A Few Thoughts From My High Horse

The Usmanov PR machine has been out and about this morning: promises of cash injections to be used to buy new players are rife. This does not sit well with the cynic in me, it smacks of opportunism. Having just suffered the indignity of two humiliating defeats we are at our most vulnerable, like a sweaty paedophile offering sweets to children outside school, if we are foolish enough to take what might seem like a treat I suspect we will regret it for a long time to come. In our case the enticement being offered in a grubby little bag from a fat sweaty hand is the equivalent of David Villa with all the intoxicating lure that sugar has to a ten year old.

The sad reality is that the signing David Villa is about as likely as the signing of Messi. Maybe a tad better because of the debt that Valencia have but equally as unlikely that either will play for Arsenal this coming season.
Apart from making it clear in every interview he ever gives that he does not want to leave Spain both Barcelona and Real Madrid need new strikers either of which are capable of out bidding us but even if we imagine that he is just saying he doesn’t want to leave Spain to push the price up, Chelsea would out bid us by whatever it took and there is no reason why David Villa is more likely to want to play at Arsenal than Chelsea. I know it is good to have a dream but unfortunately I just cannot see how this dream is going to come true.

The season hasn’t even finished and the cries for change are so loud that they have been heard in Uzbekistan and I must admit that I am going through my vocal warm up exercises as I write this but when it comes to the craving of new strikers it seems to me that some of us are accidentally in danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Until a striker reaches 23 you really can’t be certain just how good he is going to be and if we are not careful we could miss out on a very special player, just ask Juventus, why I hear you say; has London gone mad again, no just mention the name of Thierry Henry to any Juventus fan and they will let out a deep sigh as their gaze moves embarrassingly towards the floor. They sold him just before his 23rd birthday and Wenger was there with open arms. The rest my friends is history as they say, a history that gives us a warm inner glow.
Ok, that’s enough warm glow I am trying to make a serious point here: Bendtner 20, Walcott, 20, Vela 19; are far too young to consider selling.

It might appear that the board room is in turmoil but this is not my impression. It seems to me that a very orderly transition has taken place and the reigns of power have been handed from Fizman and the long term shareholders including Hill-Wood over to Kroenke. There is of course the question of Lady Nina’s shares that could still tip the balance of power but as I have said before I cannot see her wanting to do anything that would hurt Arsenal so my guess is that Kroenke is working on the basis that they are in the bag. That said, if the noise made from the Usmanov camp in this morning’s little sortie is anything to go by they are not going to give up until the fat man sings.

The one good thing, above all, that is clear about Kroenke is that he has not bought into Arsenal for reasons of purely increasing his personal wealth. It seems to me that people like Kroenke enter into these ventures for very similar reasons as the world’s leading poker players go to Las Vegas: they want to be, and be seen, at the table of the “Big Game”. I am not trying to say that he is gambling with Arsenal I am trying to say that by having a controlling interest in the club he has an important component that gets him a seat at the “Big Table” of world sport; it is an essential part of his sports portfolio that gets him recognition as a global player. Simply put, this is an ego thing.

OK Stan, you have got your shiny new toy car in Arsenal lets see how fast you can make it go.

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228 Responses to A Few Thoughts From My High Horse

  1. London says:

    Good Morning everyone again, I had written a post last night ready to go this morning but I forgot to press save as I closed down Word…not a happy bunny.

  2. avenell says:

    Morning London.. A very good post and plenty to discuss during the course of the day or so..

    I accidently deleted a post a few weeks ago, the re writing is one of the hardest things to do, I hate computers.. :(

  3. avenell says:

    Ade is showing his support and respect for Arsenal..

    “It is not true, it is about money.”

    “You are talking about in life and it is about money. When we are young, of course we played because we loved the game, we play because we were passionate about the game.”

    “But now as soon as you reach a stage where you are professional and playing Champions League, after all those things we are talking about money.”

    “If it is not because of money, what am I going to be playing for Arsenal for? If it is not because of money I don’t think I would go to Arsenal to play. I would stay in my country, I would stay Lome where everyone loves me.”

    “If its not because of money, I would not have come to Europe.”

  4. JonJon says:

    good afternoon all….

    fine post…i agree with the fact the young strikers at the club are too young to sell…therefore Rvp and Ade are the obviuos choices to leave and create funds for a super duper striker that actually knows where the goal is….

    but if we got a bid for theo in the 20-25 mil bracket..would you take it???

    ive just read that article on the togonese twat and he can fuck off back to where he belongs….which is under a fucking rock….prick…pardon the french but what a wanker…we should of sent him packing last season

  5. JonJon says:

    also can i point out that although i dont want the uzbek to have any say in our club….if he offers to pay off our debts….i wouldnt object….then we can continue to run self sufficent without the burden of 318mil or whatever it is…??

  6. avenell says:

    Afternoon Jonjon..

    What happens when the russian gets the same thirst for managers like Abramovich?..
    I put half a billion in and I want Wenger out, then I put half a million in and I want van Basten out..etc

    very dangerous ground letting him have too much power..

  7. JonJon says:

    the thing is ave is that he isnt the majority shareholder…he cant do that….he may invest 318 mil to clear our debts which are so obviuosly holding us back but that still wont give him the right to chop and change as he pleases….

    its a total different situation to chelsea…chelsea is a monopoly….

    we have two billionaires on board…if one wants to clear or debts then we should let him….the people who have the power still want to keep the set up as normal…nothing changes…the only thing that changes is that we dont have to wait 24 years before competing with the others on every level….which is after all why we moved to the emirates in the 1st place…

  8. avenell says:

    Why would one want to clear all the debts for no extra power?
    Bear in mind they “only” have £150 million pounds each invested in the club.. Then you expect a £350 million pound investment from one with no strings attached.. mmm

  9. JonJon says:

    thats a good point ave…

    maybe hes given up on the fact of taking total control and wants to help….he isnt getting let in is he so maybe its a gesture of good faith…

    i dont know…but under the current circumstances…id take it…

  10. London says:

    Afternoon Jonjon

    The promise to pay of the debt strikes me as no more than a manipulative sound bite.

    The only good I can see coming from this is that it might force Kroenke to show off a bit in an attempt to woe us the fans for the purpose of trying to prove that he is the right man for the job.

    Every time a new owner has stepped into either Manu, Liverpool, Villa and of course Chelsea they have not been able resist showing off their wealth, which could be a good thing for us as you have no idea how much I would like those words about David Villa I wrote above stuffed down my throat.

    Maybe I am getting carried away but a bit of an ego clash between Kroenke and Usmanov might not be such a bad thing, a bit of good old fashioned cold war rivalry between the Septics and the Russians.

    I know he is not Russian but it is so easy to imagine Kroenke dismissing anyone from the ex Soviet Union as a Russian, a sort of space race in which they both spend ludicrous amounts of money to be the first to put a man on the moon only in our case the equivalent seemingly impossible feat would be that of putting the Champions League in our trophy cabinet.

  11. avenell says:

    You ignoring me London?.. :(

  12. London says:

    How are you Ave?

  13. London says:

    Actually I thought your 1:32 was spot on

  14. avenell says:

    I only wanted a Good Afternoon.. lol..

    not bad thanks..

    Something a bit interesting .. Rico’s mate who knows Pat Rices son said that Pat is not stepping down as no2 Arsenal confirmed that 2 days later..
    He also said Ade has been told to find a new club..
    I live in hope!!

  15. JonJon says:

    hi london….

    either or matie…either or…but one of them needs to plunge some funds into the club…whether it be to ease the debts or in the transfer kitty and not just on shares…because this cant go on… we ahve two billionaires at this club and a millionaire diamond thief cough dealer….

    to say we are stuck to finding kids and bargains is a joke….

    they are both here now and dominate the shares…it doesnt look like either of them are going anywhere so we might as well see some of that money they have so much of…

  16. avenell says:

    Man U’s owners just keep borrowing against the clubs assets.. They even borrowed against the club to chuck there own debts in..
    We don’t need loads more money we have a cheap 23 year loan on £250 million of our debt..
    Wenger could sell some of what we have to fund better players. add a bit of TV and Champions League dosh we will be up there..

