge football, hes signed up for ‘no guarantee’ but lots of money…..

    As an English player he should remember what happened to Shaun Wright-Philips, Steve Sidwell and other foreign players who went to the Chavs Bench……

    Money only buys success – it doesn’t buy a team.

  86. peachesgooner says:

    Call me old-fashioned but I like a team πŸ™‚

    No ave – Robin van Persie has been nowhere near my wisdom teeth – you naughty boy πŸ‘Ώ

  87. London says:

    Rico you are going to have to write the main post again tomorrow GGGGrrrr 2. Have you noticed how it has provoked so many interesting comments.

  88. Big Raddy says:

    Rico.

    Part of my point is that the level of income is so extraordinary high that one cannot judge it by normal standards. I would agree if you earned Β£50k a year and were being offered Β£100k. but here we are talking of obscene amounts – so much that the extra will make no difference whatsoever to their lifestyles. This is the level of money that creates dynasties !

    How much money will Theo earn in his career? Let us guess that he has been earning a paltry Β£10 p.w. for the past 5 years – that is Β£2.5m by the time he is 20! Then 6 years at Β£50k pw (conservative) = Β£18m. And 5 years (from 26-31) at Β£100k a week = Β£25m Which means that Theo is very likely to earn Β£45m over his short career.

    Β£45m !!! And that is without advertising spinoff and personal merchandising. Plus his earning potential will not end with the close of his pitch career….

    However, I am well aware that Theo is extraordinary, being hugely talented, good looking, intelligent and English (i.e.marketable). But the same figures work for most of the top Prem players. Even Championship players are millionaires !

  89. rico01 says:

    Raddy – I agree with you, no matter what you are offered elsewhere, just show respect to the employer who pays you at the time –

    Ade last summer was the perfect example of how not to behave – Cesc however, and Kolo are the perfect example of how to behave

    And you are right, how can I compare their salary to mine, they earn in one week what I earn in two years. It is obscene

  90. rico01 says:

    London, I may very well do as you suggest, but what I am most pleased about is that ave has the site back with everyone having a good time again – its what he deserves, and how it should always be….

    And, most importantly, we all need this to get through the ‘long and winding road’ – also know as the bloody silly summer transfer season πŸ˜‰

  91. Rasputin says:

    Surely in a perfect world loyalty would be shown to, and by all parties – the club, the manager, the players and the supporters….. loyalty cannot be bought. A seasoned professional such as Gallas can still put in a good performance whilst not being entirely happy with the club…… whereas the way Hleb performed once he had decided he wanted to go was disgraceful. The level of loyalty tells you something about the character of the individual. Amongst all the nonsense, Kaka is behaving impeccably and showing great loyalty to the club that has been paying his wages.

  92. rico01 says:

    Nik, you have just gone up in my estimation – big time

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/350235809?-19387

  93. London says:

    Evening Big Raddy

    I am afraid I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Your point seems to be that because you view footballers salaries as extraordinarily high that is reason to criticise, although, it is acceptable for someone to want to increase there wage from 50k to 100k a year. The quickest way to make the point is this: if you put the figure of 50k to and Indian person living on a train station in Bombay he might have trouble comprehending such an annul wage, so just because he didn’t understand would that be good enough reason for Rico not to want to increase her wage to 100k. Wages are relative to each person, the Indian’s 5 rupees are as important to him as Rico’s 50k a year to Barry’s 5mill or to Abramovich’s 5 billion. I am sure you have heard of the saying that you should sell you labour at the highest price. I am also sure that if you were the father of a footballer you would want him to do just that.

    Good discussion this.

  94. London says:

    Big Raddy

    My original comment on loyalty was, of course, written with a view to provoke conversation. We are of the same age so I can say from the outset that I find the concept out of date and completely out of step with every other walk of the business world.

    Why do we expect a footballer to stay at his place of employment once his contract is up if we wouldn’t expect a friend to stay at a printing company, for example, if he had a chance to improve his quality of life my moving else where. In short, we wouldn’t.

    You raise the excellent example of Rosicky; I don’t know how long his contract is but let us say that he has one more year. If he plays a blinder and at the end of the season is offered a contract equal to that of any other then yes I agree I would like him to show some loyalty and stay at Arsenal. Although, what is just as likely to happen is that he has recurring injury problems and then at the end of his hypothetical one year deal he could just as easily be told he is no longer wanted.

    The fact is that when a contract is agreed for a certain amount of time is just that, a contract for a set period of time, the same as it would be in any other walk of life.

    Most footballers find themselves on the scrap heap at the age of 35 although in Arsenal’s case, as we know, the system is worse: you are as good as shown the door when you reach thirty.

    The other examples of loyalty that you gave are Gerrard and co; they are all paid as much as any other club in the world would pay them. I do not see that as loyalty I see that as choosing the best option available.

