Alter Course and Then Sail….

I was so upset with our result on Tuesday that I cannot even eat. It has hit me hard and if anyone has been reading my posts over the last month  will  have read that I knew this was coming.. It is not something that I want to gloat over it gives me no satisfaction whatsoever.
I don’t want Mr Wenger OBE  gone, but I want THIS Arsene Wenger gone, the one who after an embarrassing defeat says.
“It’s easy to say that we need a bit of experience but I am convinced that we have the quality and we’ll continue to develop. If you look at the average age of the team it is still very young. To reach that level deserves a lot of credit but tonight we were caught by a team who has the art to kill and take advantage of mistakes. I believe Cristiano Ronaldo today gave us a tough time.”

We need a manager who can see and address the problems, we need a manager who says it like it is…

“We were not good enough and we will have a bit of a shake up in the summer”

I am hoping Arsene is going to take some action and he isn’t convinced that what he is saying is accurate and it is PR spin. But if he  is saying  what he means then he is out of touch with how the supporters feel and we need more honesty.
He also heaped more pressure on himself by playing a FA cup semi final without arguably our best player who never needed to be rested, Everton and David Moyes showed us that Man U can be dumped out of a cup in the semi’s.. This may turn into a good thing long term because winning the FA cup would be papering over the cracks of this youth system.

I am also hoping that this board shake up that has just taken place will have a positive effect and take Arsene out of his comfort zone, I also feel that joint ownership is not working.. Why would Kroenke want to invest money into Arsenal from an outside source to make us more successful if it increases the value of shares that he wants to purchase??
Why not wait and wait,  then when we are on a downhill slide the share price will go down and then snap up the less wanted and cheaper shares?? Then invest!!!

The fans need to know where this is going!!!!

Onto the fans, like someone said on the blog the other day the ones that left early should hang their heads in shame, they don’t support Arsenal they support winning teams.. you support through good times and bad.. These new wave of supporters are a blight to the modern game and is something that the club needs and seeks, but true fans detest and It would not surprise me if they went and supported Chelsea, I had and I say “had” in the past tense a ‘mate’ who was a Arsenal season ticket holder in the eighties I even bought his 89’ shirt off him because it no longer fitted  when he took up bodybuilding, anyway the last I heard of him he started to support Chelsea because they were winners, this is the same bloke that cheats at golf… sums him up to me…

We have to be very careful what we want as supporters collectively, their are two radical ends of the spectrum and I suggest they are as dangerous as each other.. We have the impatient “I want a trophy and I want it now” ones. They are like the Geordies, the Spuds and Real (Spanish government) Madrid. Sack the manager , sack the players mentality.. On the other end of the divide is the “ If he wears an Arsenal shirt I will support him” fan this is very commendable but we are not the Samaritans or the welfare state, they will keep flogging a dead horse and won’t admit things are wrong… Arsenal are in business to win things.. If we don’t   the support will drop off and we will not get the prize money from winning these tournaments or the worldwide recognition that we need to grow.. A viscous circle that Man U although in debt are showing the world how to do that.

I don’t think we need to go as far as to buy big like Man U, our manager is the best in the world , but he has gone off course, he has gone too far down the youth development route. It is a good idea if we don’t depend on it and it is self sufficient financially, but Arsene believes in it a bit too much and seems to grow attached to those players because they look good in training every day.. Well looking good in training and looking good in Semi finals of big tournaments are two different things as we learned Tuesday night..
Ajax are another club that has gone down this route and have now dropped out of being one of the best in Europe to a feeder club to the big boys, I know this is also partly down to the demise of the Dutch League.
What I do know is that evolution is better than revolution, also unless you have an endless budget to cherry pick the very best players we have to be very careful who we buy for every Arshavin their is a Jeffers around the corner for the same price..

Let’s think about Arsenal as if we was running that business and think as if we were managing it  and push towards what is for the  best… the best for Arsenal..

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159 Responses to Alter Course and Then Sail….

  1. kelsey says:

    One can fully understand the disappointment and anger by in particular Ballack and Drogba,but no way can one condone what amounts to their stupidity and disrespect to the referee,albeit he was one of the worst officials I have ever seen for such a high profile game.

    UEFA and Platini especially cringe at the thought of the dominance of the PL,yet forget any conspiracy in last night’s match.The Barca players dived or cheated which ever way you wish to look at it in the home leg as much as Drogba and co did yesterday.
    The rules of the competition should be carefully looked at,but I doubt that will happen.If one is allowed 4 PL teams to compete,and they are segregated until the quarter finals stage,the likely hood is that one or more will reach the final.I ask is the away goal such a good idea as my understanding was that it should promote away teams to attack more,but one could argue that keeping a clean sheet at home is just as beneficial.Barca have gone through without winning the tie,,the rules have awarded them a place in the final.It is not about winning a trophy anymore to declare that the team is the best in Europe,it is a lottery to a certain extent,and money together with TV rights and to win at all costs have overtaken the initial purpose of the competition.To me, though I fully understand the the expectations and frustrations of the Arsenal and Chelsea fans this week,this is not a competition in the true sense of the word as was it’s original intention.I am fully aware things will not change,but it is to the detriment of the game.

  2. kelsey says:

    No disrespect Ave,just my views and obviously nothing to do with your post.

  3. chaf says:

    Nice post.

    Sensible words…It is first and foremost running a business

    I agree with you but I suppose I was brought up with football being a sport, and like Kelsey says its all corporate now.

    I didn’t want to leave Highbury but we had to. I have to live with it, but I prefered it when I wasn’t surrounded at matches by people asking questions all through the game and looking around them. But on the other hand I watch fantastic football so its hard to justify my own feelings.

    Its the application of the players that got to me, along with the fact that the new banner should be

    “Arsene knows something – but he’s not telling anyone”

  4. London says:

    Ave

    That is a first class post. There are so many clever, thought provoking points I want to give all of them the merit they deserve.

    kelsey

    I really enjoyed reading you comment as well. Could you explain why you no longer think that it is a competition in the true sense?

  5. London says:

    Actually Kelsey

    I now see that you have already explained why you no longer think it is a competition in the true sense.

  6. kelsey says:

    The meaning of Champions League is obviously what it says.However if a team like liverpool can finish 4th. some twenty points the champions and then go on to win the trophy,the original concept of the competition has been erased.