    There is no such thing as a free lunch..

  17. JonJon says:

    i wouldnt even sell ade….id fine him 4 years wages and make him play in the reserves….

  18. JonJon says:

    they dont have to plough millions in…even if usmanov doesnt pay the debts off… whats wrong with the pair of them putting their hands in their pockets and go in together to fund a player like villa…..???

    im sure 20mil a piece wouldnt be missed…

    we have a quality player….the board are seen as saviours…. everyones a winner…

  19. JonJon says:

    manutd are another example of a monopoly….

    there owners can do what they want….we still have a board in place even if someone wanted to borrow against the club the others wouldnt let them…theres still a democracy in our board room….

    if money was ploughed in it would have to be from somewhere else(their own back pocket) because i cant see the rest of them agreeing to using the club as a tool to do it….

    thats the advantage we have over teams like chelsea and manure…

    liverpool sort of have it the same as us but gillet and hicks couldnt run a piss up in a brewery

  20. avenell says:

    If you owned half a house, would you redecorate it top to bottom out of your own pocket if you wanted to buy the other half?
    No.. you would try to buy it first then decorate it.

  21. chaf says:

    Good afternoon everyone.

    A good read London, that creative writing course is doing wonders.

    It wasn’t long ago that I was hearing from my friends that ‘Arsenal do things properly’, ‘we don’t need overseas owners’ and similar opinions. What is going on, has everyone accepted that this is the only way to keep up with the Jones’s?

    I thought a few years back that Dein would come back with the Russian and save everything. Was Dein booted out because he was pushing to sell out, like Manure, Scousers and Chelski, maybe someone could tell me?

  22. avenell says:

    Afternoon Chaf..
    I think the Russian bullshited Dein, just to get his foot in the door then outed him..

  23. chaf says:

    Really?

    Pity he didn’t meet Adebayor first..

  24. avenell says:

    And after he pulled his money out the club.. Dein started telling everyone else what to do with their investment..

  25. JonJon says:

    if i owned half a house… and i had the money to do up the lot and make it look nicer…i would do if it meant my half would increase in value…

    if uzmanov clears our debts so we could progress and win trophies…the value of the club would rise…his stake in the club would be worth more…

    we are 3-4 players away from doing what manure are doing….

    if we could go on to claim back to back doubles we’d be a world brand..along with the prise money…the value of the club would increase…he could make that money back in the space of a couple of years with interest…

    but thats a big if…but businessmen wouldnt be successful if they didnt take risks….speculate to accumulate….

  26. avenell says:

    But the half you want to buy would increase in value as well..

    What happens when the Russia change goverments and Putins successor wants to regain the assets from the gangsters who have stolen russia’s money?

    He is in a vulnerable position .. Do you want arsenal more involved than they are?

  27. Big Raddy says:

    Evening

    Boardroom issues have never interested me. I have a rudimentary understanding of economics and as such keep my beak out of it.

    But on a purely emotive basis, I would prefer that neither of these foreign fellows get their hands on the ‘crown jewels’. Sadly, there is little likelihood of them backing down without a fight, and the Arsenal are going to pay for their dispute.

    We could benefit with both of these guys ploughing money into the club under the proviso that the money is spent on playing staff, a bit like the Barca Presidency.

    As to Ade’s money statement. At least he is honest, and factual. Why would anyone in his situation leave their homeland unless there is financial benefit? Where he fails is that he doesn’t thank the very people who are paying his wages …..us. What a pillock.

  28. avenell says:

    Hi Raddy..
    The problem is the boardroom are so important now, get the wrong ones in and we are knackered.. I would rather we was like Barcelona.. owned by the fans..

    As for Ade.. I don’t remember DB10 talking like that and he was about the third richest player in England when he was playing..

  29. London says:

    Afternoon Chaf

    The way I see it is that Dein has been a victim of his own ambition from start to finish. It’s true he was the one that introduced Kroenke to Arsenal; we are led to believe that he brokered the deal in which Fizman sold the initial batch of shares to Kroenke. Fizman did this with his eyes open reassured by the introduction from his mate Dein.

    It is at this point where everything turned sour. Fizman, Hill-Wood and the others suddenly realised that there was more to Dein helping someone buy a few shares; Dien wanted to run the whole thing with Kroenke as his backer. This sent Fizman and Hill-Wood running for cover; they had enough power to get rid of Dein which they did and then battened down the hatches against Kroenke.

    Enter Usmanov fresh from buying Deins shares. Who was zooming who here is not clear to me, probably six of one and half a dozen of the other; the deal was that Dein would sell his shares to Usmanov with the promise that if Uzmanav’s take over was successful Dein would run things with Usmanovs backing. It didn’t take long before it became obvious that that was not going to happen and Usmanov realised that Dein was a liability and got rid of him.

    In the mean time the board came to the realisation that they were not financially strong enough to continue the way they were so they agreed that the best course of action was to help Kroenke enter and control things which he has done: I think he now owns 30% and is the largest share holder. Usmanov owns 25% so by no means completely out of the running but as I have said many times I cannot see that Lady Nina will do anything to harm Arsenal so I reckon that Kroenke is working on the basis that they are in the bag.

    So we are now under the control of the yanks. Step one, in my opinion, should be to take the shackles off Wenger. There is so much to say about this part I will save it for a main post.

  30. avenell says:

    In 91′ dein owned 41% of the club but has sold out to various buyers.. Fizsman, Usmanov and Kroenke.. I think he just wanted his power back on other peoples money.

    I don’t think Kroenke has quite reached the magic 30% yet or he would have to make an offer for the rest of the shares..

  31. chaf says:

    And there’s me thinking it was a sport.

  32. Big Raddy says:

    Chaf. I’m with you on this, but accept it is important.

  33. London says:

    Good point Ave, I forgot about the significance of the magic 30%.

  34. London says:

    Ave can you check your email

  35. JonJon says:

    i just want someone at the club to put their money where their mouths are…

    whats all the fuss about taking over arsenal???? whats the intentions of those fighting for power???

    are they here to drain us or are they here to help us???

    at the minute its all abit of a haze but if one of the billionaires turned round and said i’ll stump up the cash for the debt, then i dont see the harm in that…. id prefer it to be kroenke…he looks like the one whos going to own the club in the next few years anyway…. but if usmanov wants to plough his millions in then let him…

    he’ll never own arsenal as long as kreonke has the share advantage and if he forks out for the debt i doubt he’ll be able to fork out for the rest of the shares either….he’ll never own us…. so he cant use it to hold us to ransom if it all turns sour like abramovich or the glaziers can with chelsea or manutd….

    i like the way we are doing things but its going too slowly and abit of investment to make us great again quicker than expected wont hurt in my eyes…

    its not like hes offering to be a sugar daddy…and buying up players for silly money like citeh or chelsea..hes offering to help out on the loan thats restricting us…

    we’ d still be the same club…we’d still be run the same…but without that sodding debt…. then it takes the shackles off wenger to improve the squad were it needs improving

    no matter what way we look at it our foreign board members are here to stay…..so we should take advantage of that…

    what was the point in moving stadiums if the money we generate from it only goes to the banks for the next god knows how many years????

    i thought the emirates was supposed to help us compete with manure on a regular basis…if id of known it wasnt going to be for another million years id of rather stayed at highbury….we were competing better when we were there….

    i know most of you wont agree but its just my opinion after 4 years of lies, more lies and needless regression….

  36. avenell says:

    Yeah I got it London.. ;)

  37. avenell says:

    We would have died a slow financial death at highbury..
    Having the Emirates is like buying a new house with your first mortgage you have to eat in a lot more..
    But in the long run.. :)

  38. London says:

    Superb analogy Ave, top drawer. I know you are right but I still can’t stop myself feeling nostalgic about the old house from time to time.

  39. London says:

    Jonjon

    I agree, in as much that I would like to see as much money pumped into the club as possible but Usmanov is not going to give the club money without getting something in return, what would you like to see him given?