    Even Cesc who on the surface might seem loyal by signing an eight year contract which is seen as a way of ensuring that the club benefit for all the hard work they have put into his development. But do you really think his agent wasn’t told that if he didn’t sign such a deal that the club would be forced to sell him then and there.

    To apply the standards of loyalty that we were brought up with mocks us: they are out of date to the point of being ridiculous. For years clubs have played the loyalty card in the hope that we the fans will pick up on it and put pressure on the player; it is no more than a manipulative tool used by the clubs in an attempt to pay the players less.

  95. rico01 says:

    London – blimey ! πŸ˜›

    I have to say, I would at any time change my employer for that kind of renumeration, but the biggest reason is happiness. A footballer should always be happy within his employment, that is his trade. But, to change clubs purely for an extra pound or two seems strange – especially if you leave a group of ‘friends’ you have been with for s time – Flamini is this perfect example – and look at him now, he left a club where he was loved, now he seldom gets to play the game he ‘loves’

    Oh, and if I was Theo’s dad, I would want him to always stay at Arsenal πŸ˜‰

  96. rico01 says:

    The Beatles – ‘Money can’t buy me love’

    And love should be to have the opportunity to play football for a club your heart takes you to, and then to stay there ….

  97. London says:

    If I was Theo’s dad I would want him to stay at Arsenal….so long as he was paid the going rate.

  98. London says:

    No, it is true, money can’t buy you happiness but you can buy a really big yacht and sail up real close to it. Only joking.

  99. London says:

    Nite nite

  100. rico01 says:

    London πŸ˜‰

    I have to go now, my little ‘feather’ (NOT Rasp) Duvet is calling me…. Night night all,

    Stay safe πŸ˜‰

  101. Rasputin says:

    Night night rico, don’t squash those chooks when you turn over 😳

  102. rico01 says:

    Night Rasp, you cheeky little one πŸ˜‰

    Night London

  103. Big Raddy says:

    London.

    You make some valid points, but of course I disagree. And my age has nothing to do with it πŸ™‚

    You cite the argument of wages using a comparison between Rico and the train station Indian (It’s Mumbai now….). which is spurious. My point is that the wages are at a point where any increment will no no effect whatsoever upon the recipient, which is certainly not the case in Mumbai or near Reading. .

    Furthermore, you are right that Gerrard etc are handsomely paid, but no-one could doubt that he would not have doubled his wages by taking the Russian’s money at Chelsea, He stayed at the Dippers because he earns enough and is happy. Plus he recognises what his presence means to the Dipper fans.

    Mozart: I agree. Should he not recover his form, AW will let him go.

    We must create an even playing field – a printing job is not the same as an EPL player. The printer doesn’t carry the hopes and dreams of millions of people worldwide (which is why the wages are so high).

    As you say, a contract is a contract. I have no argument with players running down their contract and going where they believe they will be happier, and wealthier (Flamini). What I object to, most strongly, are the actions of an oaf like Adebayor,a man who clearly doesn’t understand what a contract means. Or Gallas who threatened Chelsea prior to leaving them. These contracts are not like the Sony deal with George Michael who had his contract taken over by a new company with whom he felt no connection; they are negotiated over a period of time with both parties being comfortable with their side of the deal. No-one forced Gallas to sign at Chelsea – he was/is earning a King’s ransom. He is not a slave (Prince!!).

    As to Cesc’s deal. I very much doubt that the Club would have threatened him with expulsion. AW knew/knows that he has a diamond. But AW has also stated that he will not keep an unhappy player (Henry). It was financial prudence on both parts to sign a long-term deal. But even that will not stop Cesc leaving if he feels unsupported by the club. As you say, loyalty swings both ways.

    I completely disagree with your final paragraph. It assumes that the clubs don’t pay market price for their players . As our wage bill is over Β£100m p.a. that does not seem to be the case.

    Loyalty does not mean naivety. To me ,it means that if an already hugely rich man gets offered an extra Β£1m to go to a rival, then he will think of the people who pay his wages. The fans.

    However, it is true and very sad, that this is not the way of the modern footballer. For every Raul there is a Figo. For every Tony Adams, a Sol Campbell…..

    BTW. Having ‘old fashioned values’ does not make one ridiculous – quite the opposite, in my opinion πŸ˜‰

  104. Big Raddy says:

    A domani….

  105. peachesgooner says:

    Wow – I missed areally amazing debate!!!!!

    I think London said that the sums of money are impossible to comprehend for most of us and that must also be true for these young men and their advisors too surely.

    If Theo is to earn Β£50m with Arsenal in his career but if he moves he’ll earn Β£100m somewhere else its only money – he can’t spend Β£50m in his lifetime so why not stay with the team he loves and that loves him

  106. London says:

    Great comment, I will have to get back to you tomorrow.