  7. London says:

    Kelsey

    Wouldn’t you say then that the main problem is the branding, the name Champions League is wrong and not the actual competition itself; after all, if a team like Liverpool who obviously were not the best in Europe can win it then the competition is working as an exciting knock out tournament that it was designed to be.

  8. chaf says:

    It should revert to European Cup again. But its not as corporate as ‘Champions League’. Still trying to gain viewers..

  9. London says:

    The title of European Cup was perfect. I can only assume that the powers that be wanted to change the name to emphasise the change in format. The problem seems to me that they were unable to come up with a better name than European Cup and so opted for the misleading Champions League. As the format has now successfully been changed I see no reason why they cannot revert back to the logical name of European Cup.

  10. London says:

    Rico

    Are you alive?

  11. avenell says:

    Morning Roadsters..

    The champions League and it’s format is a result of the old G14 threatening to pull away and do a european super league..
    They compromised and so did UEFA so now they have got what they wanted the G14 got disbanded.

  12. JonJon says:

    morning all..

    drogba deserves a hefty ban for last night…his actions were those of a madman and his language was terrible… i was disgusted.. 😉

    i like the CL format the way it is…if it changes were stuffed for a start….

    good post too…i think it speaks for most of us..

    by the way ave im all for your theo theory now… we should sell him…

  13. London says:

    The format of the CL seems fine but as Kelsey was saying if Liverpool can finish forth some twenty points behind and still be in it then the fault seems to be with the title rather the structure.

    Although that said when I think about it hasn’t everyone got used to it now, the name Champions League has come to represent those teams that have been champions in their own league at one time or another.

  14. avenell says:

    But the winners of the competition are the Champions of Europe.. depends what end of the competition you want to pin the word Champion on..

  15. Big Raddy says:

    Fine post Avenell.

    A question I occasionally pose myself is ” Which is better – to win trophies ala GG – with horrendously dull 1-0’s – or to play Wengerball and not to win silverware ? ”

    Obviously the best would be to play Wengerball AND win trophies. Barca and MU do it by investing heavily into their teams, something that has never been the Arsenal Way, and I cannot see us changing. But in all honesty, however much Denilsong/Song /Diaby improve I cannot see them mixing it at the very top level, and that is where we are aiming.

    There was a time when the top 4 in the EPL were not in the top 20 sides in Europe (would WHU have beaten Ajax?),. Now, thanks to Sky, the top 4 are in the top 6 or 8.

    I firmly believe this young Arsenal side would win the Bundesliga and Serie A. And we would be in the mix for La Liga. The problem is so would the Chavs, MU and the Dippers.

    So these days to win the EPL, one has to be the best team in the World.

  16. JonJon says:

    thats true guys…. but lets for examples sake say we’d of won it this year… we’d of had to beat the champs of england and spain to do it…

    depending on who you beat makes you worthy champs of europe…imo

    its by no means fair whatsoever for the champs to finish 4th in the domestic league and be declared the best but 4th is the best we can hope for….maybe the naming of the cup is wrong…but if we are wanting a change in format we are just shooting ourselves in the foot…

  17. JonJon says:

    i dunno about seria A raddy.

    roma made us look very average on their turf and they are struggling in their league…..

  18. Big Raddy says:

    To take that further….

    To be the best requires an investment AFC will not commit to. We have to have true World Class players (we have perhaps 3)in most positions. Particularly in the spine of the team.

    AW ‘s youth policy attempts to overcome this reluctance to spend., but it will take luck and time to develop. If it comes off, it will be one of the greatest achievements ever in football. But paying supporters have to be served instant gratification – no-one buys a work in progress – they are paying top dollar to watch top players, not top potential.

    It is a conundrum for AW. One I have sympathy with. However, he made an huge mistake not playing our best team in the FACSF. Had we won the Cup, all the pressure would be off, and AW would have had another year to develop his kids. I could not and cannot understand his thinking. Not playing Arshavin was the most baffling decision of his long career.

    All that aside, I haven’t enjoyed an non-AFC goal so much in years. Thank you, thank you, thank you Iniesta. You are a wonderful human being.

  19. Big Raddy says:

    JJ. It is an opinion….. We played them without AA and Cesc.

  20. JonJon says:

    top comment raddy…

  21. London says:

    Respect Raddy

  22. benwell says:

    Just about able to talk football again, after the massive dissappointment of Tuesday. Haven’t read a paper or watched last nights game, pleased that Barca are through but can’t gloat, otherwise I’ll end up like those sad Sperze fans that can only derive any pleasure from football by seeing us get beat!

    AW has certainly got to have a strategic look at his squad as the balance is all wrong, we have so many similar players it’s embarrasing, he needs reminding big boys football is not five a side style, we need a a good strong spine to earn the right to play fantasy football.

  23. London says:

    Well it seems that Wenger is taking a beating in most corners. I am starting to think I might be alone in the way I think. Is there anyone that thought there was a better team selection or formation that Wenger could have played on Tuesday?

  24. avenell says:

    It was too late London.. he cocked it up at Old Trafford.

  25. JonJon says:

    the team that played pompey???

    but even that team would of lost…

    but thats the whole point….its wengers team…their his players and they arent good enough…

    their his tactics and formations and we get outclassed every time

    theres a couple of players that arent improving enough and theres a couple of donkeys too…

    his problem is that he stays loyal to his players for too long…he gives them mores games when he should be saying…times up son..im moving you on…

    its very noble but its very stagnant and its doing more damage to the player than good…

  26. Big Raddy says:

    Fair point London.

    AW played the very team I would have picked, and the team setup was good.

    An unfortunate slip and the plan went out the window

  27. nobhead says:

    What sanctimonious bullshit about the new wave of supporters. I have been supporting Arsenal since the early 70’s and don’t just support from my settee, as some do!
    I left the stadium after the mancs 3rd goal because I was sick of listening to the manc fans singing about how fuckin easy it was and they were right.
    The team didn’t turn up either at Old Trafford (which I went to also) or at the Emirates… why the fuck should I?

  28. avenell says:

    Hi nobhead welcome to Avenell Road..

  29. London says:

    We played the best team that we had. One slip and the plan went out the window. As for the Old trafford Game: 4.5.1 is the formation that Wenger plays in every European away game. It was a system that had been successfully rehearsed against Wigan and Villareal; the system that got us to the semis in the first place.