  40. JonJon says:

    i know ave… i know… i guess i just find it frustrating that all these clubs are using their investors and we are hiding ours…i know weve got a tradition and dont get me wrong…it makes me proud as an arsenal boy to do the things the way weve done them…but i just feel like like we are stuck in a tunnel and the light is nowhere to be seen…

    this sodding debt is hampering us and it drives me mad watching the mancs win everything and liverpool lift the CL and we have to be satisfied with a struggle for fourth and semi finals….

    we were years ahead of liverpool a few years back and now we cant complete with them…it used to be liverpool finishing 20 points behind the leaders and now its us and it hurts….

    id love wenger to do it with this team but i just dont see it happening…i see the same every year until it comes to the point were we finish outside the top four and wenger says we are still improving…next year…next year…next year…im sick of those words….id rather him just say the next ten years will be tough but then we will be back…its false advertising… hehe ;)

  41. JonJon says:

    london…if he gave that money id let my sister marry him in return… ;)

  42. JonJon says:

    no i take that back… ive already told her shes marrying Arshavin.. :lol:

  43. London says:

    Jonjon

    I don’t believe that the stadium debt is as bigger weight around our neck as some might think. It seems to me that it has been organised in a very manageable way. Ave’s analogy is perfect, it is like buying a new house with a new mortgage; we have had to eat in more then we would like. But with a new person in control, which is what Kroenke is, I am hoping that he starts advocating that we live it up a bit, throw a party or two.

  44. JonJon says:

    with a few strippers!!! :oops:

  45. JonJon says:

    and a huge swimming pool… and as long as michael barrymore isnt invited

  46. JonJon says:

    jacky would need armbands though and we’d have to be quiet after 9 o clock when he went to bed….

  47. London says:

    Hahahahahah nice one Jonjon, perfect timing, just as the third glass of wine was kicking in.

  48. JonJon says:

    we’d have to invite adebayor so we could play pin the tail on the donkey…

  49. London says:

    LMFAO

  50. avenell says:

    Wigan 1 ManU nil lol

  51. JonJon says:

    i want tevez..

  52. JonJon says:

    and lescott…and alonso…then we have our spine

  53. JonJon says:

    morning everyone…

    news is chelsea want ade to replace drogba….

    hahahahahahahaha….lets rob em blind…

  54. rico01 says:

    Morning all – so Ade could be off to the chavs if the current AC boss takes over from Hiddink, we are in for a 17yr old striker – the latter sadly seems the more likely

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/346287327?-19387

  55. avenell says:

    Morning Rico..

    If I was Abramovich I would sack the new manager before he even starts.. If he comes up with clever idea’s like that..

  56. rico01 says:

    Morning ave – he has always rated Ade, but I havent seen anywhere that he is definately taking over at Chelsea – have you ?

  57. JonJon says:

    can u imagine chelsea if the sign ade….

    chelsea rely on the long balls…..hahahahahaha…they wouldnt even finish in the top for if ade was their main striker….

    they can have him….

  58. rico01 says:

    Morning JJ – the sad thing is, knowing our luck he will suddenly find his shooting boots and start scoring a bucket load of goals for them –

    but if its true, we should push for a lot of money from the chavs, but i cant see it happening personally :(

  59. rico01 says:

    I reckon we will beat Manure on Saturday :P

  60. avenell says:

    He probably will score a few goals at first for his new club.. but once he gets used to the size of his new wage packet the novalty will wear off and he will become lazy again..

  61. JonJon says:

    i dont think he’ll ever hit a bucket load of goals rico…

    he isnt a natural finisher and he is lucky to play in a team who plays the way we do…

    the team doesnt rely on ade to play well….he relies on the team…..

    if he went to chelsea he’d be expected to win games by himself as well as score shed loads….the way chelsea play everything will go through ade and we all know ade doesnt have the required attributes….

    he doesnt work he cant win headers and he cant hold the ball up….

    it would be schevchenko all over again… hahahahaa

  62. Big Raddy says:

    No way will the Chavs be stupid enough to buy Ade.

    Be great if they did though !

  63. avenell says:

    Hi Raddy.. We was stupid enough to give him £80-£120k a week so we can only hope.. lol..

  64. rico01 says:

    I have dreamt of this for so long, Lord please now look after this man for a few years

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/346348131?-19387

  65. Big Raddy says:

    A fit Mozart is a wonder to behold. He can take AA’s position on the left, leaving AA to play SS and Theo in the middle. A new right winger and Bob’s your Uncle. Alternatively, we can play Theo outwide and Dudu through the middle.

    NB is Plan B, and occasionally Plan A – when we play Northern Monkey’s like Stoke, Wigan, B’burn.

    But, should Ade not find a club, will AW allow a £20m striker to play in the stiffs ?

  66. rico01 says:

    Hi Raddy – I think Ade is a Goner rather than a Gooner now, since Arsene came out and said his behaviour was disruptive I believe the decision was made. I don’t think he will go to the chavs, but will go abroad, and the conclusion of his downward spiral of his short lived career will take place. I think he will go to AC Milan and join another money minded fool.

    I suggested a little while ago that Thomas may have ten minutes this season, I really hope he does in our last home game, the fan’s would be lifted, a ‘nice’ way to end the season. Thomas will have all summer then to train hard, and next season – …..

    I can’t wait – a fit Thomas, and three new players in and many out..

  67. London says:

    I got excitement shivers down my spine and my eyes clouded up when I heard Wenger say Rosicky was back in full training.

    I don’t think that Wenger has ever showed any favouritism towards Adebayor and if a combination of Eduardo and Bendtner or Eduardo and RVP is working I doubt if Wenger will care if Adebayor is in the stiffs. He will always be a good impact sub….at the very worst.
    I will not be as disappointed as some if he is still with us next year. Adebayor was at his best when he was supplied by Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky. When that triumvirate broke down so did Adebayor’s performances; next season he is going to be supplied by Fabregas, Rosicky and Arshavin and the Russian is so talented that he may be able to make Adebayor look good again.

  68. avenell says:

    My only concern with the midfield is.. we either sacrifice total football and go with a DM such as Song.. or we are going to have a defensive nightmare defending corners.
    Arsh, Nasri, Fabregas and Rosicky are not the greatest in the air.. and if we get rid of the tall centre forward we will have trouble defending when the tall CH’s from opposing teams go forwards.

    Even in the 2004 side Vieira, Gilberto, Pires, Henry and Bergkamp were all 6′ and over..

  69. London says:

    Hi Rico

    I do agree with your idea that Wenger is not happy with Adebayor and one half decent offer and he will be gone.

  70. rico01 says:

    Hi London – he is a goner, I am sure.

  71. rico01 says:

    ave – Nik’s over 6′, he defends on set pieces, he even scores own goals ;)

  72. avenell says:

    So Nikki is your first choice striker now.. how times have changed.. ;)

  73. Big Raddy says:

    That is so funny Avenell ! We just have to have a defensive re-shuffle.

    Much as I admire Kolo, and hve hopes for the Swiss boys, the evidence shows we have a weak defence. If we play with two attacking FB’s, then we have to have a rock solid moble pair of CB’s (WG is one of them) and a shielding DM. Perhaps Song can be that man, but to put that kind of responsibility upon the shoulders of a boy is asking too much. We have to sign someone and make Song cover

  74. London says:

    Yep I agree, to much responsibility on Song, he has done well but I don’t want my next season depending on him.

  75. rico01 says:

    ave – cheeky ;)

  76. chaf says:

    Good evening.

    I don’t think we have a commanding CH. Gallas is clever but not courageous, that is someone we need. I think he could probably play alongside. Kolo doesn’t read the game well, but is good on recovery. He will lose that soon. I still think Goalie, CB, CM, and striker.

    New spine…..

  77. rico01 says:

    Just popped on to say night night, hope to have a bit more time tomorrow :(

  78. chaf says:

    Quote from Wenger in the Irish Times Online this morning.

    “the number of players available who make a difference is not as big as people imagine,” he said.

    Also said he will sell Adebayor to a top four club.