  107. Big Raddy says:

    Exactly my point Peaches. As long as Arsenal show him the ambition that he has himself, i.e. to be the very best.

  108. London says:

    I should have tried to make this the main post we could have run with this one until the beginning of next season. I’m trying to go πŸ˜‰

  109. Big Raddy says:

    Night London

    Night Peaches….

  110. peachesgooner says:

    Raddy – I’m so pleased mine made sense, I’ve had a couple of glasses of wine and your comments were so long that I was worried I got the thread completely wrong…….

    Have you both gone now……

  111. London says:

    This is too good. If we offer 50mil to Theo and someone else offers him 100mil then we are under paying him because his market value is 100mil. I am/was a manager of music artists my job is to maximise their income. Accepting that your daughter’s happiness is paramount but after that wouldn’t you want your daughter’s manager to maximise her income?

  112. peachesgooner says:

    Of course I would – and there lies the conundrum!!!

    Stevie G wants to play for Liverpool where they love him – rasp whats the word for that – he could have gone to the chavs or probably to Citeh now for a lot more money than he is earning at Liverpool but there has to be a point at which earning the extra Β£50m is totally unecessary……….

    If my daughter managed to earn enought to keep her happy that would make me happy.

    Look at the obsene amounts of money the bankers were earning……..how can someone be worth that, its only market forces if someone wants that person and is willing to pay them more – it doesn’t mean they are really worth more just that someone will pay…

  113. JonJon says:

    well done both london and raddy…those were excellent points of view and im going to say i sit on the fence with this one. πŸ˜‰

  114. Big Raddy says:

    Absolutely London.

    But that assumes Theo would be undervalued, which he isn’t at THOF. Nor are any of the other players re-negotiating their contracts.

    As you say happiness is paramount. To an already financially secure young man, money is secondary.

    BUT, as I wrote to Peaches, the club MUST show that they are committed to excellence, which means playing your best team in a FACSF !!

    I have to go to bed …. another sodding exam tomorrow….

    Great discussion.

  115. peachesgooner says:

    Pricing a footballers worth is the same….

    Some of us think that Alonso would have helped us to win the premiership this season thereby earning us an extra Β£Xm and so it must have been worth paying the extra Β£2m to buy him…….

    Its possible,, we could have……

  116. JonJon says:

    isnt kaka a perfect example…

    he could of done a barry and gone to citeh to play CL football and become the richest footballer in the world…

    but he chose to stay at milan becasue hes already a superstar and the money hes on already is more than enough to keep him happy?????

    or was it just because it meant living in manchester and that place is a dump…

    or am i missing the point??????

  117. JonJon says:

    saying that the money would do nicely if it meant swapping milan for madrid????

    or am i still off the point…

    dont blame me blame the tinnies… πŸ˜‰

  118. peachesgooner says:

    2 great points there JJ

    Manchester is a dump πŸ˜›

    He chose to stay at Milan where he was loved and already earned more than enough to keep him for the rest of his lfe πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

    Power to Kaka……..

  119. Rasputin says:

    I thought I already said that 😳

  120. peachesgooner says:

    Ok, if by moving to Madrid, Kaka will still enjoy the kind of adoration he gets at Milan, if he’ll play football in his preferred position and get paid a nice anount of money and be able to be competetive ……. Hes made a good move…:P

    Flamini – if you’re reading this, you ,made a bum move 😦 , cos we were just gearing up to absolutely worship you, you were about to become an absolute hero alongside Cesc……..

  121. JonJon says:

    i think if the money was right at madrid though he’d go there…

    i cant see him coming to chelsea…londons a nice city but chelsea arent what you call a big club… their just big because of the spending power they have….

    madrid will win that battle hands down..anchovy or no anchovy…

    some players it applies to and some players it doesnt…

    see, if cesc was offered 150k a week to live and play in barcelona…would he turn it down because he ‘loved arsenal’ i wouldnt like to put my house on him saying no to that…

  122. peachesgooner says:

    Did you rasp – sorry, blame the Shiraz – JJ’s excuse is the tinnies….. πŸ˜†

  123. Rasputin says:

    Yes @ 9:19 – don’t worry, I’m used to being ignored 😦

  124. JonJon says:

    hi rasp…im sorry mate…i didnt mean to steal your limelight…

    am i deserving of contempt???? πŸ˜†

  125. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – It must have been your comment that prompted me to make mine – I thank you for your inspiration and apologise for stepping on your toes πŸ˜†

  126. peachesgooner says:

    grovel grovel grovel πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

  127. Rasputin says:

    No worries, my toes are fine and you know I love you JonJon…I’ve stated it publicly! πŸ˜†

    I’m off to bed. Nite all ………

  128. JonJon says:

    the feelings mutual mate 😳

    night all…im getting my head down…

  129. peachesgooner says:

    It was a very nice Shiraz rasp πŸ˜†

  130. peachesgooner says:

    Looks like bed for me too then πŸ™‚

    See you all tmoro, sweet dreams xx

  131. peachesgooner says:

    Morning kelsey – if you check in early, heres wishing you good luck for today at the dentist xx

  132. rico01 says:

    Morning Roadsters

  133. rico01 says:

    off for a while – be back when you have all surfaced, bar ave of course πŸ˜‰

  134. kelsey says:

    Good Morning all,

    here’s a thought for you to debate if you wish to.It’s only a theory,but Nicci is being very positive and saying all the right things.Does he know that he is moving up the pecking order and possibly more guaranteed starts,because someone is leaving, and he is gaining in confidence.

    Check the quotes from Wenger only around early January,when he implied that his patience was running out with Nic(please don’t ask for the exact link,but kindly take my word for it).

    My take is that he is growing up quickly,and realizes his best option is to stay with us,and work on his ability,which he is definitely doing, but most importantly be a real team member.

  135. kelsey says:

    I have been reading through all the posts last night about loyalty and wages, and it is difficult to generalise as every player is different.

    Will we ever see another Dennis, who had a packed house for his testimonial.

    I have argued the case before many times and let’s take a look at Theo and Walcott.

    IMO Theo is still work in progress,but having been with us for 3.5 years he has been given a three fold wage increase,which I believe is 60K a week. Wenger sees him on a daily basis and either felt he is worth the salary increase,to keep him in line with others, or he felt that we would lose him to another PL side if he didn’t “get the going rate”.

    Adebayor,didn’t adhere himself to most supporters last season, and as far as i know there was never an actual bid of 30 million for him,as quoted by numerous tabloids. Maybe I am wrong and certain clubs wanted to buy him for say 20+ million, but in any case Wenger decided to increase his salary to somewhere between 80 to 110K a week. The question here, is that a loyalty bonus for one good season, or again did Wenger think he must keep Ade at all costs.

    The season has panned out differently than I honestly thought Wenger expected, and to some extent the emphasis on youth over some 60 matches, most probably was the key to us failing, yet coming so near, though I accept the PL title was out of reach by last November.

    I would say this close season is the most important in Wenger’s tenure, and he will have to make some difficult decisions. The fans are beginning to demand success again, maybe even to the extent of our sometimes seen “Hollywood Football”, other clubs are being taken over and though as stated before money doesn’t naturally bring success, but a balanced team will, something we have dearly missed this season.

  136. kelsey says:

    Theo and Adebayor I meant.

  137. Rasputin says:

    Morning Roadsters and Roosters,

    Good luck at the dentist kelsey. I’ve been trying to save up for 18 months to have an implant but every time I get close a huge bill turns up to spend the money elsewhere – I even sold my 40 year old Fender Stratocaster to fund it then had to give the money to my kids….. that’s one reason I was a little mifffed about last night’s discussion of the multi millions players earn – everthing is relative I suppose.

  138. JonJon says:

    morning kelsey..im sitting on the fence abit with the loyalty debate..like you i beleive different players have different values…

    as for nikki..im really proud of him…that zlatan fella isnt exactly a superstar and if he is then hes overatted….

    everything nikki said was right….adebayor would of probably demanded some money to say something like that…10k a word… πŸ˜‰

  139. JonJon says:

    morning rasp…

    have we signed veloso yet??

  140. Rasputin says:

    Morning JonJon,

    No sadly! All the talk is about Thomas Vermaelen for Β£10-12m which seems excessively high for a player who has never been tested at the top level and is still developing.

    All the talk on the net is about his height? officially he’s 5’11” therefore a bit short for a CB and yet there is a picture of him standing next to RVP and they are the same height 6’2″.

  141. JonJon says:

    i watched a video of him last night..very inconclusive about his abilities…but he looked taller than 5 11…

    i’ll be disapointed if our budget goes on him rasp…and hes our only signing…

    maybe its just the media blowin things up from what adams said the other day about him…hopefully anyway…

  142. Rasputin says:

    Yes, I hope you’re right JonJon.

    TA seems to be doing a bit of a ‘Susan Boyle’. He’s a bit like Glen Hoddle, sometimes he can talk sense, but other times he’s just weird…..

  143. JonJon says:

    New Post…

  144. Rasputin says:

    From the Sun……..

    “AC MILAN will make a bid of Β£15million for Emmanuel Adebayor this week.

    The Serie A club are desperate to give their fans some positive news after Carlo Ancelotti’s departure for Chelsea and Kaka’s impending exit from the San Siro.

    Milan offered Β£25m for the Arsenal striker last summer but the bid was turned down.

    Their valuation has decreased after a mediocre season from the Togo international”

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