  30. JonJon says:

    hi nobhead…

    if id of been there id of probably done the same…

    do you think wenger is wearing fans patience thin????

    i do….

  31. London says:

    Fair point nobhead.

  32. JonJon says:

    i dont think we did play our best team….

    robin wasnt fit and ade he been in poor form….he hasnt even been interested and was on the phone to ancelloti before the match….

    i wouldnt of picked either of them…..

    vela and bendtner would of started for me….

  33. JonJon says:

    they got into the team because of their egos….

    rvp wasnt fit for the FA cup semi but he got into the team ahead of AA because of his ego….

  34. London says:

    Jonjon

    Vela and Bendtner for which game? Or both?

  35. avenell says:

    Right team.. wrong positions at Old Trafford.. Diaby on the wing? Nasri DM? Cesc in the hole? .. Where did these players play when we done the Mancs at the Emirates?

  36. JonJon says:

    vela and bendtner for the home leg…..

    we needed to score and we needed something different up front…..

    ade hasnt been offering anything and should of been dropped….

    the lads goals at the weekend warranted them a place in the home leg…

    but wenger put his two favs in and we created nothing all night….

  37. London says:

    There is a rumour going around that Wenger has admitted that he got the team selection wrong at Wembley; he obviously cannot admit it publicly.

  38. JonJon says:

    he doesnt have to london we all know he got wembley wrong….

    he got the summer wrong too…..

    but hey… been here before…

    has anyone read that stroy where PHW said wenger has always had money to spend and he will have plenty in the summer…. i wish statements like that werent made because its just making wenger look really really bad….

  39. JonJon says:

    how good is diego?????

  40. London says:

    The problem with that choice Jonjon is that if it had gone Alex Song then everyone would have said why didn’t you play you internationaly experienced forwards. The suggestion of Vela and Bendtner isn’t practical.

    Ave

    Yes, it could have been better.

  41. London says:

    Jonjon

    Just for the record; I know I defend Wenger a lot but I do agree with the popular view that he got it wrong in the summer. Where I differ is that I believe he acted in good faith and therefore when you get to a point where you can no longer do anything about it i.e. the transfer window is closed then the sensible thing to do, seems to be, to get behind the players that we do have.

  42. London says:

    What are you watching Jonjon?

  43. JonJon says:

    i still think we would of lost London… manutd are miles ahead of us in the big games…..

    but id rather see players picked on form than players picked because of their ‘superstar status’

    one hasnt played for two weeks and one might as well not have been playing for two weeks….

    i just think that two lads who ran their hearts out for the club at the weekend and got three goals between them would of been a better option than two players whos egos are larger than their medals suggest they are…if your in form you play…its that simple for me….

    its the same with the fa cup semi… song and AA were in form and they were dropped…. for denilson whos form had dropped and rvp who again had a niggle…

    ade hasnt been in conference form yet he was picked over a player who runs his heart out and got two at the weekend…. i dont rate bendtner that highly but id prefer him over an ade who hasnt give a toss…..

    wenger made a mistake in both ties i feel.

    the fans at the game deserved better for the noise they made….

    yes one slip was devastating and changed the tie…

    but 2 half hearted shots all game from us was a pathetic response….. there was no fight….

  44. JonJon says:

    london im watching the uefa semi between bremen and hamburg…

    i agree london that once the window had ended we had no choice to support the team…thats what we do thats what our hearts tell us to do….

    but on the other hand why wait all summer to make deals at the last minute…

    alonso was unsettled for weeks and we tried the bargain card of a last minute deal and got a tew fingured salute from benitez….

    if we would of offered the money they wanted when they wanted we would of got him…. and we had the money because were did AA come from??????

    we pissed about like we always do and we almost lost AA the same way….

  45. JonJon says:

    the thing with mistakes is that when you make the same ones over and over again season after season then win nothing and then tell the fans that we almost signed ronaldo…for the sake of a few quid….

    it starts to get a bit tedius….

    theres a pattern emerging and its not a shining light over the great mans career….

    these type of errors have to stop…its a kick in the balls when your laid in the gutter….

    if we get the old wenger back id be so happy because we’ll have the best manager in the world….

    as the post says this wenger isnt good for the club….when you compare this wenger to other managers he’s miles behind and its hurting everyone involved in the club because its going too far….

  46. benwell says:

    I think he played the correct line up at the start, we were all hoping and prayjng that some of the criticism of Barn Door might have galvanised him into a big performance and a few early digs in Ferdys rib cage but alas he’s happy enough with his £80 a week & screw us. We should find the bloke who dug him out in Lagos airport and buy him a few pints!

    The start was good but we didn’t need that slip on their first attack… the rest is history, as for the fans leaving ridiculously early well that really pissed me off up and down like a brides nightie letting the tossers out!!

    Still I hope that AW builds on what we have and strengthens the core, it doesn’t need major surgery just get rid of some and hopefully that will get some of the others out of their comfort zone.

  47. JonJon says:

    so after ades recent performances would anyone like to see him start against chelsea???

  48. avenell says:

    I’d like to see him start against Chelsea.. with a man city shirt on next year..

  49. Wrighty7 says:

    Groovy post that. Enjoyed it!

    EVENING EVERYONE!

  50. avenell says:

    Oi Oi wrighty..anything going on at your place?

  51. JonJon says:

    hi wrighty…

    just my thoughts exactley matey…

  52. London says:

    Good comment Benwell

    Jonjon

    That is a good point I doubt that there are many that would want to see Adebayor start against Chelsea. In that game it makes complete sense to start with Bendtner and Vela..it is clear that Wenger sees them as the future.

  53. Wrighty7 says:

    Jonjon,

    Ade has had his chance for me.

    I used to support him but since the summer I’ve found it hard to forgive his antics.

    He has done nothing but mouth off without backing it up.

    The lazy performances certainly hasn’t endeared to anyone.

  54. Wrighty7 says:

    Oy oy Avenell!

  55. JonJon says:

    so if noboby thinks he should start against chelski why should he of started against manure…????

    same player..same performances…why was wenger right to pick him in the biggest game of the season….??

  56. JonJon says:

    bremen have turned this tie around…. 1 nil down from the home leg… 1 nil down away and theyve pulled it back to 2-2 on aggregate…. thats mental strength….