    He’s been on Avenell Road…

  79. rico01 says:

    Morning chaf and all…

    Sounds to me like Ade is offski :P

  80. chaf says:

    Yes, morning Rico

    Wenger said it looked like a deal was agreed last summer but the Milan president wanted Ronaldinho instead. They say we’re looking for Santa Cruz again.

    In the old days Arsenal didn’t say a word, they would just unveil a player, like with the Sol deal. Now its mass communications. No one has any secrets any more, how boring..

  81. rico01 says:

    Its the same for all clubs now chaf, and it is sad, and i miss that unexpected wonderful surprise from the days of our new players being unvieled – according to the paps, the dippers are buying nearly every player up for sale… they are going to go bust soon ;)

  82. rico01 says:

    I think though, as players get connected to us we can truly count them out – I think Arsene will buy 2/3 players with experience, but I think when he says he will stick to his guns and not make our club poor, I think he is saying to us, dont expect a ‘Big Name’ and the players he gets we will all know little about – I have to say, I dont mind that, if they have big hearts, big winning mentality, have a good footballing brain and able to show that all on the pitch week in week out and win us trophies I dont care who they are – or where they come from ;)

    I would love David Villa for example, but if he buys a guy I havent heard of, but scores as many goals, I will be happy…. :)

  83. JonJon says:

    morning…has anyone seen the wenger/shareholder meeting…

    has anyone heard the things he said????

    i wont tell you if you havent seen it because its on tonight at 9 on ATV

    but wengers lost the sodding plot….some of the things he said were ridiculous….

  84. rico01 says:

    Morning JJ, just been looking at a few comments re the meeting, have you seen it?

  85. chaf says:

    I’ve just seen some of the comments! If they are true, he has lost it a bit!!

  86. rico01 says:

    I think, I hope its got twisted by the press – I am going to watch it later – if it is how it has been reported, I think he is a bit silly – but some are saying he is just comparing the home and away fans – I am not so sure.

    Could be very hard times ahead :(

  87. chaf says:

    Lets face it, its time for the press to start to try and bring him down. They’ve bigged him up for ages.

    They will have it in them now and try and whip it up with all of us. They will read all the comments by supporters and the fire will be stoked.

    Six months ago I was worried what would happen post Wenger, but I’m sure this is not completely his fault. Like you say Rico, lets hear it from the horses mouth.

  88. JonJon says:

    when a manager critises his own fans its the beginning of the end……

    far enough some of the players have been heckled this season……but some of the performances have not been worthy of praise or applause….

    we the fans see a player such as ade pulling the clubs pants down right before their eyes they have every right to be upset….especially when the fans will be around longer than ade will….

    for wenger to blame the fans is unnacceptable…..

    and its patronising….the mans on thin ice….really thin…next season is make or break…he does it next season or he goes… thats if he aint fired in the summer…….

  89. rico01 says:

    JJ – Have you seen the actual meeting yet ?

  90. JonJon says:

    rico….not seen it….

    heard it….my cousin from london sent me the recording last night…..

    im waiting for tonight to see the mans face when he answers those questions….

    a mans face when talking tells more than just hearing the voice….

  91. rico01 says:

    JJ – thanks, I am off to set the sky+ to make sure i see it – you are spot-on about the face to the comment, the face says so very much

  92. rico01 says:

    Tomorrow is the day we gain a little respect, we are going to win 3-1, that score has to come right for me before the end of the season

    Rio is definately out,

    Almunia is also out and Arshavin is back after recovering from Flu…

  93. chaf says:

    I say 1-2 to us.

    But I must add that the other night I watched Manure win, some admiration came over me for the first time. They got it right. They might be in big debt, but they have a great team and play great football. Not so long ago it was the big two….

  94. chaf says:

    Also the big two

  95. London says:

    Jonjon

    I know Wenger was asked questions at the shareholders meeting but I still haven’t been able to see it or read a verbatim interview; do you have link of some kind?

    The only rumour I have heard is that Wenger suggested that the Arsenal away support was better than some of the home support, if this is what he said, then I for one couldn’t agree with him more.

  96. rico01 says:

    London – its on AFCTV tonight a 9pm

  97. avenell says:

    Morning all..

    London .. I think he is spot on..
    But on the flip side..

    He needs to give the fans something to cheer about.

    He needs to stop playing players out of position.

    He needs to take the FA cup seriously.

    The stadium has no ends and has lost all it’s atmosphere.

    The stewards don’t allow standing unless you are an away supporter.

    Arsenal have priced themselves out of the market for the working class fan to go every week.

    Arsenal chose to go down the corporate route.

  98. London says:

    Thanks Rico

  99. rico01 says:

    Afternoon ave ;)

  100. London says:

    Wenger’s comment strikes me as being as provocative as saying that grass is green – because – as we all know – grass is green. To state this fact is no more of a revelation than to say that the Arsenal away support is better than some of the home support. I accept that it is not easy to find a new topic for a blog every morning but trying to criticise Wenger for stating what is, after all, a very obvious fact smacks to me of sensationalist self promotion.

  101. avenell says:

    I think his point is..
    Arsenal have the best players.
    He has chosen those players.
    But the fans are making them bad players..

    The problem is they are not good enough, some not yet, some never..

  102. London says:

    Afternoon Ave

    I share all of those concerns but I think Wenger is only personally responsible for the first three.

    He needs to give the fans something to cheer about.

    I believe that Wenger is desperate to give himself something to cheer about let alone us. This brings us to an interesting juncture; I cannot see how any fan that does not believe this, and I accept that that is their right, can continue wanting Wenger as our manager. It is illogical to believe that Wenger does not want success and still want him as the manager.

    He needs to stop playing players out of position.

    Much of this accusation is down to injuries which I believe forced his hand far more than he would have liked. There are the obvious few experiments that went badly wrong: Song at right back springs to mind but It seems to me that for everyone that went wrong there was one that went well. Bendtner on the right wing seemed counter intuitive and yet it was very successful.

    He needs to take the FA cup seriously.

    I don’t agree, but this subject needs more explanation than just one or two sentences.

    Reading this back I could see how some people could interpret my tone as being dictatorial, maybe even rude but I do not accept this charge; I am passionate and I see nothing wrong with trying to be persuasive.

  103. London says:

    Ave re your 12:22 I think this is the danger of commenting (me) before seeing the interview.

  104. avenell says:

    I cannot disagree with your views on A..

    On point B .. there was no need to play Diaby on the left Nasri as the CM and push cesc in the hole when we had beaten Man U earlier in the season with Diaby in the hole etc..
    Why wait until a Champions League semi to try this experiment?
    We pay the third highest wage bill in the country, that should give us more cover than we have.. Our cover is just potential..

    On point C Half of the fans are getting on Wengers back now.. A FA cup would take the pressure off him and appease the fanbase..

  105. London says:

    We could go around in a huge circle on this one. The FA cup bit is interesting I don’t expect to find many people who agree but I have an idea for that….actually, now I remember, I had written a post with that included but forgot to save it….aahhhh. I’m sure it will come back though.

  106. rico01 says:

    London – your 12.38 comment – are you referring to Arsene Wenger ??

  107. London says:

    Ave I have just read you 12:22 again and I must admit that that is a view that had not crossed my mind.

  108. rico01 says:

    I think I will leave you two to it ….

  109. avenell says:

    On 12.22 It was just an opinion of what he may be thinking..

    Here is the best insight of last night I can find..
    http://www.arsenalinsider.com/?p=4788

  110. JonJon says:

    some of the comments will piss even you off london…

    put it that way….

    he offers an explanation to why he dropped AA for chelsea and its the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard a manager say in my entire life….

  111. avenell says:

    Rico.. It isn’t a closed shop.. your views are most welcome..

  112. avenell says:

    He dropped AA to get us used to losing semi finals..lol

  113. Big Raddy says:

    An FA Cup victory whilst satisfactory would have papered over the problems.

    I think that a poor end to he season will force AW to buy.

    We have been saying for 2 years that we need re-inforcing. I believe that it was only Villa’s reluctance to sell Barry that stopped us taking Alonso, he didn’t come, so AW was forced to play a much weakened midfield, particularly after the loss of Cesc. Add in the misinformation regarding Rosicky …..

    AW is no fool, he knew the problems going into the season, but what could he do? Should he have publicly stated the the team wasn’t good enough, just to appease the fans? Of course not. How would that have inspired his team? Should he criticise his players in public? No way. Should he say that buying Silvestre was a mistake? etc etc

    I didn’t hear anyone at Chelsea say that Shevchenko was a mistake. It takes a lack of class and respect to publicly attack your own team (Redknapp/Keegan etc)

    Hopefully this summer, AW will buy early and not get involved in last minute deals.

  114. JonJon says:

    the thing that annoys me ave is that we knew how we would play without AA….we spent the 1st 6 months of the season working that out….what was the reason we had to buy him for in the 1st place???

    then in a trophy we were most likely to win he drops the only player with flair and class who doesnt pass the ball sideways backwards or long ball it….

    why??? to see how we would do…. he has to be having a sodding laugh with that one….

  115. JonJon says:

    ave….you point about the corperate route is spot on…arsenal now treat their ‘fans’ as customers… yet they dont want us to act like customers….they want us to act like fans….its a case of do as i say and not what i do…. i made a comment the other day that wenger is losing touch with the fans and this meeting proves that….

    they want to have their cake and eat it but there has to be a happy medium….this team doesnt provide that…

    they cant charge the prices they do and put out a bargain bought side that gets out done every year and expect everyone to be over the moon about it….

    its like going to eat at one of gorden ramseys restauruants and being charged 200quid for a burned steak and then you have to eat it with plastic knife and fork….and excpect to be happy about it…

    defending ades performances and blaming the fans is bang out of order…ade raped this club and wenger takes his side over the thousands of thousands….

    fergie defends the club over the players….keane. stam, becks, ruud, they all abused the position at the club and fergie got rid because the club comes first….

    wenger defends the undefendable at puts the club 2nd over his precious players that treat the club like shit…

    wengers losing more and more fans every year…even the most die hard of wenger supporters will be surprised by his comments….

    hes losing the plot…and if it carries on he’ll lose his job….

  116. rico01 says:

    May I just throw a spanner in the works guys

    I haven’t seen the meeting and until I do, for me it is difficult to judge what and how things were said – The press are always on Arsene’s back, telling him what he should and shouldnt do.

    My theory is that there has never been any money available, and he was the one to take all the c**p on his shoulders – keeping it away from the board.

    One thing I am sure of is, if I were him, and I had been the one in his position, even though deep down I knew the truth, I wouldnt come out and tell the world and his friend that I was wrong. He has now said he has money, I dont recall him ever saying that before, but I may be wrong. Now he has made that bold statement, I am personally going to wait to see what he does this summer.

    Personally, on such a tight buget as I believe he has had for the last 3/4 seasons, I dont know many managers that could have kept a side in the top four..

    Here’s to a busy busy early transfer season for Arsenal..

  117. Big Raddy says:

    Reaction to AW’s comments upon the fans.

    The man is undoubtedly correct. The away fans make more noise, they support the team in a more positive way. Fact.

    How could anyone argue.

    The atmosphere at the Library is awful. Fact.

    The guys who sit behind me slag off every player until they score, and of course, “AW is a total c***.” These are the very people that get angry when AW questions the way they express their support, and I agree completely with him.

    Leaving the ground early is counter-productive. One waits two weeks to see a game, travels a long and often inconvenient journey, pays a lot of money – it is the highlight of the week. And then leave 10 minutes early? Why? To escape the rush?….. It’s madness. If you want to escape the rush, stay and have a beer at a local pub, have a burger, go shopping at Waitrose in Holloway Rd.

    The message given is that getting home 20 minutes early is more important than cheering your team on to the end.

    I am a mostly armchair supporter (though I keep my ST), and it embarrasses me to see an empty stadium.

    Another point. I recall (as a lad) that when opposition scored against us, the noise level rose. We willed our team on. Nowadays, there is a collective groan, followed by “get that useless c*** off”, “we are shit” etc etc.

    I blame Margaret Thatcher ……

  118. rico01 says:

    Hi Raddy

    Just one question from your last – what has Maggie got to do with it ?? ;) ;) :)

  119. Big Raddy says:

    She is responsible for everything Rico. Oh and my parents :-)

  120. rico01 says:

    Nice one Raddy :P

    That game against Manure, I even crept out early from the living room, switching the television off on the way :(

  121. avenell says:

    The thing is Arsenal don’t just have to keep the 30,000 that stay in there seats.. (I have never left a game early btw) happy..
    They took on this debt and stadium, they now need to keep and please the 30,000 who do get up and walk out early.. they wanted them, they rely on their money .. now they have to keep them happy..

    I agree with that Rico.. unless Arsene wanted to borrow more.. perhaps he should have re invested a bit more of what we did have into Arshavins and a bit less into the youth project..

  122. rico01 says:

    ave – but how much would Arshavin had been after the Euro’s ? 20-25M??

    Thats a lot of money for a 28 yr old, we didnt get anything like that for Henry, and he was one of the best strikers in the world – I dont know enough about the finances at the club, but when we had money, he certainly never used to be afraid to spend it.

  123. JonJon says:

    alonso is a perfect eg of that ave…

    a few million more and wenger wouldnt budge…and we lost out on a quality player with experience….

    yet we can afford to give cardiff 5 mil for ramsey????? who may never be quality and even if he is he is 5-6 years away…

    why didnt wenger use that 5mil to broker the alonso deal…???

  124. avenell says:

    I didn’t mean sign players at top money. There are a few more players about nearing the end of there contract than Arshavin who would be cheap..arsene has a great record in finding bargains and making money on them.
    We have no money for say two years yet we spent £5 million on Ramsey who won’t be no use for 3 years..
    When things were tight we need to pay for now because if we go into a free fall there may be no tomorrow..

  125. rico01 says:

    Fair shout re Ramsey, but I have a feeling about him, and in 3 years he could be worth 20M, you know, like Theo ;)

    I am just as disapointed we pay silly wages to very average players…

  126. rico01 says:

    I think we got Ramsey before the Barry saga carried on and on and on and on……..

  127. avenell says:

    But the further down the League we drop the less money comes in.. If we win the FA cup we get shown around the world more money comes in..
    Then we could buy £20 million pound players.

    If we drop out the top 4 we cannot substain our debts and we could drop like Leeds..
    As Jonjon says paying an extra £2 million for Alonso and we win things and finish higher up the League he would have paid for himself 10x over..
    I cannot see it in ramsey I’m afraid.. :(

  128. JonJon says:

    diaby cost 2mil denilson 4mil ramsey 5…

    thats 11mil

    that would buy another nasri or another dudu…and i know who id rather have…

    ive nothing against buying 21-22 year olds if they have been playing well for their clubs and are showing talent and ripping their leagues apart…but buying 17-18 year olds who are untested at any level and trying to develop them is a dangerous game…especially when funds are short…

    if we had 20mil id rather see two 10mil quality signings who are ready to play now than see 4 5mil kids who havent hardly had a kick at their previous clubs and the latter is what we have been doing for the last few years….

  129. London says:

    Jonjon there seems to be two views on the Alonso deal: the one that you stated that essentially Wenger/the club would not go the extra couple of mil to secure his signature. Then there is mine and I notice I share it with, amongst others, Raddy who believe that that deal was dependant on Barry leaving Villa and going to Liverpool, that didn’t happen and so the deal fell through. At this point Liverpool no longer wanted to sell him; it was no longer a money thing, so I don’t understand how you think we could have signed him?

    I think since my last comment at 1:20 there are some of the best comments I have ever read on this site or any other site for that matter. There is a middle ground a place where people can criticise Wenger when things seem to go wrong and a place where he can be complimented when things go right. Just a thought.

  130. avenell says:

    I think both you and Jonjon are right.. Barry wouldn’t go to Liverpool coz Villa wanted £2 million more.. but we held the keys.. we could have upped our offer for Alonso..