  57. JonJon says:

    diegos a class act…

  58. London says:

    Because Adebayor and RVP represented this season and Bendner and Vela represent the future. Wenger started with next season’s team against Portsmouth, I reckon he will continue with that until the end of the season.

  59. Wrighty7 says:

    The thing is; A motivated Adebayor is a very big weapon that few can deal with.

    Even Terry and Ferdinand have said that Ade is the hardest player to play against in the past.

    We don’t see that player anymore. Just an over-paid lazy bastard who thinks that he is as good as Henry.

  60. JonJon says:

    i hope your right london… i really dont want ade here next season….and i dont mind if we replace robin either…

    AA and dudu with vela and bendtner as backup is better in my opinion….

  61. JonJon says:

    i lost it with ade last season and i gave him this season to prove himself….

    he hasnt…

  62. JonJon says:

    3-2 to bremen… what a game….

  63. JonJon says:

    3-3 bremen on away goals… wow…

  64. kelsey says:

    Good morning,
    The following is from a journalist on the daily mirror.i have no allegence to any tabloid,but this is quite factual about the way many of us feel.

    It is hard to believe that the same player could have said such contrasting things within the space of 24 hours.

    Yes, we’re back to my current pet topic: Emmanuel Adebayor.

    On Tuesday: “I often speak to Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani on the phone because he is very good at French as his wife is from Morocco,” Adebayor told Italian newspaper Tuttosport. “Galliani may not be as sexy as Beyonce, but Milan are.

    “For now I just want to finish the season on a high, but then we will see. My agent Stephane Courbis is in London with his Italian associate Vincenzo Morabito and they are always working day and night.”

    On Tuesday night: “Arsenal put me where I am today, They made me one of the biggest strikers in the world. I have to pay them back.

    “How am I going to pay them back? Make them win trophies. Thats what I am here for and I have to fight for that. Next season, 100 per cent, I am an Arsenal footballer.”

    Forgive me if I don’t believe a word that comes out of Adebayor’s mouth.

    On Monday, on the eve of Arsenal’s Champions League semi final, Adebayor is talking to an Italian newspaper about his future and the piece appears in Tuttosport on Tuesday.

    On Tuesday night after the game and flanked by an Arsenal press officer, Adebayor says quite the opposite.

    It reminds me of last summer when Adebayor categorically denied he was ready to leave Arsenal after stories appeared claiming that he wanted a huge new contract and wages to match Thierry Henry’s £100,000-a-week contract before he left to join Barcelona.

    All the time Adebayor was giving interviews to foreign press confessing his love for Barcelona and AC Milan and was desperate to move to the San Siro.

    Then the time Adebayor met Arsene Wenger at the Euros and told the Arsenal manager that he was committed – and then did a round of interviews at an adidas PR event the same day admitting he wanted out.

    Normally the big-name player uses his get-out-of-jail-free card by blaming the press for making up stories.

    This time, Adebayor got caught with his pants down and was jeered by the Arsenal fans in pre-season and at the start of the Premier League campaign.

    Cristiano Ronaldo was also involved in an ugly protracted transfer tug-of-war last summer but Manchester United fans have long since forgiven him because he’s so damned good.

    Sadly for Adebayor, this season has been a huge disappointment and his form has gone downhill ever since he signed a great big fat contract worth a whopping £80,000 a week.

    Adebayor used to be one of the hardest working strikers in the Premier League. He was everywhere. This season, Adebayor has been lazy and he looks like a player who thinks he has made it.

    Arsenal fans were outraged by Adebayor’s lacklustre performance at Old Trafford in the Champions League semi final first leg. His second leg performance wasn’t much better.

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    I got on the Tube to go to the game on Tuesday night and the two Arsenal fans sitting opposite me were slaughtering Adebayor, criticising his work rate, commitment and lack of goals.

    But what is most upsetting for Arsenal is that in all of Wenger’s 13 years in charge of the club never has he improved a player more than Adebayor.

    Adebayor arrived from Monaco in January 2006 for less than the £7m listed in many statistics books. I know this because Wenger was once asked about the fee and he was outraged, claiming they didn’t even pay half that.

    He was hopeless. I remember saying at the time that Arsenal should have signed Dean Ashton as at least he could score. But after six months training alongside Henry and Wenger, Adebayor began to show real progress.

    In his first full season he scored 12 goals. The next season he scored 30 goals and other clubs started taking notice. This season he has scored 16 goals but his work rate and commitment have been sorely lacking.

    Adebayor is the worst kind of example of a foreign mercenary. He has come to Arsenal, Wenger made him into the player he is today and now he starts saying that AC Milan are such a big club, blah, blah, blah.

    However, this is a problem that Arsenal have partly brought upon themselves.

    They sign a lot of foreign players cheaply, don’t pay them huge contracts and then do not get the same loyalty they would expect from a home-grown player.

    Mathieu Flamini joined Arsenal in 2004 and the Gunners only had to pay Marseille peanuts in compensation because he was not on a full professional contract at the French club.

    Four years later, Flamini, by now a free agent, leaves Arsenal for AC Milan where he has struggled this season to get a regular first team place despite signing an £80,000-a-week contract.

    But unfortunately if you live by the sword you die by the sword. Wenger criticised Flamini over his departure, but really what complaint can Arsenal have, having plucked him from Marseille in similar circumstances?

    Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Cesc Fabregas joined Arsenal at 16 and has turned down numerous overtures from Spain already. Henry grew to love the club and remains fiercely loyal.

    I think Adebayor will leave Arsenal this summer. It wouldn’t surprise me if before long we see another round of “I’m staying” interviews quickly followed by “Milan/Barcelona/Inter/Real Madrid are great clubs” interviews.

    It really is becoming beyond a joke. To talk about AC Milan on the day of a Champions League semi final is so disrespectful.

    Last March, Alex Hleb did something similar. The day before Arsenal played AC Milan in the Champions League in the San Siro, Hleb met Inter officials for an “ice cream.”

    Hleb, of course, joined Barcelona last summer and has barely got a kick this season. He spent last year moaning about London. Now he’s making noises about coming back to the Premier League. No thanks, Alex.

    This just all goes to show that the modern day footballer is out of touch with fans and are becoming increasingly mercenary and detached from real life.