  131. London says:

    Interesting

  132. London says:

    Actually, if that was the case it is bloody annoying.

  133. avenell says:

    If we signed him and kept for one year we could have sold him at a profit..

  134. JonJon says:

    ave im with that view and always have been

    the barry deal depended on alonso….if pool would of got what they wanted for alonso they would of afforded barry…

    we waited til the last minute and offered them peanuts…why would they accept when it gave them no chance to sign barry????

  135. avenell says:

    What pisses me off he will pay that £2 million on a youngster who we will never see until he signs a loan for Wigan..
    I bet we paid Bitch slap £10,000 a week that’s Half a Mill down the swannie..
    So we can let him go for free this summer..

  136. JonJon says:

    thats exctley whats wrong with the youth policy…

    if it pays off then great…but 75% of the time it doesnt and we end up wasting the kitty we do have…

    apart from clichy and cesc…none of the current side have come through the ranks and proved they are worthy of what we pay them…

    diaby song and denilson must be on at least 20k a week…

    id rather have one quality player on 60k…. (flamini??)

  137. London says:

    Or it is a story put out by the dippers to appease their fans after failing to get Barry.

    Liverpool board meeting.

    The Barry deal has gone pear shaped, what are we going to say? I know, let’s blame Arsenal, yeah, that’s a good idea.

    I don’t know what to believe about this anymore.

  138. JonJon says:

    if parry wouldnt of signed keane they would of been able to afford barry without selling alonso…

    but keane was signed without rafas consent….thats why rafa put a new contract on hold until parry resigned and keane was sold…. thats what i think anyway….

    liverpool messed up just as much as we did last summer…

  139. JonJon says:

    but we still should of taken advantage of that and pulled out all the stops to get alonso

    17mil for a player of international and PL recognition…winning trophies at all levels of the game and one of the key players for his club and country and still only 26 is a steal and we missed out for the sake of a few quid…. a player of this calibre normally costs twice that….

    dont forget we almost did the same with AA…

  140. avenell says:

    Most of the talk was from Aston Villa.. It was something like we value Barry at £18 million .. Liverpool need to up the bid.. or he stays..
    Oh look we have played him in the Uefa cup qualifier now.. hurry up..

  141. JonJon says:

    that was it ave…villa made the call…barry was available for 18 mil…..

    benitez said he’d let alonso leave….

    the deal was there to be done for ages but we waited until the last minute and expected liverpool to say ok here you are, we cant get barry anymore but you take alonso anyway…

  142. avenell says:

    Half the problems was Ken Friar was dealing with it.. he still thinks we can buy a quality midfielder for £220,000 (Alan Ball)..
    It was suggested he nearly tossed up the Arshavin deal until Gazidis flew out to Russia to save it..

  143. JonJon says:

    that was the difference wasnt it….re the alonso and AA deals… we had a competent man in charge who knew waht he was doing….

    i just pray that this summer we dont see the same mistakes….and we have someone in Gazidis who will take us forward…

  144. JonJon says:

    im just reading that anelka says he still loves us…hahaha would anyone take him back??

  145. Big Raddy says:

    Yes

  146. London says:

    Do you believe that Villa were happy to sell Barry? I am not convinced and because of that they were not exactly oiling the tracks to enable the deal to go through smoothly.

  147. Big Raddy says:

    Until I get proof to the contrary, I refuse to believe AW would pull out a deal for such a fine player over a measly few bob, particularly after the Euro’s.

    I remain convinced that AV pulled the plug.

    But whatever the truth, Alonso didn’t arrive, the Dippers and he had a fine season, and they will add to their squad in summer. If we want to compete, AW has to get his cheque book out.

  148. London says:

    Ken Friar didn’t decide the maximum amount that the club were prepared to pay for Alonso so blaming him seems a bit harsh. The same is true of Wenger so accusations that he didn’t want to spend the money etc are even more far fetched.
    I also do not feel comfortable with the accusation that Friar almost messed up the Arshavin deal; that felt more like him lending his 30 years experience to Gazidis as a guiding hand as he took over the transfer responsibility.
    It is easy to forget that Ken Friar had retired but was asked to come back to give a hand after Dein was sacked.

  149. London says:

    I agree 100% Big Raddy

  150. London says:

    £220,000 for Alan Ball was a big deal at the time. This must have been handled by Fryer and there are so many other ground breaking deals that he must have been involved in. This man knew about big transfers; the Alonso deal would have been meat and potatoes to him. No, he did not decide the budget; therefore I don’t accept he was to blame.
    I was very young when Alan Ball arrived it seemed impossible that he would move from Everton to Arsenal. It was so strange seeing him in an Arsenal shirt for the first time.

  151. Big Raddy says:

    Bally was the first player I can remember to wear white boots.

    Do you recall the first games of Charlie Nicholas? So much expectancy, and he was rubbish. Got better though, but never fulfilled his potential.

  152. Big Raddy says:

    Sorry …. appalling English. Perhaps I need to spend some time in good old Larndan Town.

  153. avenell says:

    Ken friar should not have been involved in the deals, it’s not his fault Arsenal should have had someone else in place when Dein left.. When Friar was doing deals agents were only just coming in, he came from a different era..
    I remember going to Charlie’s first game against Luton .. I had the hangover from hell and nearly chucked up when the train passed Bayford as it stunk like a sewage works lol.

  154. chaf says:

    Talking of transfers whose idea was it to buy the fox in the box, that would keep the french on the bench?

  155. avenell says:

    Hi Chaf..

    C’mon London even you have to find this funny lol..

    http://goonertalk.com/2009/05/15/emmanuel-adebayor-for-sale-on-ebay/

  156. London says:

    I know I must seem like I take everything really, really seriously but………………well, actually, I suppose I do, although, that was funny.

    I would be watching the Wenger interview right now but Mrs London has commandeered the telly.

    The fact that there is an annual opportunity for fans, albeit shareholders, to ask questions directly to Wenger speaks volumes of good about him. It would be far easier to decline the offer to be involved in the first place.

  157. JonJon says:

    the key points of the meeting that annoy me were…

    - the question involving AA and why we didnt play him…he says that chelsea are physically strong but he still dropped song too…

    - the fact he wants another two years with this team…isnt 4 years enough…if we dont do anything in those two years that makes it 6…then do we abandon the policy??? or does he want another 6??? its them words again….next season…next season… just be honest arsene…dont tell us at the start of the season that we are ready to win something…which he so clearly did at the start of this and to judge him in may….and then in may tell you tell the fans to judge you in another two years???? WTF

    - the negative attitude at the start of the season…was that anything to do with adebayor by any chance???? and the fact he raped the club….and also the fact we lost almost an entire midfield that took us four points from the title and had to look to the reserves to rebuild it and expect to do the same job????….the negativity came from within the dressing room…not from those around the club….

  158. chaf says:

    JJ.

    I feel I have to negate slightly. I thought AW dealt with the Q&A’s well. He feels as much as us. But it is his job. The blame ends with him. I think he has changed over the years and he is more defensive (unlike the teams) if he learns from this season, as I think he should more than any season past, then we are all kicking in the same direction.

    After seeing him on TV tonight I feel for him more than I have lately. I think it was said earlier to see past the words. I think I did tonight, lets hope he was suitably fired up for the future.

  159. chaf says:

    London

    You wuss. Mrs London ruling the waves. Get another telly..

  160. London says:

    Jonjon

    I, probably unsurprisingly, agree with Chaf, although I accept the justification of the team selection for the FA Cup was a bit weak, I think we read between the lines to mean “I got that one wrong”.

    Over all I thought Wenger came across well, an impassioned plea demonstrating to me that he feels as unhappy about things as we do and that he intends to do everything he can to put things right. I don’t really see what is wrong with asking to be judged in one or two year’s time.

    We arrive at that juncture again: if any Arsenal fan does not want to give him until the end of his contract which is in two year’s time then logically they should be asking for his resignation now. I respect any Arsenal fan’s right to do so but it seems to me that it really should now be a case of back him or sack him.

    He still has enough good will in the bank to make me want to continue to back him and statements like “I have money to spend and I will buy experience” go a long way to reassure me that I have made the right choice.

    I wanted to write here that we start on our new road to success today by beating the mancs but I fear the worst.

  161. London says:

    I have just remembered, I read something similar on another channel that someone feared the worst and someone else came back and said one word……………Arshavin.

  162. chaf says:

    Good morning

    I have only read the Guardians cover of the story, which, I think is pretty accurate. But it could look a little like AW is laying out rather a good reason to leave the club.

    He said the club is in a fantastic position, but he feels like ‘a murderer’ every day he comes in. He did admit he made mistakes, but also said it wasn’t bad to lose to Manure, he wouldn’t have said that five years ago.

    I can’t quite get to the root of it, but I think there was a strong ‘between the lines’ feel to his comments.

    As said and done, I’m still excited about watching AA today no matter what…

  163. London says:

    Morning Chaf

    But what do you guess that he was trying to say between the lines?

  164. chaf says:

    As I said, i can’t quite get to the root of it. I think he will always build himself a get out clause, for most things in his life.

    I think he was opening the way to leave if it got nasty. He hates losing, and usually has a good excuse or two when that happens, including team selection. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s the best thing ever to happen at Arsenal. But he doesn’t like being wrong… You can tell from the answers last night..

  165. chaf says:

    Add to that, I also think there have been things going on in the past, internally, money, etc that haven’t been shared with us simple folk. I look forward to the book, “The rise, and fall, and rise of Arsene Wenger” by Perry Groves.

  166. London says:

    Where are you watching the game Chaf?

  167. London says:

    I reckon the get out clause is the fact that he only has two years left on his contract. He has always honoured them but he knows that he is in a position to leave in two years, safe in the knowledge that he will be leaving the club in good shape. In the mean time my guess would be that if he wins something he will want to stay but if he doesn’t the board are going to have to beg him to and they probably will be unsuccessful.

  168. avenell says:

    Morning All..

    That wasn’t the Question and Answers session everyone was talking about last night.. That was a watered down version suitable for Arsenal TV..
    We waited all day so we could hear the truth what was said and they never showed it..
    Big Tone was good after it though, on fans forum.

  169. London says:

    Morning Ave

    I can’t believe I fell for it…edited for ATV…so obvious…what was I thinking. Do you know how all those non shareholders got to hear the unedited version.

  170. London says:

    I am feeling a bit more optimistic now and if some of the fans made Wenger squirm in the Q&A session then all the better. I am going for a 1-2 win.

  171. JonJon says:

    morning all….

    wengers had enough time and hes full of shit….last night was aload of spin….

    he can leave tomorrow for me….hes past his best…weve got some deadwood in this team and it starts with the manager….

    im off to the pub to watch the game…when we are three nil down at half time i need a bar next to me to help me through….

    3 years ago we were being told that the move to the emirates was to make us compete….3 years later we are being told the move to the stadium could of relegated us and we are lucky to be were we are…..

    last summer we were told to judge him in may and now we are being told to come back to him in two years….

    what aload of bollox and if anyone say they are not happy about it then they aint a real fan and that comes from the manager…. well wengers not a real mananger….hes a spin doctor…

  172. avenell says:

    I think most of it got reported in the Daily Mail then on a blog site..

  173. London says:

    Well, no one can ever say that this site doesn’t accomodate opposite views, lol, morning Jonjon.

  174. London says:

    I have just recieved this from one of my QPR mates

    “I have been saying this for ages now”…

    “If I was Wenger I would be looking at Madrid with rose tinted glasses now….if you all drive Wenger away you will only have yourselves to blame”

    IF he came to QPR, I would start a new religion!!!

  175. JonJon says:

    morning london/ave…

    im only here for a bit,in a rush of out in ten….

    im just not falling for it anymore….yes the man is intelligent but the man has lost touch with the fans….

    all that negativity rubbish for example..he practically blamed the fans but when you double your attendance you need to keep those fans happy….

    ive watched arsenal for a long time and highbury was never loud….people left early at highbury…

    people leave early all around the country and other clubs boo there players too…liverpool and chelsea are egs…

    the point is that hes directing the blame to other areas….if he wants the fans to stay happy then he has to put together a team to accomodate that……

    at the minute hes all mouth and no action and its been that way 4 years….and he wants 2 more????? nah not for me….if i have to watch diaby and ade and eboue for two more years ill go insane…

  176. avenell says:

    The good news is Adebayor has stayed at home.. :)

    Morning jonjon..

  177. London says:

    I’m thinking about taking up class A drugs to get through it.

  178. JonJon says:

    hahahahaha guys

    listen..im off out so i’ll leave u lot to dissect my comments and i expect a barrage of abuse when i get back ;)

    enjoy the game….i’ll be too drunk to see it probably ;)

  179. avenell says:

    If Wenger doesn’t rate the FA cup why does he keep saying we reached the semi final of it is an acheivement?

  180. peachesgooner says:

    Arsenal: Song, Toure, Nasri, Arshavin, Van Persie, Fabianski, Vela, Walcott, Eboue, Sagna, Bendtner, Denilson, Diaby, Mannone, Ramsey, Fabregas, Gibbs, Silvestre

    Sorry, I thought it was the team but its only the squad

  181. peachesgooner says:

    oops, sorry, wrong site :)

  182. London says:

    That’s funny Peaches :lol:

  183. London says:

    Give me time and I will give you an in depth answer ;)

  184. London says:

    Can anyone tell me why Adebayor didn’t travel?

    Because he is a lazy cnut. No, I mean really, why didn’t he travel.

  185. avenell says:

    Alleged slight groin strain..

  186. rico01 says:

    Dont know if you are around Ave, but if you are – may I put a little question to you

    Have you been on ACLF recently ?? :(

  187. avenell says:

    No in short..

    Hi Rico..

  188. rico01 says:

    Evening ave – shame we didnt nick a win, but glad the dippers didnt win the epl, they will now end up with nowt :)

    How are you doing ??

  189. avenell says:

    I’m okay thanks.. Your up late!..
    I was a bit pee’d off today with the game.. But the dippers not winning cheers me up a bit.. Thanks.
    Are you about tomorrow?

  190. rico01 says:

    Sure am about ave, but if the weather is good, will be in and out of the garden, have to get the grass cut – well, i will be watching of course :(

    Up late ave, only because we are watching the eurovision song contest – its been on pause for ages and just catching up now, just got to the UK entry – we love it, even without Sir Terry but old Graham Norton isnt doing too bad ;) :)

  191. rico01 says:

    Ave – try and forget the game, the season is over. we need to sign off in style against stoke – hope that manure thrash hull, WBA win their last two games and Newcastle and Boro lose theirs – then I will be happy, Boro, N’castle and Hull down and WBA survive :P

    Get Tuchay (spelling) from ‘Boro ;)

  192. rico01 says:

    Off now ave, catch you tomorrow – have a good night ;)

  193. avenell says:

    The best thing that happened today was the Ade interview on the Beeb.. good I’m glad you know, now piss off haha..

  194. Benwell says:

    We are OK for strikers lets get the foundations right and we can flourish, otherwise it all comes tumbling down!!

  195. avenell says:

    Hi Mr Benwell.. I’m off to bed mate, your in charge of the site.. :)

  196. Big Raddy says:

    I have a different view of yesterdays game.

    All we were asking for was that we played with heart and pride. We got a performance that deserved three points.

    I was concerned that given the occasion MU would go to town, instead we took control early, stayed calm and gave them no space to play.

    I was very pleased to see us play higher up the pitch, plus Sagna had Rooney tracking back for most of the game, thereby reducing their threat. Ronaldo didn’t seem interested after he got kicked by Cesc (?). It should be noted that Fabianski didn’t make a save. Song was excellent in his new role, which is good and bad – I hope AW doesn’t think he has his new CB.

    Up front … we showed very little, but MU have a superb defence. Had Cesc buried his chance, OT would have been silenced.