  65. kelsey says:

    This is i feel a good read about barcelona,a club owned by the fans.

    http://www.davidbruceallen.com/strategyoped/2006/05/what_fc_barcelo.html

  66. London says:

    Morning Kelsey

    Good point about Ronaldo: if the mercenaries score goals then they are accepted but if they don’t then they are not. This says more to me about the misunderstanding that fans have of the modern day transfer system than it does of players loyalty.

  67. rico01 says:

    Good Morning All

  68. kelsey says:

    Morning rico,London.
    rico,
    we thought you had been transferred to another club or committed suicide after Tuesday night.Anyway nice to see you on the site again 🙂

  69. rico01 says:

    Setanta news yesterday said that Arsene WILL have substancial funds for this summer to spend.

    My little theory now that Stan has a big bundle of shares, and his side kick Ivan will tell Arsene to spend the money. I honestly believe Arsene has had no money the last 3/4 years and had an agreement to face the media with the ‘youth belief’ theory, protecting the club from the snakes in the media.

    I truly believe that behind the scenes things have settled a little and now Stan the Man is a bigger share holder, we may just get the benefit of a few of his dollars..

    I an with Ave, as his post says, I dont want Arsene out, but I want the old Arsene back, the one that got us some great players, who played great footbal and won..

    That has to start in a few weeks time, get out there Ivan and sort those players out for the sake of our future

  70. rico01 says:

    Hi kelsey – the game was dissapointing, and I wanted so bad for us to go through. Maybe, long term the loss will kick Stan and Ivan into gear. Like I just said, Arsene has been told he has funds, after Tuesday dispite what comes out in his interviews, he knows what he has to now do, and I think he will buy 3/4 players.

    I also believe we will see 3/4 players leave.

  71. kelsey says:

    I don’t disagree with you rico. Who are the players you think will leave? I will give you mine.

    Gallas(unfortunately)Ade and either Bedntner or RVP, with the provision that at 29 with one year left on his contract,Rosicky is passed fit to play again at the level we were used to, and to a certain extent the same applies to Eduardo.

  72. rico01 says:

    Ade
    Eboue
    Nik ?
    Randall
    Clichy ?
    Traore
    RvP ?

  73. rico01 says:

    add diaby and denilson to that kelsey

  74. JonJon says:

    morning all…

    hi rico 😉

    i feel we have to rectify the mistakes we made in the summer…we shouldnt get burned twice…

    there is no guarantees we are going to get a full season out of dudu, rosicky, diaby, rvp,

    they need either replacing or backing up….

    the same apllies to our africans….we will lose kolo ade ee and song….same again they need replacing or backing up….

    we could be looking at 8 new players….sounds alot…but if we dont do something about the crocks and the africans then next year we will have wenger and his AKB’s saying…we were unlucky….we lost key players at crucial parts of the season…next season will be our season….

  75. London says:

    Morning Rico

    It is good to have you back. I agree 100% with your 8:11 comment. Things will change with Stan the man at the helm.

  76. rico01 says:

    Morning JJ and London – good to see you all again, couple of crappy days so rather than be an old grump on here I thought I would spare you all 😉

    London – Stan the Man and his side kick Ollie Gazidis 😛

  77. JonJon says:

    its ok rico…ive been driving everybody mad…. 😉

    maybe i should of taken a few days off but i cant…this is my therapy… 😉

  78. London says:

    We love you Jonjon

    I think luck played a big part in it. Would United have done so well if they had lost Ferdinand for both games, which is the equal to losing Gallas? Would United have done so well if they had lost Rooney, which is, yet again, the equivalent of losing Eduardo? We made it to the semi finals of the Champions league which puts us in the top four clubs in the world, I like everyone else want to be at the top and changes will be needed to be made to achieve that but I don’t accept that we are so far away from achieving that aim and I certainly do believe that luck played a great part in the grand scheme of things. Some of us predicted that Gibbs’ inexperience was an accident waiting to happen but if that one tiny slip hadn’t have happened then things might have been a whole lot different.

  79. JonJon says:

    i agree that luck plays a very big part london…

    and i also agree that we arent that far away….

    but i firmly believe in football you create your own luck…we came so close last season…we had a better team and we just needed a couple more players to push on….

    we went into this season with too many injuries, too many young players and not enough backup and although we did well in patches…we dug our own graves…..

  80. London says:

    Superbly put Jonjon this is the point where we meet.

  81. JonJon says:

    that it was frustrates me about wenger though london…

    last summer killed this season and i know wengers better than that…

    the transfer activity that went on was straight out of the school of redknapp or allardyce and it frustrates me….

    i dont know whether it was a case of spending too much time doing media at the euros or his fathers death or both…

    but we havent seen the real arsene wenger this season and it started way back in june…

  82. London says:

    I agree Jonjon, I was as frustrated as anyone at the lack of transfer activity during the summer. I pointed to Denilson saying that it is too much to ask of him if we wanted to win the league this year.

    That is not to say that ultimately he will not become an extremely good player but it was asking too much and our league position reflects the sad truth of those concerns.

    Wenger’s stance, we are lead to believe, is that he expected to have Rosicky back, who supposedly would have played 80% of the games. I believe him, to me he acted in good faith and when he realised that the odds of Rosicky returning were diminishing he acted as soon as he could, which was the January transfer window, and bought Arshavin.

    The point where I divide with many people is once the January transfer window had closed I said to myself, the players we have are the players we have and I am going to try and find the good points rather than dwell on the bad.

    When I take my seat at the Emirates at the beginning of the game my attitude is that if a player is wearing a red and white shirt I will support him.

    I ask you, what is the point of being a season ticket holder if you are unhappy at the outset of every game? What is the point of even going? Better to take up gardening or some such tedious hobby. When Adebayor comes out I support him, if he plays well and scores I will praise him but if he lacks commitment I will be among the first to criticise him.

  83. JonJon says:

    thats a top comment london

  84. chaf says:

    London – great point.

    But I like Arsenal and gardening.

  85. London says:

    This must be a manc joke but it made me laugh

    Police have confirmed that 2 premiership footballers had their houses burgled on the same night. Ryan Giggs lost 70 Wales caps, 10 premiership medals, 2 Champions League, 1 European cup, 2 World club Champions, 8 Charity shield and 1 super cup medals.
    Emmanuel Adebayor has lost a kettle and a toaster.