    One could argue that MU didn’t try, but I would argue that SAF would never allow that to happen – we just played well.

  197. London says:

    Good read BR, I agree with your view as usual. I think the interesting discussion would what Wenger sees when he says that we are far closer than people realise.

    Ave, I have nothing.

  198. chaf says:

    Good morning

    I was generally pleased with the game. Man U reverted to playing like 90% of the league when they play against us. They didn’t want to lose..

    I thought RVP just doesn’t want it so much now. He was much better when he cared.

    The problem with playing so far up the pitch is it gets really crowded, and players like Vela and Dudu are smarter in those situations. We had no hot knives playing yesterday to cut through.

    We didn’t let ourselves down yesterday, but they were there for the taking….

  199. rico01 says:

    Morning all

  200. avenell says:

    Morning Rico and all.
    I have to fit a clutch in the Focus today so I will be in and out..
    I’ll get some ideas together..

  201. Big Raddy says:

    True Chaf about the crowded pitch, it requires a “fox in the box”.

    It was a strange decision to play RvP as a lone striker. But it allowed us to play the 5 man midfield which worked. And we have seen that a tall target man doesn’t work against MU.

    As to AW’s assessment; that we are not far away from MU’s standard. It may be true, but 18 points say AW is wrong

  202. London says:

    The 18 points seem to be made up of Ronaldo and Rooney. If Ronaldo goes to Madrid and Rooney gets injured perhaps this is what he means by not being so far away.

  203. avenell says:

    If Ronnie goes to Madrid.. they will buy Ribery another hard working player who tracks back and defends from the front..

  204. chaf says:

    But not as dangerous as Ronaldo, Ave.

    But we’ve got our own transfers to worry about. I must say, in the last few years I think we’ve played for CL status. Now we have to step it up for the club’s sake. Actually for f**ks sake…

    Someone on the radio mentioned “the big three” earlier today, automatically I thought, its a spud trying to wind me up, but it wasn’t. I hope it’s not a thing of the future….

  205. JonJon says:

    the big three is the way its going chaf…especially the way the CL format is now setup……

    4th place is scraping into europe….the top three should be now the minimum requirement…..

    the way the PL is evolving..not only can you predict who the top 4 will be…but you can now predict the top 6….we seem to be falling behind the big three and we are beginning to find ourselves caught in that bracket of just being the best of the rest…..along with villa and everton….

  206. London says:

    This will change; the stadium will start giving us an edge and we will move out of second gear, which we have been forced to travel in because of the financial uncertainty of moving stadiums, to third gear and we will power ahead once again.

  207. Big Raddy says:

    Hope you are right London.

    F*ck it, I am sure you are right. Put a couple of £20m players in this team and we are def. up with the Dippers and the Chavs.

  208. London says:

    Do you think that Liverpool will suffer if they tried to move stadiums? Their owners aren’t even on talking terms, that is a car crash waiting to happen and talking of car crashes Chelsea’s very existence hangs on one man. If Abramovich had an accident ala Mathew Harding that club would go into free fall.

    If the mancs suffered the amount of injuries that we did I doubt they would have done half as well. Gallas = Ferdinand, Rosicky = Rooney, Eduardo = Tevez.
    If they had lost these key players for the best part or in some cases all of the season we would have pissed on them in the CL.

  209. London says:

    When Wenger says we are not far behind I agree with him, we are not.

  210. London says:

    Well, nothing that a new stadium, a car accident and a few injuries won’t fix anyway ;)

  211. JonJon says:

    i dont feel we would of done though london….i feel too much is made of the injury thing…..

    if manure lose rio…they still have vidic

    if they lose rooney and tevez they still got ronaldo and berbatov….

    all it takes is for us to lose a couple and we have nobody who can step up…..

    if we lose half our midfeild we have to rely on denilson and song….manure just put scholes and giggs in…..the difference in class is immence….

    20 points difference and two CL semi drubbings dont lie…..injuries or no injuries….

  212. London says:

    Jonjon

    I wouldn’t try and disagree with the main point that you are making and perhaps I’m clutching at straws but Vidic without Ferdinand is like Toure without Gallas….the result is a loss with huge consequences.

    I firmly believe that Wenger will strengthen, with Gazidis in place things are going to change.

  213. JonJon says:

    i hope so mate….

    although i agree that chelsea and liverpool are bound to hit a downward spiral in the next few years..to rely on that to get our place back in the top two is asking a lot…it may never happen…we need to start concentrating on now and building a team now like the rest do rather than waiting for something that may never happen…..

    i just hope kreonke says to wenger draw up a list of players(not kids or crocks) and give it to ivan and dont worry about the cost…the finances are not yours to worry about anymore….

  214. avenell says:

    You either have to pay more wages for quality players to sit on the bench or wait 5 years before the players we are investing in to be good enough..

    Then they will leave for first team football anyway..

  215. London says:

    I like the list idea

  216. Benwell says:

    Manure didn’t know whether to twist or stick yesterday, once we weathered the initial onslaught we were in charge for large parts of the game. How we ended up with 5 yellows is a mystery so on the basis tha the ref was a homer, we did well but they did enough for their objectives, we were only there to try and spoil the party but we played pretty well.

    Lets get a few good seasoned pros to compliment the youngsters and have a real go, otherwise we are doomed!

  217. rico01 says:

    Morning all – quiet days

  218. Big Raddy says:

    Morning Rico

    Just made the mistake of reading some blogs I haven’t visited before. There really are some people with ‘agendas’ out there! The level of ignorance and vitriol towards fellow gooners is alarming.

    The biggest disappointment of the weekend was the defeat of Newcastle. I really, really want Hull to go down.

  219. rico01 says:

    Hi Raddy – i understand where you are coming from, its not nice to read :(

    Hull hopefully still will go down, they have Manure on Sunday ;)

  220. London says:

    Morning folks

    There isn’t much about. I cannot take this Wenger- Real Madrid story seriously. I read the transcript, the journalist tried to trip Wenger up by saying have you been approached by Florentino Perez about the job at Real Madrid to which Wenger said no, which led exactly where the journalist wanted to be and asked would you be interested in the job, Wenger is too smart to say no which would risk offending Perez so he cleverly sidestepped it and said which manager would not want to be called by Florentino Perez. If you think it has gone mad here with people speculating that Wenger could leave, you should see what is happening in the Spanish press….absolute tosh.

  221. rico01 says:

    Hi London – its old news, the paps are digging deep and thats the best they can come up with

  222. rico01 says:

    Its very quiet here :(

  223. rico01 says:

    Very very quiet :(

  224. rico01 says:

    Wenger: It was important for our pride
    Dear Supporter,

    I believe we played with a lot of heart and desire at Old Trafford on Saturday.

    When we played Manchester United in the Champions League I think we were inhibited a bit by the occasion – it was too big perhaps – and in the second leg we had no chance to play the game. On Saturday we showed we have the quality and we played with a lot of authority on the pitch.

    Man United like to play on the counter-attack and I felt we were much sharper on winning the ball back but I regret that we couldn’t score the goal that would have livened the game up – it would have forced them to come out. In the last 20 minutes they made a change to play for a 0-0 with Park coming on for Tevez.

    We saw Man United celebrating and hopefully that will inspire us to emulate them. The quality is there as well and you saw that on Saturday. At the moment my team doesn’t get the credit it deserves and it is down to us to show the same consistency. It is not a victory today but it was very important for our pride.

    Deep down you want to be out there celebrating. They were the better team this year and congratulations to them. As for Sir Alex Ferguson, his is an exceptional achievement and I say congratulations to him. It is fantastic what his team have done this year. The overall achievement is remarkable.

    Let us make sure the celebrations are on our side next year. In sport things can change quickly and what we have shown is that we have the quality to be up there. We have to keep the belief and work very hard.

    My team have learned a lot and we were not far. Since November we have lost just one game. We were close in the Champions League and the FA Cup, and were remarkably consistent.

    Thanks for your support.

    Arsène Wenger

    Where are you Ave :(

  225. avenell says:

    New Post lol..

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