  86. benwell says:

    Great points guys, I will always support who is out there and praise or criticise after but not boo.

    AW needs to adjust the squad as it wasn’t deep enough this season, in fact it is probably too big and needs some trimming down, lets get 2 of each position with a few utility players and that should do.

    We need more power as we are often out muscelled, we need to stamp authority on games and then play, the little flicks and stuff invairably don’t work when you are 1 or 2 down or even 0-0 but they still play it, which is wrong, your lesser teams parking the bus love that!

    I am always an optomist and I agree with Jon that AW took his eye off the ball last summer then because of departures his hand was forced by Barn Door as too many first teamers had gone, he should have cashed in if those offers were around as we all knew his limitations and questionable attitude.

    Still we can have a go at the Chavs on Sunday and start again, at least we weren’t 2 mins from Rome!!!

  87. chaf says:

    We were 120 minutes from Rome!

  88. JonJon says:

    benwell..

    thats what i used to love about wengers previuos sides…..if they couldnt play you off the park they’d kick you off it…teams couldnt deal with that…

    now wengers opted for just the purest form of the game…in theory it should work…but on a cold rainy december day on a crappy pitch against the likes of stoke it doesnt…

  89. rico01 says:

    Hi all, been out for a hair cut and come back to some great news – Theo has signed a new four year contract – £60.000 a week, right AFC, you need to cut Ade’s now to the same, there is no way the lazy lump deserves more than Theo, at Theo is young and ‘TRYS’ Ade is just a sulky old tinker…

    Kettles and Toasters don’t cost that much to replace 😉

  90. JonJon says:

    the other bonus of having theo tied down rico is that now he comes under the 25-30mil bracket… 😉

  91. peachesgooner says:

    Hiya

    I was coming on to tell you the good news that theo has signed but you already know – I realise that rico and I will be delighted at that news but that some of you will not……jonjon, ave, kelsey……..never mind we all still might get our other wished granted……..new DM new CB even a new striker 🙂

  92. peachesgooner says:

    other wishes granted 😳

  93. rico01 says:

    JJ, you old naughty one – he is going nowhere, otherwise peaches and i will be very very upset 😦

    Hi peaches – how are you doing, you will understand when i say thanks 😉

    This is going to be the big summer we have all been waiting for for four years – (hatrick of fors in there) :P)

  94. London says:

    My wish would be the other way around, I would have liked Theo to have got 80k a week instead of 60 after scoring 30 goals this season.

    Hello peaches did you find a ticket in the end?

  95. peachesgooner says:

    rico – you’re welcome 🙂

    London – I got smuggled in……..in a Rolls Royce…..its a great story that i probably shouldn’t reveal on the blog…….

  96. London says:

    Peaches you are such a tease 😉

  97. peachesgooner says:

    I could definitely be a spy except I always blab about what I’ve done…. 😳

  98. peachesgooner says:

    JJ – Theo may not have the tricks at the moment to always get away from his marker on the wing but I reckon he’s gonna be awesome turning those slow-footed centre-backs when hes up front 🙂

  99. JonJon says:

    agreed peaches…he needs to play as a striker…he his not a winger and hasnt improved enough to suggest hes going to be a great one… he has to play uptop…

    the question is does wenger trust him uptop…i reckon the new contract suggest he does….

    then the question is who does he replace?? robin or ade? or both… 😉

  100. peachesgooner says:

    well, as robin seems to be dragging his heels over signing his new contract who knows???????

    wouldn’t you just hate it for robin to go and be absolutely spectacular for someone else…….ade on the other hand can just go, i’ll pack for him 😆

  101. peachesgooner says:

    There seems to be a lot of talk about Diego Forlan at the moment and I remember that the season after he left Manu he was the top goal-scorer in Spain…….I would be gutted if Robin did someting like that to us 😦

  102. JonJon says:

    im sure robin would show glimpes of brilliance peaches if he left us and went somewhere else…but he’d also be injured alot….

    15-20mil for robin wouldnt be a bad deal…..

    if he doesnt want to sign then fair enough…i like robin…i think hes terrific when hes on form…but he aint consistent enough…he was magic for 2 months of this season….and hes been in and out of form for the rest….

    i dont know about diego forlan…i hope not…id rather have diego from bremen but i think hes off to juventus… 😦

  103. JonJon says:

    what gets on my nerves is when wenger does an interview and says that our midfielders this season are all under 22 and are 4th best in europe….

    i dont know how everyone else feels but it doesnt really make me happy…..

    imagine what place best in europe we’d be if we had a couple of international class 27-28 year olds in that midfield….

    then we can say we have a great team now….and a great team for the future…that would make me happy…

    the future is important but surely the present is more important to secure the future….???

  104. London says:

    I think Forlan’s success in Spain proved La Liga is an easier place to play than the EPL.

    IMHO. Theo doesn’t have the close control to take on the responsibility of being a main striker…yet. Yes, he can turn a striker but 80% of the teams that come to the Emirates park the proverbial bus which neutralises Theo’s speed and without that he’s pretty pedestrian…Now Vela, on the other hand, has all the close control a player could want.

    Diego was impressive last night, do you know how old he is Jonjon?

  105. London says:

    Come to think about it Forlan is not a bad idea. He is a much stronger player now than he was when he was with the mancs and he certainly has all the attributes to play Wengerball.

  106. London says:

    If you combined Walcott with Vela you would probably get Messi….just a thought that crossed my mind.

  107. Big Raddy says:

    If yu combined Arshavin’s control, shot, spatial awareness and speed with Bendtner’s size, we would have some player !

    Or a mix of Sagna and Gallas would be nice

  108. Big Raddy says:

    Forlan is 30,. No chance to become a Gunner.

    I fully expect us to start next season with the same personnel as this… Unless some players leave and need replacing. Should RvP leave, he won’t be missed and we have the players to take his position – it is AA’s natural place.

    Gallas? Well, Swiss Phil will return (I guess), and I expect song to end up as Kolo/JD’s partner in the long-term.

    But I would love to see a monster DM arrive. M. Diarra at Real or Ya Ya would be great.

  109. JonJon says:

    diego is 24 i think london…and i rate him highly….

    i would welcome yaya with open arms raddy but what would happen when the AFC comes up..????

    i would be surprised if we have the same team next year raddy…as well as dissapointed ….

  110. Big Raddy says:

    We shall see JJ. I really hope you are right and we see a number of new faces.

    Not because I don’t believe in this team, but because I don’t feel connected to them. Kelsey said that apart from Cesc, he wouldn’t be sorry to see any of them leave, and I feel the same. For the first time in 20 years, I have no real connection to the players – I loved TH, RP, DB, TA, God8,Grimaldi etc etc, but this bunch just don’t do it for me. Perhaps that will change and I will get to love them, but right now, I don’t.

    To Kelsey’s Cesc, I would add Clichy, who to me is a proper Gooner. Nik (for sentimental reasons) Dudu and Sagna.

    Having said that, like London, I will support anyone wearing the shirt, but I am passionate about The Arsenal and not this team.

    Or is that just semantics? 🙂

  111. peachesgooner says:

    JJ 😆 you can’t decide whether to be optimistic or pessimistic about this team then……..

    Stan Collymore has posed the question what should we, pool and the chavs do to keep up with Manu? He just said that if you combined the youth of arsenal with the pensioners at chavski you could have 2 very good teams 😆

  112. peachesgooner says:

    Raddy – thats a good point about having a loving connection with this team – I thought it was only me.

  113. Big Raddy says:

    Whilst I am writing to myself, I would add that I wrote ‘first time in 20 years’ because I fell out of love with Arsenal when I left London in the late 70’s and lost almost decade of Goonerdom. I watched from afar, but in those pre-Sky days, it was difficult to be attached.

    And of course, there was family and career and other replacement addictions ;-D

    I came back to the fold at the Steve Williams stage, 85/86. Just in time to enjoy the GG years.

    I don’t know if any of you have stopped being addicted to football, but a strange thing happens. You stop meeting people who are football mad, and a whole new world of interests open up. I went to galleries on a Saturday afternoon. Read the paper from the front and not the back. Didn’t suffer the emotional lows after a loss etc etc

    Returning to London, and renewing my Season ticket gave me back all the wonderful feelings of belonging. And even now that I live 800 miles from the ground, I am as emotionally involved as I was from my first visit to Highbury (we played Stoke and George Eastham was our Cpt )

    But our current team doesn’t attack me viscerally – until the signing of Arshavin.

  114. JonJon says:

    raddy that is one of the best ways of saying it….

    we have no connection to those in the shirt…

    i have a certain bond with kolo gael and cesc and now AA….

    but the rest of them i dont connect with….

    i will support my team also, but i wont be blinded by average players being built up like superstars…..especially when season after season they fail to suggest anything else but borderline above average……

    im not saying this is going to happen to us because i love the team too much….but its going down the same road as the english national team…..

    it isnt as popular as what it once was simply because we have grown tired of overpaid pampered ‘superstars’ that never deliver and probably more importantly we have no connection with the playres in the national side anymore…..

    its sad but true….

    we need some darlings of the crowd….we need some flair combined with passion back in this squad….a backbone….

    benwell made the comment earlier that the pretty tricks and flicks are nice….. but id rather see 90mins of blood and sweat for the badge…then you can try your tricks and flicks….

    you could be the least gifted player in the side…but if you chase every ball….go in for every tackle and header…run around like arsenal meant everything to you….the crowd will love you…win lose or draw…..

    ive read around a few blogs and many bloggers refer to the fact that we arent that far away from manure because we almost took the league last season…

    its a different team from last season…we have gone backwards without a doubt…the gap is massive however optimistic you want to look at things….

  115. Big Raddy says:

    Sorry Peaches. Didn’t realise you were here.

    Very impressed with your ‘adventure’

  116. Big Raddy says:

    Nor you JJ. Valid points.

  117. JonJon says:

    peaches…

    to answer your question…my heart tells me to be optimistic…but my eyes and my head tell me that although we are developing…we arent devoloping quick enough…and it will be the same every season until we find the right balance….

    some of these players will come good….but not all of them…its impossible….

    over 5 years wenger will devolop some belting players….but also he will be left with some donkeys and for some reason its the donkeys that seem to always get into the squad….

  118. JonJon says:

    raddy… your 7.51

    that was a good read mate… really good…

  119. London says:

    Big Raddy

    I think you might be the twin I never had 😉

  120. London says:

    That is a fascinating comment Big Raddy I think I rejoined the fold in 87/88

    Chaf when did we move out of the North Bank and into the Lower East? He remembers these things better than me. I am like a gold fish, once around the tank and I have forgotten everything I am sure that is what helps me keep going to Arsenal I forget so quickly the pain of previous loses.
    I can only assume that this is why women go on to have more than one child: something inside allows them to forget the pain and triggers optimism enabling them to go through the whole experience again.

  121. London says:

    Arshavin is the best player we have at the club. I think I said this before and someone said something about it depends on what position….tosh. Arshavin is the best footballer we have.

  122. peachesgooner says:

    I returned to the fold in 97/98 having spent 10 years repeatedly giving birth so I trump you all on both counts 😉

  123. JonJon says:

    here here london….

    AA is a bums on seats player….his best position is in the hole where he can control the game but i agree he his that good you could put him anywhere and he’ll do a job….

  124. JonJon says:

    i cant say ive ever been out of the fold… arsenal has been my life since i could remember…..

    i couldnt switch off when my grandad was about and then i couldnt switch off when wenger was about… 😉

    i suppose they’ll be a phase…but you always find your way home…. you guys are perfect examples…

  125. London says:

    All roads lead to Arsenal

  126. London says:

    10 years! How many children do you have Peaches?

  127. London says:

    Jonjon

    I think the best thing that could happen to Fabregas would be to lose the captaincy to Arshavin, that would shake him out of his comfort zone.

  128. JonJon says:

    london… you was the 1st person i beleive to mention AA as a future captain…and i second that notion..

  129. peachesgooner says:

    One of the reasons I’m prepared to be optimistic about this team is that I’ve reached an age when I can see the importance of developing a player rather than buying ready made a superstar to pull on our shirt that we instantly have to love.

    I find that I am very proud of Song for example now that he is putting in better performances. He has grown on me – if he has any idea of how we felt about him a couple of months ago then good luck to him for sticking to his game. I think I said the same about Eboue last week.

    Saying that, if Arsene had bought Alonso in the summer I would have been delighted as I knew that Cesc wanted him to play alongside him and that was important too. Also, he would have been a great addition to our squad, I think I’m beginning to sound too much like a mummy now……..

  130. London says:

    You must be because I agree with every word you have just said 😉

  131. peachesgooner says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

  132. JonJon says:

    peaches

    i feel your passion for song…he’s been a revelation and i hope he continues his devolpment because i fully admire a person who can take all the stick that lad has at such a young age and then pull performances out of the bag like he has…

    on the other hand players like diaby and ade especially do my box in…

  133. peachesgooner says:

    …..passion might be bit strong JJ but if he carries on developing then why would we want to let him go…..

    Thats the problem with the youth experiment, we give these young players their chance and when they’re not good enough – probably not their fault – they’ll be tossed away……..

    Adebayor is not in the same bracket cos hes already booked his taxi……

  134. Big Raddy says:

    Well said Peaches. I feel the same about homegrown….

    but AA proves that an outsider brings impetus to the team. Perhaps being so much of a ‘family club’ stops the aggression needed to succeed at the very highest level.

    JD is a case in point, he is too nice. I would love to see him go through the back of a player like Bouldy. OK, he gets a yellow, but the CF ‘knows he is there’

  135. JonJon says:

    id love an old fashion CB like bouldy…. or keown….

    im one of those from the school of thought that a good bone crunching is as good as a goal for lifting the noise in the crowd… i love a good tackle…. shows fire….

  136. peachesgooner says:

    I agree Raddy that AA has added a lot to the team and I’m delighted for us – he is going to be a legend and the younger players will have someone to look up to which also important.

  137. peachesgooner says:

    You know how I love Sol Campbell, I was always filled with awe that he could tackle so deftly……clearly knew what he was doing…….wonderful……

  138. JonJon says:

    campbell was in a league of his own….he was arguably one of wengers best bargains….

    without that man at the back we wouldnt of got over adams as quick as what we did…

  139. JonJon says:

    as they say peaches tackling is an art in itself….it is also a large part of the beautiful game….sol could tackle a train he had that art perfected….

    for some reason weve forgotten how to tackle…..

  140. peachesgooner says:

    ……toure put in some fine tackles the other night….

    Its the tackling further up the pitch that doesn’t happen anymore – we’re more likely to give away a free-kick in the final third than try and win the ball back early on.

    Does that make sense I’m not very good at those tactical explanantions?

  141. JonJon says:

    i makes perfect sense peaches….

    i wonder if that has anything to do with ade… mmm 😉

  142. peachesgooner says:

    …..ade just loses the ball period!!!!!!!!!

  143. JonJon says:

    ive mentioned before its like watching a game of tennis watching arsenal with him in the team….

  144. peachesgooner says:

    …thats such a good analogy JJ, I thought so the other day when you mentioned it…..

    You should be there its so boring 😦

  145. JonJon says:

    it would do my head in peaches….

    i dont really beleive we need a big target man…especially if the target man cant keep the ball for more than a single touch…

    im more of a beleiver that your strikers main assets should be intelligence, movement, speed, to lose your marker and finshing for obvious reasons

    it good to have someone on the bench who can come on and act as a battering ram but essentially you want your strikers to have that good first touch to get them that extra few yards….

    you can be a little man but hold the ball up better than a big man as long as the ball is played to feet and you have a good touch…

    long balls dont work if you are always offside and you cant keep the ball even when you get it…

    i dont agree with the fact ade struggles because he is isolated…. ade struggles because he is ade… he brings most of the problems he has on himself….

  146. peachesgooner says:

    yep I agree with all that JJ

    its just not the football we’re used to watching and it only works once in a blue moon so why persist with it????????????????????

    Very frustrating…….

  147. peachesgooner says:

    avenell – where are you, don’t you want to talk to us?

  148. Big Raddy says:

    The player we are crying out for is a 26 y.o. PV4.

    The man was fantastic, a true leader, and a hugely talented player.

    It’s the spine thing again. Lehmann Sol PV TH. No wonder we were so good

  149. peachesgooner says:

    Tuesday night we needed a guvnor out there….somewhere in that team someone to take charge……pref in mid-field but you’re right raddy we have no spine……

  150. rico01 says:

    Good Morning everyone, not that there is anyone to say hello to 😦

  151. rico01 says:

    Back later 😦

  152. peachesgooner says:

    Hello

    Anyone about?

  153. benwell says:

    We certainly need more grit and we have never replaced Paddy which is odd considering AW built the invincibles around him.

    If Song continues with his remarkable progress he could be the one, he is a big lump who can win a ball and pass,seems to read the game well as long as he is in the middle. So if AW is going to persist on his stubborn course I hope I am right.

    Unfortunately I can’t see a blood and guts centre half in our midst, he should go and find a good Eastern European or have a look in in the Championshib aka Lescott/Jagjelka etc.

    It’s remarkable that other managers like the Pompey turncoat used to look at the sheer size of the Invincibles and be intimidated, now it’s mainly the didi men.

    Lets hope that Cesc/Song can be the next Paddy/Manu AA the new DB and Kolo the new Sol and we might be geting somewhere, dreams are great aren’t they????
    Feel better now…….

  154. benwell says:

    Oh I forgot the number 14 lets hope it’s a given!!

  155. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Bit late on reading your post avenell, but a good point you make. I’ve gotta admit that I went back to bed @ half time, & had an extra 2 hours of sound sleep. They were gone, & I had better things to do.

    But onto The ethos of Mr Wenger. He said once upon a time that Arsenal punched above their weight during the Highbury days, & I’m sure he was meaning in Europe. The proposed Stadium @ the time was mean’t to give The Gunners more fire power obviously from more turnover, etc, etc. But here we are in May 2009 & Arsenal are still punching above their weight, not because that is their position in Europe, its because he won’t spend. & I find that so frustrating.

    Is it easier for him to just play this “oh look @ how well we’ve done with kids, we should be proud” than to go for some real quality, seasoned players that if he doesn’t pull off absolute Glory, he will be shown up as not being up to it anymore, therefore he gets the arse. A conspiracy theory I know, but there is no doubt something is not right, & time is now Arsene Wenger biggest enemy as he stands his ground on policy.

  156. kelsey says:

    I have really enjoyed being part of AR but i feel it is time to move on.I wish you all the very best.

  157. avenell says:

    Sorry to hear that Kelsey.. Thanks for your contribution…

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